List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 2

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

We are getting worse not better and we won 1 game last year……..

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

"Clubs will pay a premium for the first pick on day 2!!!!!"

Clubs: Drafts Dev

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Dev is a train on option for the SSP before the season. He does not walk into a list spot with us, and certainly does not cost us anything.

 

[TerryFilk]

Could we involve Chess in a pick upgrade for 11 rather than getting 34?

With the likely NGA pre-listing we’re going to have a lot of picks with minimal spots.

Chess and 19 -> 11
Everything else to GC for 7
2 and 11 for 5 and 6

Leaves us with 1,5,6,7 which is the perfect spot to have picks.

No, Chesser will be a pick in the 30’s or 40’s unfortunately.

I can definitely see us getting involved with Gold Coast in any 3 way deal for Flanders / Curnow though.

I’d be pretty surprised if we don’t move up but then again we generally prefer to split.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

His VFL stats are vastly superior to the WAFL stats of most of our players.

VFL has turned into a bit of a mickey mouse league stats wise with the AFL players racking up touches at will when the go down.




Even in clearances he's not rated that high

 

[Bacchus]

Club had the right intentions, but attracting players to a team that has lost 80 of the last 91 matches is tough

We are in a serious death spiral/bind/catch 22.

The club can’t win games without attracting players but the club can’t attract players without winning games.
Caught in a no win.

What is the way out? Some real thinking and acting by those who are still there.
Or pull some big rabbits out of hats and lots of them.

Mitchell has managed to drag Hawthorn up with a team of off cuts.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

We are recruiting an All Australian midfielder. If he plays 20 games next year we win 5+ games.

Sure it's [PLAYERCARD]Elliot Yeo[/PLAYERCARD] and staying fit is a problem, but one can dream.

 

[CountryLad]

We are getting worse not better and we won 1 game last year……..

In a rebuild I would have thought the improvement comes mostly from the youngsters you have on the list which we have many of now.

I have no idea how long it will take to see a large amount of improvement but I guess I would use Ginbey and Hough as good examples. Have slowly improved and build there games up to 50+ and both look AFL standard.

There is still plenty of growth left in this young group we now have. We will find it easier to attract talent from other clubs as this growth continues over coming seasons.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

We are getting worse not better and we won 1 game last year……..

Allen played only 12 matches and played poorly in a lot of them, Chesser played 4 senior matches, and while Ryan played 20 matches I wouldn't say he was particularly close to his previous best. Plus one would hope for natural improvement given that we had just about one of the youngest and most inexperienced sides in the comp.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

New ESPN power rankings out. Sharp #2 of the open pool, Robey at 8 overall.

AFL Draft: The biggest draft bolter in a decade emerges

Over the past decade we've seen stars such as Clayton Oliver soar into the top echelon late. Those bolters pale in comparison to the wicked rise Sullivan Robey has produced across the Talent League finals. Here's Jasper Chellappah's top 40 for September.

www.espn.com.au

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

VFL has turned into a bit of a mickey mouse league stats wise with the AFL players racking up touches at will when the go down.

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Even in clearances he's not rated that high

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I don't think anyone would argue he's an amazing player but he's at least a mature body who can play inside midfield, so either he proves he's good enough to play at the senior level and contributes there, or he doesn't cut it but at least he takes some of the burden off the teenagers who are regularly getting crushed in the mids for the Beagles.

 

[Elite Pete]

Has anyone got an explanation from the club why we've never converted a Category B rookie? We have all the wealth and one place where you can spend it is Category B. We should be trying an Irishmen & a basketballer every year

Watched that Gettable episode in full which is the first time I’ve bothered to do so this year. Quite a bit to takeaway from it - not much to get overly enthusiastic about from a WCE perspective but there were some little nuggets of hope

Some of these have been touched on already but my takeaways:

• Chesser likely to attract pick 34 or 44 from Carlton - noting also that the Blues are also chasing Khamis from the Bulldogs who Twomey said is in that same range. We’d be wise to request/accept 34 early and move on before it goes to the Bulldogs.
• Butler more likely to stay than go which is understandable. Might be worth throwing a 3 year deal at him rather than the 2 years he’s been offered by Hawthorn and at more $$ than they’re willing to/able to match (within reason - just because we have cap space we shouldn’t be paying players more than their worth)
• Ah Chee almost a lock to request a trade to Adelaide so put a line through him.
• Starcevich looks a good chance to join us even if Twomey is struggling to get his head around the trade over FA part of his acquisition- and that Brisbane get nothing for him if he leaves as a FA to any club
• Ryan definitely going to St Kilda but no mention of a trade value or an acknowledgment that he’s contracted so we need to be happy with what’s offered
• Our request for as many as four additional rookie spots looks set to be granted and, importantly, with the ability to prelist our NGA players. That would be a significant win
• Also mentioned that we might get a priority pick which we can trade - Twomey bizarrely links that to the Starcevich deal so Brisbane get something which seems unnecessary/unrelated. An extra pick(s) would be handy especially if it’s end of R1 or a R2 tied to our finishing position this year and/or next
• Still no clarity on what, if any, changes will be made to the bidding system for next year although placing a higher premium on early bids (top 5) seems more likely than the R1 lockout initially suggested. In true AFL fashion though, that decision might not be made until after the trade period meaning clubs will be trading future picks without knowing what the rules will be for bid matching in 2026.

They have valued Ryan at F2 or F3 in previous weeks.

 

[Bacchus]

Well Sid Draper did nothing this year.

Langford was solid this year but way too early to make a call if he was a miss.

Can't really make a call on Hawks F1 Until we see who we get with it or what we use it on. What if that player ends up being as good as Langford or Draper?

Langford is definitely not a miss. Calling it now.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

New ESPN power rankings out. Sharp #2 of the open pool, Robey at 8 overall.

AFL Draft: The biggest draft bolter in a decade emerges

Over the past decade we've seen stars such as Clayton Oliver soar into the top echelon late. Those bolters pale in comparison to the wicked rise Sullivan Robey has produced across the Talent League finals. Here's Jasper Chellappah's top 40 for September.

www.espn.com.au

Reinforces what a lot have been saying here for a while now.

1. Duursma.
2. Sharp.

No need to overthink it.

CDT also now talked up for being a forward, ruck downplayed. We definitely don't need.

 

[kokedoodledoo]

I think people are undervaluing Dev a bit. He’s in Brisbanes best 23-28 players (ignoring injuries).

Do we really believe he wouldn’t be in our best 23?

 

[JackOutback]

VFL has turned into a bit of a mickey mouse league stats wise with the AFL players racking up touches at will when the go down.

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Even in clearances he's not rated that high

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But none of our players have been racking them up when going down to WAFL level.

A significant number of players above him played between one and five games, obviously putting in a good performance, but different from averaging highly across 15. He also had a number of games where he cracked 30 and 35 possessions. I don't follow the VFL so I don't know the reasons behind some of the lesser performances, but he's clearly a WAFL quality player at a minimum, will come for free, so seems like a no-brainer. He would command a spot in round 1 and if it turns out he's already hit his ceiling, he'll be overtaken.

 

[Hasselhough]

Looking at that breakdown the Eagles, Saints and Suns could do a deal.

Assuming Allen and Draper first round compensation

WC give: 17 and Ryan

WC receive: pick 9

Saints give: pick 9

Saints receive: Flanders and Ryan

Suns give: Flanders

Suns receive: pick 17

Values Ryan at mid-2nd round pick.

Gives Eagles another top 10 pick for a Schubert, Robey, Grilj etc

Saints get two of their trade targets

Suns get another 879 points towards bids for Uwland and Patterson

I would assume that GC would want a future 1st for flanders . They have more than enough picks this year already

 

[Hasselhough]

I think people are undervaluing Dev a bit. He’s in Brisbanes best 23-28 players (ignoring injuries).

Do we really believe he wouldn’t be in our best 23?

Best 23 -28 players ? but has only played 6 games in 2 year with Brisbane having significant injuries last year too

 

[Big_Birdy]

But none of our players have been racking them up when going down to WAFL level.

A significant number of players above him played between one and five games, obviously putting in a good performance, but different from averaging highly across 15. He also had a number of games where he cracked 30 and 35 possessions. I don't follow the VFL so I don't know the reasons behind some of the lesser performances, but he's clearly a WAFL quality player at a minimum, will come for free, so seems like a no-brainer. He would command a spot in round 1 and if it turns out he's already hit his ceiling, he'll be overtaken.

What would you consider 'racking them up' though?

Dewar averaged 25.5
Hall 29.5
Gross only 22.3 - but final 3 games 29, 30 and 24 (2g).

 

[Hasselhough]

Watched that Gettable episode in full which is the first time I’ve bothered to do so this year. Quite a bit to takeaway from it - not much to get overly enthusiastic about from a WCE perspective but there were some little nuggets of hope

Some of these have been touched on already but my takeaways:

• Chesser likely to attract pick 34 or 44 from Carlton - noting also that the Blues are also chasing Khamis from the Bulldogs who Twomey said is in that same range. We’d be wise to request/accept 34 early and move on before it goes to the Bulldogs.
• Butler more likely to stay than go which is understandable. Might be worth throwing a 3 year deal at him rather than the 2 years he’s been offered by Hawthorn and at more $$ than they’re willing to/able to match (within reason - just because we have cap space we shouldn’t be paying players more than their worth)
• Ah Chee almost a lock to request a trade to Adelaide so put a line through him.
• Starcevich looks a good chance to join us even if Twomey is struggling to get his head around the trade over FA part of his acquisition- and that Brisbane get nothing for him if he leaves as a FA to any club
• Ryan definitely going to St Kilda but no mention of a trade value or an acknowledgment that he’s contracted so we need to be happy with what’s offered
• Our request for as many as four additional rookie spots looks set to be granted and, importantly, with the ability to prelist our NGA players. That would be a significant win
• Also mentioned that we might get a priority pick which we can trade - Twomey bizarrely links that to the Starcevich deal so Brisbane get something which seems unnecessary/unrelated. An extra pick(s) would be handy especially if it’s end of R1 or a R2 tied to our finishing position this year and/or next
• Either way we’ll know Monday/Tuesday next week when the assistance package is ratified by the AFL commission
• Still no clarity on what, if any, changes will be made to the bidding system for next year although placing a higher premium on early bids (top 5) seems more likely than the R1 lockout initially suggested. In true AFL fashion though, that decision might not be made until after the trade period meaning clubs will be trading future picks without knowing what the rules will be for bid matching in 2026.
• There’s talk of clubs in the bottom 4-6 being given additional salary cap space to chase free agents - could be handy for us chasing Chad Warner in 2027 given the probability we’ll still be in that part of the ladder even if we do improve in 2026/27
• Carlton are likely going to put their TDK compensation pick up for trade. Will be pick 10/11 depending on Draper compo for Essendon and might be more achievable as a trade up option than the Port pick held by Gold Coast
• Draper FA compensation is line ball between Band 1 and 2. Silvagni will be band 2
• And big surprise, Robertson a good chance to land at West Coast

We could offer butler 2.5million over 4 years with front loaded 800k year 1 and 700k year 2 .

Really stick it up the hawks and make them pay overs to keep him or better yet get butler .

 

[ziad]

I think people are undervaluing Dev a bit. He’s in Brisbanes best 23-28 players (ignoring injuries).

Do we really believe he wouldn’t be in our best 23?

I am uneasy, But Brisbain have a midfield of top 1-3 picks, plus an ex Dogs B&F winner.

 

[FKASC]

We definitely don't need.

 

[Wce17]

Watched that Gettable episode in full which is the first time I’ve bothered to do so this year. Quite a bit to takeaway from it - not much to get overly enthusiastic about from a WCE perspective but there were some little nuggets of hope

Some of these have been touched on already but my takeaways:

• Chesser likely to attract pick 34 or 44 from Carlton - noting also that the Blues are also chasing Khamis from the Bulldogs who Twomey said is in that same range. We’d be wise to request/accept 34 early and move on before it goes to the Bulldogs.
• Butler more likely to stay than go which is understandable. Might be worth throwing a 3 year deal at him rather than the 2 years he’s been offered by Hawthorn and at more $$ than they’re willing to/able to match (within reason - just because we have cap space we shouldn’t be paying players more than their worth)
• Ah Chee almost a lock to request a trade to Adelaide so put a line through him.
• Starcevich looks a good chance to join us even if Twomey is struggling to get his head around the trade over FA part of his acquisition- and that Brisbane get nothing for him if he leaves as a FA to any club
• Ryan definitely going to St Kilda but no mention of a trade value or an acknowledgment that he’s contracted so we need to be happy with what’s offered
• Our request for as many as four additional rookie spots looks set to be granted and, importantly, with the ability to prelist our NGA players. That would be a significant win
• Also mentioned that we might get a priority pick which we can trade - Twomey bizarrely links that to the Starcevich deal so Brisbane get something which seems unnecessary/unrelated. An extra pick(s) would be handy especially if it’s end of R1 or a R2 tied to our finishing position this year and/or next
• Either way we’ll know Monday/Tuesday next week when the assistance package is ratified by the AFL commission
• Still no clarity on what, if any, changes will be made to the bidding system for next year although placing a higher premium on early bids (top 5) seems more likely than the R1 lockout initially suggested. In true AFL fashion though, that decision might not be made until after the trade period meaning clubs will be trading future picks without knowing what the rules will be for bid matching in 2026.
• There’s talk of clubs in the bottom 4-6 being given additional salary cap space to chase free agents - could be handy for us chasing Chad Warner in 2027 given the probability we’ll still be in that part of the ladder even if we do improve in 2026/27
• Carlton are likely going to put their TDK compensation pick up for trade. Will be pick 10/11 depending on Draper compo for Essendon and might be more achievable as a trade up option than the Port pick held by Gold Coast
• Draper FA compensation is line ball between Band 1 and 2. Silvagni will be band 2
• And big surprise, Robertson a good chance to land at West Coast

If we have extra list spots I’m not against Robertson. At worst he’d be good for depth.

 

[JackOutback]

What would you consider 'racking them up' though?

Dewar averaged 25.5
Hall 29.5
Gross only 22.3 - but final 3 games 29, 30 and 24 (2g).

30+, which he did six times this year and seven times last year.

 

[kokedoodledoo]

Best 23 -28 players ? but has only played 6 games in 2 year with Brisbane having significant injuries last year too

Yeah I’d say he fits in around the 28 mark of their team (probably dependent on who is ranking and how the players are getting ranked). Definitely fits into our best 23 given the difference of skill floor between Brisbane and West Coast.

I am uneasy, But Brisbain have a midfield of top 1-3 picks, plus an ex Dogs B&F winner.

Sorta adds to my point. We don’t have anything close to that. Dev would definitely contribute for the next couple years which is a good thing for a player who is free to pick up.