Comparing Fevola and Dunstall

[TheClokes]

Are they similar types of Full-Forwards?
And is Fevola of the same class - concerning football ability?

 

[spartan-magpie]

probably not.. dunstall was much more consistent and consistently more dominant... he also played in teams that were not short on forward line goal kicking ablity.. (carlton has fevola as its main , if not only, avenue to goal)

imo dunstall was the perfect full forward..
fevola is a very good full forward he isnt quite in the comany of the dunstalls, locketts, coventrys, wades, abletts, mckennas.... this could change, but he would need to kick 300+ goals in his next 3 seasons imo...

 

[butchy]

uummmmm.....no
i know what you mean when you say football ability, but i see that as everything involved with the game. the skills are one part, but it also includes tackling, unselfishness, doing what you have to do to win.
dunstall is one of the all time greats of the game (i believe better than lockett, but save that for another day). i luv watching fev play, but he will never be in dunstall's league (he is a better kick for goal though, i will give him that!).
fevola doesnt work nearly as hard as dunstall did, and doesnt even come close to dunstall as a team man.
you saw in the final game against the hawks in 08. fev chased so hard in that final quarter trying to keep the ball in forward line so he could get his hundred. a couple of times he sprinted from one side of the fifty to the other trying to pressure. it was great, but we had never seen it before. dunstall did this week in week out for 13-14 years. would love to know how many goals bung would have kicked if he was awarded the goal his teammate kicked because of his unselfishness, or defensive pressure (i would say he would be well over 1400!!)
dunstall was the first full forward really recognised for pressuring the ball on its way out. 2 of the tackles he laid in the 89 grand final were just unbelieveable, and both led to goals kicked by teammates.
dunstall worked his arse off because he believed it was his job. fevola does it when he thinks he will be rewarded for it. this mindset alone is why you cant compare them.

 

[daffo]

Dustall was more a mark and goal FF, where as Fev is too hot and cold.

Dustall was a team player, and Fev wanted to win a game off his own boot.

 

[Power King]

Ah my memory on Dunstall's playing days is minimal, but would this be correct:

Fevola is the type of FF who does a lot of leading to get his marks

where as

Dunstall did less leading and rather used his brute strength to outmuscle his opponent on the spot, in order to take a mark

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

uummmmm.....no
i know what you mean when you say football ability, but i see that as everything involved with the game. the skills are one part, but it also includes tackling, unselfishness, doing what you have to do to win.
dunstall is one of the all time greats of the game (i believe better than lockett, but save that for another day). i luv watching fev play, but he will never be in dunstall's league (he is a better kick for goal though, i will give him that!).
fevola doesnt work nearly as hard as dunstall did, and doesnt even come close to dunstall as a team man.
you saw in the final game against the hawks in 08. fev chased so hard in that final quarter trying to keep the ball in forward line so he could get his hundred. a couple of times he sprinted from one side of the fifty to the other trying to pressure. it was great, but we had never seen it before. dunstall did this week in week out for 13-14 years. would love to know how many goals bung would have kicked if he was awarded the goal his teammate kicked because of his unselfishness, or defensive pressure (i would say he would be well over 1400!!)
dunstall was the first full forward really recognised for pressuring the ball on its way out. 2 of the tackles he laid in the 89 grand final were just unbelieveable, and both led to goals kicked by teammates.
dunstall worked his arse off because he believed it was his job. fevola does it when he thinks he will be rewarded for it. this mindset alone is why you cant compare them.

Correct.
Although I don't fully agree with Fev being a better kick.

Dunstall is forgotten by a lot of people when it comes to naming the best players of the last few generations. He was an out and out champion of the game.

Then there's what he did for his club once he hung up the boots.
In the years to come Dunstall will be mentioned amongst names like Kennedy, Crimmins and Hudson...if not already.

Fev has along way to go to be compared to Piggy, and that's just talking about onfield performance.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Ah my memory on Dunstall's playing days is minimal, but would this be correct:

Fevola is the type of FF who does a lot of leading to get his marks

where as

Dunstall did less leading and rather used his brute strength to outmuscle his opponent on the spot, in order to take a mark

Nah, not really. See Daffo's post.

Dunstall had brute strength, but he was almost unbeatable on the lead.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Dunstall kicked more goals then Fevola Will

He also often passed to let team-mates kick a few,

 

[BlueDW]

I agree that Dunstall is, and was the better player. However one thing that should be remembered when talking about Fev. There is always the "he is the only target, therefore gets more opportunities" theory. As an add on to that theory, every club knows that the Blues play through him most of the time, therefore is double and triple teamed more often than not. Myguess is that given the playes Hawthorn had in their forward line, he would have been double teaamed very rarely. Remember also that Fev has kicked many goals over the past 6 years or so in an average team.

If Fev had of been full forward in the Eagles team of a couple of years ago, he would have been unbeatable. With that midfield and the open spaces of Subi, you could have marked him down for 120+ per year, each and every year.

Yes he is an idiot, but the Fev is a bloody fantastic player as well.

 

[jonoman89]

Dunstall is a legend of the game, Fevola is not. They are entirely different players who play/ed in entirely different eras of football. Fev will go down as the best Carlton FF of all time, but he isn't of the same calibur as the others.

He's in the top 3 of the last 10 years though - that you can't doubt. He is and always will be a club champion.

As an add on to that theory, every club knows that the Blues play through him most of the time, therefore is double and triple teamed more often than not.

An often overlooked fact. Fev works extremely hard for his goals.

 

[mediumsizered]

fevola doesnt work nearly as hard as dunstall did, and doesnt even come close to dunstall as a team man.
you saw in the final game against the hawks in 08. fev chased so hard in that final quarter trying to keep the ball in forward line so he could get his hundred. a couple of times he sprinted from one side of the fifty to the other trying to pressure. it was great, but we had never seen it before. dunstall did this week in week out for 13-14 years. would love to know how many goals bung would have kicked if he was awarded the goal his teammate kicked because of his unselfishness, or defensive pressure (i would say he would be well over 1400!!)

This fallacy continues, I see. I can readily identify 3 instances of Fev applying defensive pressure, without even looking at any replays & I know if I sat & watched replays of the last 4-5 seasons I could find many more. The 3 that readily come to mind are the chase down & subsequent goal against St Kilda in 2007, for which Fev was nominated for the Army Award. The 3 efforts in one particular play, in our Round 4 match against Collingwood, which resulted in a goal to Shaun Grigg & the 3rd one that easily comes to mind, was his chase of Byron Schammer in the last quarter of our win over Fremantle in 2008.

The ridiculous assertion that Fev has only ever applied defensive pressure in the Round 22 match, when seeking his 100th goal for the season, is bordering on tiring. Yes we know Fev has had days when his 2nd efforts, defensive pressure etc, leave a lot to be desired, but when he has his mind right, he regularly leads the way for our forwards in providing defensive pressure, not just when chasing milestones.

 

[Merv]

Dunstall was the better player imo but one thing to be considered when doing these type of comparisons is that Dunstall played in an era where there was virtually no flooding.

 

[Bloods]

No, Dunstall was an absolute superstar. One of the best players I've seen.

Fevola - good player but not an all-time great.

 

[blblues]

It's not a great comparison. Whilst Fev is an extremley talented and exciting player, Dunstall is an all time great who kicked over 1000 goals in a very dominant period for the Hawks. Fev has been a great player for the blues in a very tough time, however would need to finish his career in a mighty flurry of goals before he's even put in the same sentence as Dunstall.

 

[yulong]

Are they similar types of Full-Forwards?
And is Fevola of the same class - concerning football ability?

This is a joke, right?

Fev is a very good full forward but the kind of player most teams have once a decade go through their club.

Dunstall was a legend and one of the best FF evey to play the game. I think people forget how good he was because he's always compared with Lockett and Ablett. Fact is, we were blessed at that time with an era of some of the greatest FF's assembled and at any other time Dunstall would be regarded a "once in a generation player".

 

[Palmer Stoat]

You've asked two different questions... Just having 'yes' and 'no' responses in the poll doesn't cover all options.

Anyway, I think they are similar type FFs. Neither overly tall, both rely on lightning quick leads, good hands, and accurate conversion.

That said, Dunstall was a superstar, while Fev is 'only' very good.

 

[Ebert80]

Dunstall is in the elite catetgory and is a class above Fevola, who is a rung or 2 down (in the S Rocca, Nietz, A Jakovich, Modra class).

 

[mediumsizered]

Dunstall is in the elite catetgory and is a class above Fevola, who is a rung or 2 down (in the S Rocca, Nietz, A Jakovich, Modra class).

I would put Fev above Rocca & Jakovich, but agree with the other 2.

 

[Hawkk]

I agree that Dunstall is, and was the better player. However one thing that should be remembered when talking about Fev. There is always the "he is the only target, therefore gets more opportunities" theory. As an add on to that theory, every club knows that the Blues play through him most of the time, therefore is double and triple teamed more often than not. Myguess is that given the playes Hawthorn had in their forward line, he would have been double teaamed very rarely. Remember also that Fev has kicked many goals over the past 6 years or so in an average team.

If Fev had of been full forward in the Eagles team of a couple of years ago, he would have been unbeatable. With that midfield and the open spaces of Subi, you could have marked him down for 120+ per year, each and every year.

Yes he is an idiot, but the Fev is a bloody fantastic player as well.

Dunstall was the single target from 1994-1998, regularly tripled and four teamed at the marking contest, yet he single handedly dragged Hawthorn into the finals with an ordinary and ageing list with off field turmoil everywhere in 1996 and still managed to kick the ton to boot (with the help of 10 against Melbourne in round 22) as a 30+ year old, 2-3 years past his prime

Whether a multiple or single target, was, with Ablett and Lockett a class above anyone

 

[Angus1]

As an outright full forward Dunstall is the best I've ever seen. Outstanding footballer who not only kicked goals but also gave off at least 3 or 4 every week. I think Fev is very good as well and think he may even get better but we are comparing him to one of the best ever.

Comparing Croad To Southby is just plain ridiculous and doesn't even need a discussion.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Good to read alot of neutral footy observers giving Dunstall credit for his career.
He was a goal kicking machine in his prime.

But he still gets forgotten.
Most people will talk about, Carey, Ablett, Hird, Voss, Buckley, Harvey, Loclett etc when they talk about champions of the last 30 years, but Dunstall sits amongst them quite comfortably, if not right near the top.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

No comparison. Fevola more naturally talented but Dunstall better by so far it's not funny. Dunstall better than Lockett IMHO, best full forward I've seen. He and Dermie as a team were ahead of their time with their tackling, pressuring and general ball retention in the forward line.

Where did that silly post go that mentioned Croad as being one of the key position defenders of his generation? Was looking forward to seeing some more comments on that one. lol

 

[Richo is God]

Dustall was more a mark and goal FF, where as Fev is too hot and cold.

Dustall was a team player, and Fev wanted to win a game off his own boot.

But thats the only way Carlton would win.

 

[Rosstickle]

Wouldn't want to be Wiggo34 right now

 

[kingross29]

NO i think Dunstall managed to kick 100 didnt he?