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Finally we are on top of the ladder in a positive way. Most accurate team kicking for goal

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ClubAccuracy
North Melbourne58%
Geelong Cats56%
GWS GIANTS56%
Sydney Swans54%
Western Bulldogs52%
Carlton51%
Essendon51%
Gold Coast SUNS51%
Melbourne51%
Adelaide Crows48%
Fremantle48%
Collingwood48%
Richmond47%
St Kilda46%
West Coast Eagles46%
Hawthorn44%
Port Adelaide44%
Brisbane Lions43
 
Kanga Glory said:
Finally we are on top of the ladder in a positive way. Most accurate team kicking for goal

Shot at Goal Accuracy Ladder​

ClubAccuracy
North Melbourne58%
Geelong Cats56%
GWS GIANTS56%
Sydney Swans54%
Western Bulldogs52%
Carlton51%
Essendon51%
Gold Coast SUNS51%
Melbourne51%
Adelaide Crows48%
Fremantle48%
Collingwood48%
Richmond47%
St Kilda46%
West Coast Eagles46%
Hawthorn44%
Port Adelaide44%
Brisbane Lions43
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That’s a bad thing. Best kicks for goal
and the worst side by miles. Although Larkey bumps up our average up a bit.
 
SonofSamsquanch said:
So did I. Again, nobody responded.

But mention Jen and Sonja...


But I agree that not all critical posts are misogynistic. The trouble is, there are always a few who see an opportunity to go in on that angle if they see that somebody else opened the door just a little...
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Yeah true.
 

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AFL sensationally steps in and blocks Wayne Carey from gaining legend status​

AFL boss Andrew Dillon personally rang Wayne Carey on Friday to express concern about him being elevated to legend status in the NSW Hall of Fame amid a league-wide domestic violence campaign.

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May 3, 2024 - 3:59PM
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THE AFL has sensationally stepped in to block Wayne Carey of being elevated to legend status in the NSW Hall of Fame.
AFL CEO Andrew Dillon personally rang Carey on Friday morning to express the league’s concern about the induction, amid a league-wide domestic violence campaign to start this weekend.
However Carey, who was inducted into the AFL Hall of Fame in 2010, will still be among a group of 100 other former footballers to be inducted into the inaugural NSW Hall of Fame at a gala dinner on Friday night.
The Wagga Wagga-born North Melbourne champion has a long history of domestic violence allegations and assault convictions.
One of Carey’s biggest scandals was his affair with a teammate’s wife, but the more insidious controversies surrounded his treatment of past partners. Picture: Getty Images

One of Carey’s biggest scandals was his affair with a teammate’s wife, but the more insidious controversies surrounded his treatment of past partners. Picture: Getty Images
The Herald Sun on Friday reported Carey was to be elevated into the NSW Hall of Fame, prompting the league to move swiftly.
In a statement released to the Herald Sun, Dillon stated he had blocked the NSW Hall of Fame from elevating Carey to legend status after a crisis meeting was held after the league was informed of the decision on Thursday.
Dillon then rang Carey on Friday morning to tell him he would be blocked from being elevated to legend status.
“The AFL acknowledge the decision by a committee of NSW football industry people to recognise Wayne Carey’s contribution on the football field as part of 100 inaugural inductees in the NSW Hall of Fame,” Dillon said in a statement to the Herald Sun.
“His contribution on the field is also why he was recognised in the AFL Hall of Fame in 2010.
“Yesterday afternoon the AFL Executive were alerted to the decision by the NSW Hall of Fame Committee for Carey to be elevated to Legend status.
“We didn’t think it was the right decision.
Carey flew to Sydney from his Melbourne base on Friday with on again off again girlfriend and mother of his third child, Jessica Paulke to attend the black tie event.
But on the strong advice of Dillon, the former North Melbourne and Adelaide Football Club spearhead confirmed he would not attend.
“I called Wayne Carey earlier this morning to inform him of this and he agreed that being made a Legend would take away from the event and the important focus on the national response to the issue of gender-based violence against women.
“He also agreed the focus should be on the inaugural inductees and the nine legends of NSW Football that will be announced tonight,” Dillon said.
Wayne Carey plays for North Melbourne in 2001.

Wayne Carey plays for North Melbourne in 2001.
This week the league launched a major campaign highlighting domestic violence against women, with AFL head Andrew Dillon saying they take a zero tolerance attitude.
Ahead of the start of each Round 8 match, players, senior coaches and umpires are forming a circle in the centre of the ground to make a silent tribute to women who have lost their lives to gender-based violence.
Head of AFL NSW/ACT Tiffany Robertson announced at the start of March that the region’s star players and football luminaries including Carey would be recognised in the inaugural NSW Australian Football Hall of Fame.
It’s understood the AFL are reconsidering the way to improve the Hall of Fame induction process and criteria so these sorts of issues don’t get raised again.
In the HOF rules around eligibility, the charter says the committee may consider “a candidate’s individual record, ability, integrity, sportsmanship and character”.
“The number of football games played, coached or umpired or the years of service provided shall only be a consideration and shall not be determinative in assessing a candidate’s eligibility.
“Candidates shall be judged on the basis of their overall contribution to Australian Football in NSW, as opposed to one specific aspect.”
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Wayne Carey exposed to family violence growing up (SAS)​


On SAS Australia, AFL star Wayne Carey discusses the path of domestic violence in his life.


In the NSW Australian Football Hall of Fame intake, 100 members and 10 legends will be inducted.
AFL legend Tony Lockett, Daniher brothers, Terry, Neale, Anthony and Chris and former Sydney captains Brett Kirk, Jarrad McVeigh and Kieren Jack will be among those acknowledged at the NSW Hall of Fame.
One of Carey’s biggest scandals was his affair with a teammate’s wife, but the more insidious controversies surrounded his treatment of past partners.
In 2007, Carey’s then-girlfriend Kate Nielson accused him of smashing a wine glass against her face, cutting her mouth and neck while they were in the United States.
Wayne Carey with Kate Neilson, who accused him of smashing a glass against her face.

Wayne Carey with Kate Neilson, who accused him of smashing a glass against her face.
Carey with North Melbourne chairman James Brayshaw in 2009 as he was inducted into the North Melbourne Hall of Fame.

Carey with North Melbourne chairman James Brayshaw in 2009 as he was inducted into the North Melbourne Hall of Fame.
US police arrested him, but not before Carey lashed out and kicked a female officer in the mouth. While Nielson chose not to press charges, Carey was convicted for assaulting the officer.
In 1997 he pleaded guilty to indecent assault after he grabbed a passing woman’s breast and allegedly told her “Why don’t you get a bigger pair of ****?”. The woman later filed a civil suit against him, which was settled out of court. There have been several other past and bleak allegations.
In 2010 Carey was inducted in the AFL Hall of Fame amid controversy.
Carey was eligible in both 2008 and 2009, but was overlooked both times, with his off-field misbehaviour outweighing his undisputed on-field greatness.

 
No problem with the call but they need to be consistent.

1) Thomas just strolling back into a club next season
2) Current legends/hall of fame members

Can't just use Carey as their token 'we're taking a stand' example when they've failed to apply this so regularly in the past.
 
apollo_creed said:
No problem with the call but they need to be consistent.

1) Thomas just strolling back into a club next season
2) Current legends/hall of fame members

Can't just use Carey as their token 'we're taking a stand' example when they've failed to apply this so regularly in the past.
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I really do believe that Thomas' return to the AFL is not going to be as simple as it appears to be on paper. There will be considerable scrutiny and pushback no matter where he tries to go. Will need a hell of a spin.
 
apollo_creed said:
No problem with the call but they need to be consistent.

1) Thomas just strolling back into a club next season
2) Current legends/hall of fame members

Can't just use Carey as their token 'we're taking a stand' example when they've failed to apply this so regularly in the past.
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Gary Abeltt Snr ...
 
Something of a silver lining, I guess: imagine if Thomas was still at North (even just suspended) during this spike in national attention on domestic violence? I was looking forward to some clean air after he was sacked, and while we are rightfully copping it from the media for our on-field performance, I must admit that I am sleeping quite soundly while other clubs' supporters sweat bricks and threaten their memberships over the possibility of their club picking up a repeat abuser.

The club did the right thing.
 

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Hojuman said:
Been alot of stories about the most celebrated Bulldogs player in history. Covered up ? Ignored ?

( never meet your heroes )
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I have no problem with Carey being held back from being a Legend of NSW or the AFL. Maybe there will be a right time in the future, when he can prove that he's made himself a better person. It doesn't take away from his on-field achievements.

But you're spot on about not meeting your heroes. The AFL is also terribly inconsistent on when to apply rules.

eg MRP won't suspend Brownlow favourites, or players in the finals. But a "no name" player will be made an example of in the preseason or Round 1.

MRP gives "good bloke" discount to a player, but no one else is eligible for it.

Barry Cable stripped from the AFL Hall of Fame. Let's see what they do for Carl Ditterich. And Gary Ablett Senior, and Carey's general "hall of fame membership"

What about Leigh Matthews being charged for an act on field?

And as you alude to, there are rumours about several other players in the AFL Hall of Fame.
 
Colby Cheer Squad said:
The woman who gave the hot shot to John Belushi served time. Different laws and jurisdictions of course, but I guess it helps if it's the famous person who lives and the not so famous person who dies.
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Flea and River Phoenix ...
 
gokangas said:

AFL sensationally steps in and blocks Wayne Carey from gaining legend status​

AFL boss Andrew Dillon personally rang Wayne Carey on Friday to express concern about him being elevated to legend status in the NSW Hall of Fame amid a league-wide domestic violence campaign.

3 min read
May 3, 2024 - 3:59PM
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THE AFL has sensationally stepped in to block Wayne Carey of being elevated to legend status in the NSW Hall of Fame.
AFL CEO Andrew Dillon personally rang Carey on Friday morning to express the league’s concern about the induction, amid a league-wide domestic violence campaign to start this weekend.
However Carey, who was inducted into the AFL Hall of Fame in 2010, will still be among a group of 100 other former footballers to be inducted into the inaugural NSW Hall of Fame at a gala dinner on Friday night.
The Wagga Wagga-born North Melbourne champion has a long history of domestic violence allegations and assault convictions.
One of Carey’s biggest scandals was his affair with a teammate’s wife, but the more insidious controversies surrounded his treatment of past partners. Picture: Getty Images

One of Carey’s biggest scandals was his affair with a teammate’s wife, but the more insidious controversies surrounded his treatment of past partners. Picture: Getty Images
The Herald Sun on Friday reported Carey was to be elevated into the NSW Hall of Fame, prompting the league to move swiftly.
In a statement released to the Herald Sun, Dillon stated he had blocked the NSW Hall of Fame from elevating Carey to legend status after a crisis meeting was held after the league was informed of the decision on Thursday.
Dillon then rang Carey on Friday morning to tell him he would be blocked from being elevated to legend status.
“The AFL acknowledge the decision by a committee of NSW football industry people to recognise Wayne Carey’s contribution on the football field as part of 100 inaugural inductees in the NSW Hall of Fame,” Dillon said in a statement to the Herald Sun.
“His contribution on the field is also why he was recognised in the AFL Hall of Fame in 2010.
“Yesterday afternoon the AFL Executive were alerted to the decision by the NSW Hall of Fame Committee for Carey to be elevated to Legend status.
“We didn’t think it was the right decision.
Carey flew to Sydney from his Melbourne base on Friday with on again off again girlfriend and mother of his third child, Jessica Paulke to attend the black tie event.
But on the strong advice of Dillon, the former North Melbourne and Adelaide Football Club spearhead confirmed he would not attend.
“I called Wayne Carey earlier this morning to inform him of this and he agreed that being made a Legend would take away from the event and the important focus on the national response to the issue of gender-based violence against women.
“He also agreed the focus should be on the inaugural inductees and the nine legends of NSW Football that will be announced tonight,” Dillon said.
Wayne Carey plays for North Melbourne in 2001.

Wayne Carey plays for North Melbourne in 2001.
This week the league launched a major campaign highlighting domestic violence against women, with AFL head Andrew Dillon saying they take a zero tolerance attitude.
Ahead of the start of each Round 8 match, players, senior coaches and umpires are forming a circle in the centre of the ground to make a silent tribute to women who have lost their lives to gender-based violence.
Head of AFL NSW/ACT Tiffany Robertson announced at the start of March that the region’s star players and football luminaries including Carey would be recognised in the inaugural NSW Australian Football Hall of Fame.
It’s understood the AFL are reconsidering the way to improve the Hall of Fame induction process and criteria so these sorts of issues don’t get raised again.
In the HOF rules around eligibility, the charter says the committee may consider “a candidate’s individual record, ability, integrity, sportsmanship and character”.
“The number of football games played, coached or umpired or the years of service provided shall only be a consideration and shall not be determinative in assessing a candidate’s eligibility.
“Candidates shall be judged on the basis of their overall contribution to Australian Football in NSW, as opposed to one specific aspect.”
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HERALDSUN.COM.AU00:54

Wayne Carey exposed to family violence growing up (SAS)​


On SAS Australia, AFL star Wayne Carey discusses the path of domestic violence in his life.


In the NSW Australian Football Hall of Fame intake, 100 members and 10 legends will be inducted.
AFL legend Tony Lockett, Daniher brothers, Terry, Neale, Anthony and Chris and former Sydney captains Brett Kirk, Jarrad McVeigh and Kieren Jack will be among those acknowledged at the NSW Hall of Fame.
One of Carey’s biggest scandals was his affair with a teammate’s wife, but the more insidious controversies surrounded his treatment of past partners.
In 2007, Carey’s then-girlfriend Kate Nielson accused him of smashing a wine glass against her face, cutting her mouth and neck while they were in the United States.
Wayne Carey with Kate Neilson, who accused him of smashing a glass against her face.

Wayne Carey with Kate Neilson, who accused him of smashing a glass against her face.
Carey with North Melbourne chairman James Brayshaw in 2009 as he was inducted into the North Melbourne Hall of Fame.

Carey with North Melbourne chairman James Brayshaw in 2009 as he was inducted into the North Melbourne Hall of Fame.
US police arrested him, but not before Carey lashed out and kicked a female officer in the mouth. While Nielson chose not to press charges, Carey was convicted for assaulting the officer.
In 1997 he pleaded guilty to indecent assault after he grabbed a passing woman’s breast and allegedly told her “Why don’t you get a bigger pair of ****?”. The woman later filed a civil suit against him, which was settled out of court. There have been several other past and bleak allegations.
In 2010 Carey was inducted in the AFL Hall of Fame amid controversy.
Carey was eligible in both 2008 and 2009, but was overlooked both times, with his off-field misbehaviour outweighing his undisputed on-field greatness.

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Carey is just used once again as the perennial scapegoat that be used as the fall guy for actionables the AFL can point out despite the fact he hasn’t been in the AFL league, or media for a while now.

And it seems like no amount of good intentions, actions or anything can enable people to forgive him.

Is what he did ****ed up and wrong? Absolutely, but so was what Thomas did, and he’s in the league now or at least will be again once his ban is up. The AFL can make a true stand and ban him for life, but they won't do that.

So just use Carey, call it day. If you ask me its piss weak, and frankly enough is enough. Carey's hugged the cactus forever, let him make peace with people in private and work on himself, he's far enough removed from the game now if that's all people want.

I don't really give a s**t if people don't like this standpoint but its true, the AFL can never take a position in the heat of the moment which is fine don't be too reactionary, but it had its chance with Thomas and now he'll waltz right into a new club and who gets ****ed over? North does. Again.
 
Ducks transgressions are probably worse than anything Tarryn's done (Not knowing the full extent of either's heck ups).
But it really doesn't look good for Tarryn coming back next year if that's the public stance that the AFL are willing to take against one of the best players to ever play the game.
They'd look like idiots to allow TT back.
 
DarkPhoenix said:
Ducks transgressions are probably worse than anything Tarryn's done (Not knowing the full extent of either's * ups).
But it really doesn't look good for Tarryn coming back next year if that's the public stance that the AFL are willing to take against one of the best players to ever play the game.
They'd look like idiots to allow TT back.
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It’s not up to the AFL. They suspended him for 18 games, they didn’t give him a life ban, so if clubs want to pick him up they can and probably will.
 
Val Keating said:
It’s not up to the AFL. They suspended him for 18 games, they didn’t give him a life ban, so if clubs want to pick him up they can and probably will.
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Ultimately the AFL has to sign off on any list lodgement.

So while it's openly on the clubs as to what they do, the AFL can say "Yeah, nah"
 
DarkPhoenix said:
Ducks transgressions are probably worse than anything Tarryn's done (Not knowing the full extent of either's * ups).
But it really doesn't look good for Tarryn coming back next year if that's the public stance that the AFL are willing to take against one of the best players to ever play the game.
They'd look like idiots to allow TT back.
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Tarryn still has to complete a program designated by the AFL before they re-register him. They will take the temperature of the room late this year and if it's still too hot, the program will be delayed and he won't have time to complete it for the 2025 season.
 
gokangas said:

AFL sensationally steps in and blocks Wayne Carey from gaining legend status​

AFL boss Andrew Dillon personally rang Wayne Carey on Friday to express concern about him being elevated to legend status in the NSW Hall of Fame amid a league-wide domestic violence campaign.

3 min read
May 3, 2024 - 3:59PM
a5dd6b7de7e3d5ada37a74e64905c3bd



THE AFL has sensationally stepped in to block Wayne Carey of being elevated to legend status in the NSW Hall of Fame.
AFL CEO Andrew Dillon personally rang Carey on Friday morning to express the league’s concern about the induction, amid a league-wide domestic violence campaign to start this weekend.
However Carey, who was inducted into the AFL Hall of Fame in 2010, will still be among a group of 100 other former footballers to be inducted into the inaugural NSW Hall of Fame at a gala dinner on Friday night.
The Wagga Wagga-born North Melbourne champion has a long history of domestic violence allegations and assault convictions.
One of Carey’s biggest scandals was his affair with a teammate’s wife, but the more insidious controversies surrounded his treatment of past partners. Picture: Getty Images

One of Carey’s biggest scandals was his affair with a teammate’s wife, but the more insidious controversies surrounded his treatment of past partners. Picture: Getty Images
The Herald Sun on Friday reported Carey was to be elevated into the NSW Hall of Fame, prompting the league to move swiftly.
In a statement released to the Herald Sun, Dillon stated he had blocked the NSW Hall of Fame from elevating Carey to legend status after a crisis meeting was held after the league was informed of the decision on Thursday.
Dillon then rang Carey on Friday morning to tell him he would be blocked from being elevated to legend status.
“The AFL acknowledge the decision by a committee of NSW football industry people to recognise Wayne Carey’s contribution on the football field as part of 100 inaugural inductees in the NSW Hall of Fame,” Dillon said in a statement to the Herald Sun.
“His contribution on the field is also why he was recognised in the AFL Hall of Fame in 2010.
“Yesterday afternoon the AFL Executive were alerted to the decision by the NSW Hall of Fame Committee for Carey to be elevated to Legend status.
“We didn’t think it was the right decision.
Carey flew to Sydney from his Melbourne base on Friday with on again off again girlfriend and mother of his third child, Jessica Paulke to attend the black tie event.
But on the strong advice of Dillon, the former North Melbourne and Adelaide Football Club spearhead confirmed he would not attend.
“I called Wayne Carey earlier this morning to inform him of this and he agreed that being made a Legend would take away from the event and the important focus on the national response to the issue of gender-based violence against women.
“He also agreed the focus should be on the inaugural inductees and the nine legends of NSW Football that will be announced tonight,” Dillon said.
Wayne Carey plays for North Melbourne in 2001.

Wayne Carey plays for North Melbourne in 2001.
This week the league launched a major campaign highlighting domestic violence against women, with AFL head Andrew Dillon saying they take a zero tolerance attitude.
Ahead of the start of each Round 8 match, players, senior coaches and umpires are forming a circle in the centre of the ground to make a silent tribute to women who have lost their lives to gender-based violence.
Head of AFL NSW/ACT Tiffany Robertson announced at the start of March that the region’s star players and football luminaries including Carey would be recognised in the inaugural NSW Australian Football Hall of Fame.
It’s understood the AFL are reconsidering the way to improve the Hall of Fame induction process and criteria so these sorts of issues don’t get raised again.
In the HOF rules around eligibility, the charter says the committee may consider “a candidate’s individual record, ability, integrity, sportsmanship and character”.
“The number of football games played, coached or umpired or the years of service provided shall only be a consideration and shall not be determinative in assessing a candidate’s eligibility.
“Candidates shall be judged on the basis of their overall contribution to Australian Football in NSW, as opposed to one specific aspect.”
9516396ad89c0ac4c3544267126361bb


HERALDSUN.COM.AU00:54

Wayne Carey exposed to family violence growing up (SAS)​


On SAS Australia, AFL star Wayne Carey discusses the path of domestic violence in his life.


In the NSW Australian Football Hall of Fame intake, 100 members and 10 legends will be inducted.
AFL legend Tony Lockett, Daniher brothers, Terry, Neale, Anthony and Chris and former Sydney captains Brett Kirk, Jarrad McVeigh and Kieren Jack will be among those acknowledged at the NSW Hall of Fame.
One of Carey’s biggest scandals was his affair with a teammate’s wife, but the more insidious controversies surrounded his treatment of past partners.
In 2007, Carey’s then-girlfriend Kate Nielson accused him of smashing a wine glass against her face, cutting her mouth and neck while they were in the United States.
Wayne Carey with Kate Neilson, who accused him of smashing a glass against her face.

Wayne Carey with Kate Neilson, who accused him of smashing a glass against her face.
Carey with North Melbourne chairman James Brayshaw in 2009 as he was inducted into the North Melbourne Hall of Fame.

Carey with North Melbourne chairman James Brayshaw in 2009 as he was inducted into the North Melbourne Hall of Fame.
US police arrested him, but not before Carey lashed out and kicked a female officer in the mouth. While Nielson chose not to press charges, Carey was convicted for assaulting the officer.
In 1997 he pleaded guilty to indecent assault after he grabbed a passing woman’s breast and allegedly told her “Why don’t you get a bigger pair of ****?”. The woman later filed a civil suit against him, which was settled out of court. There have been several other past and bleak allegations.
In 2010 Carey was inducted in the AFL Hall of Fame amid controversy.
Carey was eligible in both 2008 and 2009, but was overlooked both times, with his off-field misbehaviour outweighing his undisputed on-field greatness.

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If the AFL has seen fit to block Carey 17 years after the incident (the incident was appalling) they are hypocrites if they let Tarryn play for another club next year. The AFL's one rule for one and not the other drives me insane. Be bloody consistent FFS!
 
leighlee13 said:
If the AFL has seen fit to block Carey 17 years after the incident (the incident was appalling) they are hypocrites if they let Tarryn play for another club next year. The AFL's one rule for one and not the other drives me insane. Be bloody consistent FFS!
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Either way the AFL are hypocrites, always have been, they are consistently inconsistent.
 
leighlee13 said:
If the AFL has seen fit to block Carey 17 years after the incident (the incident was appalling) they are hypocrites if they let Tarryn play for another club next year. The AFL's one rule for one and not the other drives me insane. Be bloody consistent FFS!
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For the sake of accuracy, it's closer to 29 years. Happened straight after the 1995 prelim.
 
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