collingwood's poor recruiting?

[rick James]

It worries me.

Melbourne have one of the best in the business at the helm of our list in Craig Cameron. Many other clubs have proven to have consistent recruitment managers that appear to stick to particular criteria or procedure when it comes to both drafting talent and developing rookies or late picks etc

But Collingwood can't appear to get past father/son picks and reputation. Now this may be something to do with the picks themselves, but I refuse to beleive all of these picks ahve been bad choices.

Many in the AFL fraternity beleive it could actually be due to the way in whcih Collingwood treat their draftees that has an adverse effect on their development.

There is a common complaint that collingwood both overrate their youngsters, and don't make them work hard enough to get a spot. For example, Brayden Shaw is meant to be fighting for a psot on any other clubs list at the moment, but own't try, won't run, won't lift his head at pre-season training. all sings that his ego was pumped up too much by collingwood, and that physically they didn't having work hard enough.

Will this result in Collingwood attempting to poach recruiters and list managers who actually know how to develop young talent? For too long Collingwood have relied on recycling past greats or overpaying poached megastars.

That can only take you so far.

 

[Bloodz]

Collingwood went to 2 grand finals and almost beat the Lions in their prime... how bad could the recruiting or list management have been?

 

[White Czar]

Hurn @ 5

 

[Bloodz]

Hurn @ 5

Everyone overlooked Hurn, he was like the fat chick at a dance

 

[Silvagnis]

I'm grateful for Collingwood's recruiting because Carlton fans will never tire of hearing - "Murphy to KENNEDY!"

 

[loki04]

except he isn't fat and he's more like the pregnant hot chick that could go either way

 

[goalpie]

I'm greatfull for Collingwood's recruiting because Carlton fans will never tire of hearing - "Murphy to KENNEDY!"

What happens if Murphy gets hit by a car and Kennedy gets knee reconstruction every year.

 

[morgoth]

I assume other teams are going to leave Kennedy on his own. He has the mobility of a super-tanker. He will inherit the Lounder mantle.

 

[ant555]

I'm greatfull for Collingwood's recruiting because Carlton fans will never tire of hearing - "Murphy to KENNEDY!"

And what happens if Murphy ends up not being that good ,just because he went at no1 it doesnt guarantee he will end up being a star . The best midfielder in a draft that didnt have a stand out midfielder.

 

[White Czar]

I assume other teams are going to leave Kennedy on his own. He has the mobility of a super-tanker. He will inherit the Lounder mantle.

Really? Not the most agile lad?

And what happens if Murphy ends up not being that good ,just because he went at no1 it doesnt guarantee he will end up being a star . The best midfielder in a draft that didnt have a stand out midfielder.

Correct. Pretty even draft by all accounts. Murphy looks the good but could be a Goddard, or a Cooney.

Many player/s could be the standout/s. Apparently Essendon had Ryder. The kid Richmond picked up at 8 was rated '#1' by one club.

 

[Stan.]

Havent u people heard about kennedy?

He's the new KENNY MCGREGOR. YAY kenny u star.

 

[morgoth]

Well Czar its about as valid as being critical of our draft picks. Anyone can bag a kid who has not played a game, if ours are fair game then so are Carltons and anyone else. I have ********ing had enough of the time lords who use their tardis to go forward 3 years and see how it has all worked out.

 

[catta29]

Everyone overlooked Hurn, he was like the fat chick at a dance

Hurn reminds me of Luke Shackleton, solidly built so stood out at junior football but little scope for improvement.

 

[morgoth]

And one other thing 'Rick'.

Melbourne recruit so well, where the flags, where are the GF appearences? No where to be seen so yeah you are on fire.

Despite getting priority picks every second year you still don't have a back-line worth ******** and are as soft as butter. Keep up the propaganda.

 

[rick James]

And one other thing 'Rick'.

Melbourne recruit so well, where the flags, where are the GF appearences? No where to be seen so yeah you are on fire.

Despite getting priority picks every second year you still don't have a back-line worth ******** and are as soft as butter. Keep up the propaganda.

lol@priority picks every second year.

Was that last year, when we played finals? Or the year before.... when we played finals?

Since the PP system was put into place, Melbourne have fared much better than collingwood, but that isn't hte point. There was already established players carried over into the current system. holla atcha boi in 5 years

 

[White Czar]

Hurn reminds me of Luke Shackleton, solidly built so stood out at junior football but little scope for improvement.

Looks like a Lewis/Hodge type to me.

I would have thought would have been a good pick up for Collingwood @ 5.

 

[FIGJAM]

It worries me.

Really??

Melbourne have one of the best in the business at the helm of our list in Craig Cameron. Many other clubs have proven to have consistent recruitment managers that appear to stick to particular criteria or procedure when it comes to both drafting talent and developing rookies or late picks etc

It's Derek Hine's second draft on the job. How have you established a trend?

But Collingwood can't appear to get past father/son picks and reputation.

Hine has bucked reputation two years running. No-one tipped Thomas or Pendlbury to go top 5. Rusling was a surprise at 23, even though Burgatron caught wind of it.

Many in the AFL fraternity beleive it could actually be due to the way in whcih Collingwood treat their draftees that has an adverse effect on their development.

Would this explain why we've lured Alan Richardson back to the club as development manager?

There is a common complaint that collingwood both overrate their youngsters, and don't make them work hard enough to get a spot. For example, Brayden Shaw is meant to be fighting for a psot on any other clubs list at the moment, but own't try, won't run, won't lift his head at pre-season training. all sings that his ego was pumped up too much by collingwood, and that physically they didn't having work hard enough.

Brayden Shaw looked fantastic when he was playing for the Knights and Vic Metro. The trouble was, that he simply isn't the right body type for modern AFL football. Neat players who aren't tough enough inside and are too slow and short for the outside (this trend ended up killing your last Brownlow medalist's career). He also has the tank of a small grapefuit.

He didn't work hard enough with us. That wasn't our fault. He chose his path and copped his due reward. Any ego present might stem from being the son of a 300+ game Premiership legend...ever though about that Rick?

Will this result in Collingwood attempting to poach recruiters and list managers who actually know how to develop young talent?

Can you please name one recruiter who has much to do with player development after the kid is drafted. I heard interviews on Saturday with a number of coaches saying that they don't even see their recruiters until October!

Let Hine do his job. If we're still ******** in 3 years, then pull up the thread again. Until then, I wish I had the rights to four images, so I could give this thread get's four thumbs down!!

 

[Coin_Toss]

Hurn @ 5

Little chance of improvement left in Hurn.

Pendlebury has atleast got improvement in him. This was Pendlebury's first proper year of footbll, and we all know after your first year you can only get better.

 

[bucksisbest]

My major concern is that the thread starter seems to be serious.

 

[White Czar]

Little chance of improvement left in Hurn.

They said the (exact) same thing about Jorden Lewis last year.

I'd love him (either Hurn or Lewis ) at Punt Road.

 

[Leg_Spinning_Sensation]

QUOTE White_czarCorrect. Pretty even draft by all accounts. Murphy looks the good but could be a Goddard, or a Cooney. End Quote

Cooney i must inform you is an absolute gun and i don't know how you can say he hasn't in just 2 years of footy been an absolute young gun. Goddard true but Cooney is and will be a class above.

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

I'm greatfull for Collingwood's recruiting because Carlton fans will never tire of hearing - "Murphy to KENNEDY!"

Nah, Kennedy was too slow on the lead and it was spoiled

 

[Coin_Toss]

Was that last year, when we played finals? Or the year before.... when we played finals?

Yes, you played finals football. But Melbourne were unsuccessful in the finals, not once... but twice. Do you reward mediocrity by keeping Neale Daniher as coach for so long? Because he is one stinker of a coach.

If you think Collingwood have problems, try looking at the problems Melbourne have.

 

[White Czar]

QUOTE White_czarCorrect. Pretty even draft by all accounts. Murphy looks the good but could be a Goddard, or a Cooney. End Quote

Cooney i must inform you is an absolute gun and i don't know how you can say he hasn't in just 2 years of footy been an absolute young gun. Goddard true but Cooney is and will be a class above.

I know Cooney is a gun. Thank you professior no shyte. Murphey could turn out a good footballer - Cooney, or a handy footballer - Goddard.

In such an even draft without a Cooney standout type its hard to say at this early stage who is going to come good. Many clubs had top player in the top 10/5 even the top 3 at very different rankings. Again - to give an example Essendon claim they would have taken Kennedy @ 7. Another club had Oakley-Nicholls first.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Havent u people heard about kennedy?

He's the new KENNY MCGREGOR. YAY kenny u star.

don't diss Kenny

Kenny >>>>>> any 2 of collingwoods KPP