congrats to Mr Bevan

[The_Flying_Egg]

Originally posted by Catman
He would not have done that against Namibia. You can afford to play some shots against their mediocre bowling attack. Bevan just made them look world class bowlers with his boring, defensive style. You would swear you were watching Test Cricket when he was batting. Here was a chance to really find some form and he didn't take it. If he couldn't do it against Namibia then who will he do it against?

Bevan has a strike rate of 2 less than Ponting and he very rarely gets to bat with field restrictions. His average is 13 higher

His strike is 2 lower than Mark Waugh who was regarded as a one day genius. His average is 15 higher

He averages 25 more than Jimmy Maher with a strike rate 7 runs better

Haydens strike rate is 4 better with field restrictions. His average is 8 less

Bevan is an out and out champion in one day cricket and people wanna drop him because he's boring or slightly out of form or worste still because he struggled in the vitally important Namibia game.

www.cricketworld.com has rated the greatest one day batsmen of all time. Bevan is only behind Tendulkar, just ahead of Viv Richards. They did a combined greatest ever side and had Bevan batting at number 4

One last thing. Bevan has the greatest one day batting average of all time

 

[Kenny_01]

Martyn's averaging 76 at this world cup with a SR of 77. Good enough for me.

I reckon we have the perfect blend of attacking players and players that hold down the innings.

Obviously, since we are annihilating every side, everyone wants a side full of attackers and while we might thrash some sides by more runs than we normally would, we would lose more games aswell.

 

[go team]

now look what you've done. you've ruined these guys arguments with facts and logic. hope you're happy...

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by dogboy23
I think some of you need to go and join the local cricket club and find out what the games all about.He is not past his best at all.I dont particularly like him any more than I do any other player I just think he has alot to offer Australia as a cricketer (from the point of view of winning not entertaining you couch potatoes).

We pay his wages by going to games and watching on TV (TV pays a sum of money to the ACB based on what their ratings will be which attracts sponsors)

We can say what we like

I also play club cricket

So you are saying M Bevan is now playing as well as he ever has???? rubbish

 

[dogboy23]

Originally posted by Jars458


So you are saying M Bevan is now playing as well as he ever has???? rubbish

Name me a batsman besides Symonds from our line up who is Players drop in and out of form all the time.IMO we would be foolish to drop him at the moment.

I am not completely disregarding what some of you are saying infact I agree with you in some respects.
In any case I think if we dont come home with the bacon in this world cup then theres a fair chance the current team will be dismantled a bit (with Bevan and Martyn likely to feel the brunt).

 

[spring6]

Is my memory just dodgy or has martyn had to curb his natural style? I am sure that years ago he was getting in trouble for hitting out and giving his wicket away rashly. I think he walks out there with a pretty solid set of instructions on how he is to play.

 

[lamby29]

It doesn't really matter because Bevan will probably retire within the next 2 years.

 

[Catman]

Originally posted by The_Flying_Egg
Bevan has a strike rate of 2 less than Ponting and he very rarely gets to bat with field restrictions. His average is 13 higher

He averages 25 more than Jimmy Maher with a strike rate 7 runs better

Bevan is an out and out champion in one day cricket and people wanna drop him because he's boring or slightly out of form or worste still because he struggled in the vitally important Namibia game.

www.cricketworld.com has rated the greatest one day batsmen of all time. Bevan is only behind Tendulkar, just ahead of Viv Richards. They did a combined greatest ever side and had Bevan batting at number 4

One last thing. Bevan has the greatest one day batting average of all time

Can you imagine if Bevan did bat with field restrictions? He'd never get off the mark as he'd be hitting it to fielders all the time. His average and strike rate are high because he gets the easy singles due to the lack of fielders close to the wicket.

Great comparison with Jimmy Maher. Bevan has played 179 more matches than Maher. Of course he's going to have a better average when you take into account the extra innings he has played.

Your next comment has hit it right on the head. "He struggled in the vitally important game against Namibia". Need I say more?

As has been said, he is an individual and his selfish batting reflects this. How many times do you see Bevan going out trying to improve the run rate? Very rarely. When he bats the run rate often diminishes due to his lack of urgency.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Originally posted by lamby29
It doesn't really matter because Bevan will probably retire within the next 2 years.

That oughta keep his precious average intact ....

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by Catman
Can you imagine if Bevan did bat with field restrictions? He'd never get off the mark as he'd be hitting it to fielders all the time. His average and strike rate are high because he gets the easy singles due to the lack of fielders close to the wicket.

yeah, then why wouldn't all the captains bring in the field??

Originally posted by Catman
Great comparison with Jimmy Maher. Bevan has played 179 more matches than Maher. Of course he's going to have a better average when you take into account the extra innings he has played.

yeah, the more innings you play, the more your average and strike rate goes up

 

[wagstaff]

Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
That oughta keep his precious average intact ....

Actually, his average has dropped significantly over the last few years.

During the late 1990s it was often over 60, reaching as high as 62.

It's slowly dipped down over the last 4 years, and is now below 55 for the first time since the mid-1990s.

I think Bevan is a far less integral part of the side then he was during the mid to late 1990s. His style of accumulation has been rendered to an extent obsolete by the changing style of Australia's batting under Waugh and Ponting and the fact that Martyn has become a similar type of batsmen to him, and is overall a higher-quality player.

Bevan is the luxury Australia can afford.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Originally posted by wagstaff
Actually, his average has dropped significantly over the last few years.

During the late 1990s it was often over 60, reaching as high as 62.

It's slowly dipped down over the last 4 years, and is now below 55 for the first time since the mid-1990s.

I think Bevan is a far less integral part of the side then he was during the mid to late 1990s. His style of accumulation has been rendered to an extent obsolete by the changing style of Australia's batting under Waugh and Ponting and the fact that Martyn has become a similar type of batsmen to him, and is overall a higher-quality player.

Bevan is the luxury Australia can afford.

There's no doubt you're right, Wagstaff ... he is an affordable luxury at No 6 or 7 at present, while we have such guns up the top.

Bevan's best knocks seemed to come when we were 4/90 off 25 overs and chasing 220, a scenario which seems very rare nowadays. He was usually able to accumulate 60-odd off 90-odd balls with the field spread, allowing Moody, Warne, Healy, etc .. to pinch-hit in sequence up the other end and, more importantly, earn himself that all-important red ink at the end of the day ....

 

[Zombie]

Oh dear, a few red faces amongst this thread i should imagine

 

[EagleBlue]

Who can we bag next to fire them up ????????

Ponting maybe, he is the only one thats missed out so far

 

[Kenny_01]

Originally posted by EagleBlue
Who can we bag next to fire them up ????????

Ponting maybe, he is the only one thats missed out so far

Everyone should just accept the side is perfect at the moment and no-one should be dropped. It's no coincidence we have won 12 in a row. Obviously we're getting something right.

 

[EagleBlue]

I agree but everytime someone gets bagged mercifully they seem to turn it around. Langer, Lee, Martyn, Hogg, Symonds, Bevan.

There is no on left now

If only the Redbacks would respond in a similar vain

 

[Catman]

Originally posted by nicko18
yeah, the more innings you play, the more your average and strike rate goes up

No sh.t Einstein. That was the whole purpose of the post. To highlight what a poor comparison it was.

 

[P0RT P0WER]

I know Hayden hit 88 the other night but he has really been struggling, his best form aint far away but at the moment he is swinging at wide balls, misjudging the bounce off the pitch and just aint the same Hayden that we have seen over the past 2 years.
Damien Martyn is a concern too, he may have a strike rate of 70 this world cup but if the whole team is going to have a strike rate of 70 we are only going to be managing scores around 210 which aint enough in modern One day cricket unless your playing a side like England. Bevan and Martyn are similar players the way they score etc but Bevan is the superior, it is hard to have these two in the same side when the top order fails, as both try to build an innings at a slow rate, the number four position should be boofs and Michael Clarke should get the number 5 position replacing Martyn.
On bagging players on this board, first it was Andy Symonds and he produced, tonight it was Bevan and he produced, who's next?

 

[Catman]

Originally posted by P0RT P0WER
On bagging players on this board, first it was Andy Symonds and he produced, tonight it was Bevan and he produced, who's next?

Symonds has failed again though. His century against the Paks was a fluke.

 

[Kenny_01]

Originally posted by P0RT P0WER
I know Hayden hit 88 the other night but he has really been struggling, his best form aint far away but at the moment he is swinging at wide balls, misjudging the bounce off the pitch and just aint the same Hayden that we have seen over the past 2 years.
Damien Martyn is a concern too, he may have a strike rate of 70 this world cup but if the whole team is going to have a strike rate of 70 we are only going to be managing scores around 210 which aint enough in modern One day cricket unless your playing a side like England. Bevan and Martyn are similar players the way they score etc but Bevan is the superior, it is hard to have these two in the same side when the top order fails, as both try to build an innings at a slow rate, the number four position should be boofs and Michael Clarke should get the number 5 position replacing Martyn.
On bagging players on this board, first it was Andy Symonds and he produced, tonight it was Bevan and he produced, who's next?

It looks like you have started on Martyn? There's no way he should be dropped. If you dropped someone everytime they had a poor run (and Martyn hasn't been too poor at all), the side would be in tatters.

 

[Dogwatcher]

Originally posted by Dogwatcher
Next time Bevan digs us out of trouble when our top order fails and helps Australia build a competitive target, I'll look back at this thread and laugh.

I rest my case gentlemen of the jury.

 

[Mr Q]

Originally posted by P0RT P0WER
the number four position should be boofs and Michael Clarke should get the number 5 position replacing Martyn.

I think if the selectors had just been looking at attacking they would have tried out Langer as an opener in the VB series and moved Gilchrist down the order to Martyn/Bevan's position. Langer after all seems to play a ODI innings every time he goes out to bat (and he was the best domestic one day batsman this summer).

You do however need the stolid batsmen like Bevan or Martyn in the side. Had Australia had Ponting or Gilchrist out there with Bichel at the end last night England would've won for sure.

Ideally you'd be able to have the toss before you selected the side - then you could play Bevan only if Australia is chasing .

 

[Yianni]

Originally posted by Catman
Symonds has failed again though. His century against the Paks was a fluke.

Are you watching the same tournament as me?? The way I see it, in 3 innings, he's made 143, 50 (when he was run out by Martyn!) and he's failed in the third.

Hardly what I'd call "failing" over three games

 

[Catman]

Originally posted by Yianni
Are you watching the same tournament as me?? The way I see it, in 3 innings, he's made 143, 50 (when he was run out by Martyn!) and he's failed in the third.

Hardly what I'd call "failing" over three games

Come on. You can't call Namibia a game. I'm talking decent opposition and Namibia aren't that.

 

[Yianni]

Originally posted by Catman
Come on. You can't call Namibia a game. I'm talking decent opposition and Namibia aren't that.

So? Gilchrist made 19 against Namibia. Shall we drop him too?

I'd give Symonds at least one more chance. He doesn't deserve to be dropped at the moment on FORM. You're just bringing preconceived notions into it.