List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[We_The_West]

Given our large amount of cash in the salary cap and noone to spend it on... I would be putting a significant offer in front of Ed Richards

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Ed Richards

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.3

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

The FA list this year doesn't look too exciting unfortunately

 

[maverick001]

Caught up with some ex WCE staff tonight, that are still involved with the club.

Nice intimate backyard evening.

Reid is gone. Doesn't want to be here

Is that to say we’re expecting a trade request end of this season or more likely to see out existing contract?

 

[whatis]

The other way to look at Baker/Graham/Owies recruitment is as a culture subsidy we unfortunately had to pay for in draft position.

I can see the logic in taking the hit, as there's no point in drafting a bunch of kids if they're not learning the right lessons.

We all witnessed the lazy efforts by senior players last year.

 

[maverick001]

I have some question marks as to whether he is ‘the right’ ruck for us.

He’s undersized at 200cm, isn’t a hit out winning ruckman, and isn’t that strong aerially but elite around the ground.

He’s a Grundy clone and I’m not sure that’s what we need.

We love an undersized ruck tho
Bailey Williams and Jameison and Barnett apply within

 

[maverick001]

All the Duursma's are basically the players they were expected to be at the next level. You could say that more was expected of them, but they were all somewhat outside-ish players with good speed and skills (zane).

It's not like Zane and Xavier were inside mids who weren't able to adapt at the next level. They were wingers/half forwards at colts level.

We were talking about red flags over Zane's contested ability in his draft year, it's not like it came out of nowhere and was a surprise when he got to AFL level.

If Willem continues showing inside midfield craft and ability to impose himself on games in and around stoppage, we should judge him based off that, not who his brothers are and how they play.

Good comment
Can’t just assume one player is going to be the same as their brother. Hamish isn’t Andy Brayshaw. Nathan isn’t Gary Ablett. (Luke?) isn’t Elliott Yeo. There’s countless examples

 

[maverick001]

So while drafting best available, the draft is a priority at the top end and mids are our biggest need.
Not being able to build solely through the draft becoming increasingly difficult.

We are still in serious need of onfield leadership and midfield talent on our list ASAP.
Warner is obvious, but who would you be throwing assets at to get too our team now?
You have mentioned Ward before and he would fit our needs and list age profile.

If Warner doesn't come.
Is there a pressing need to throw some big cash at Bont on a 3 year deal to bring skill, leadership on and off the field and teach our next generation what is needed to become elite or someone of his calibre? Being an UFA.

Doubt it’s Bont but something akin would be great.
With Kelly and Yeo not being able to be relied on to lead the mids the next couple years, there’s a massive vacuum of leadership and experience in the middle. We can’t just rely on kids as our prime midfield movers. And Graham and Baker aren’t the answer

 

[maverick001]

Credit where credit is due, he has put his head down, stop giving away needless free kicks and is playing better since being moved out of the midfield.

Lets see how the rest of the season plays out.

Yea it will be interesting if Kane makes any comment on this or finds another way to be negative and stick the boots in

 

[maverick001]

No clear standout this year at this stage.

Very similar to last year where it took a bit for Lalor to get a bit of a gap between him and the rest (some still have Jagga or Finn as their number 1)

It’s even harder this year due to NGA, FS and Academy kids dominating the top 30

Yea and no clear standout at this point doesn’t mean there’s no good options.
As you said it took time for Lalor to emerge, and everyone can already see he’s a deadset gun.
Also someone like Langford has started pretty well and he was barely considered a first round pick this time last year

 

[maverick001]

They’ve just said we aren’t a ‘short term solutions’ club - so I think we can put a line through Parfitt.

Darcy Cameron is rounding 30 so he’s unfortunately too old and Collingwood would want too much. So he’s a no.

That Hawks pick will be in the late 20s at best with all the Academy and F/S picks this year. It’s not really a ‘proper’ 1st Round pick.

Agree about the mids at 1-2 - that’d be nice…unless Oscar stays….

Which goes to show how much we dropped the ball not locking down the Hawks first last year

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Yea and no clear standout at this point doesn’t mean there’s no good options.
As you said it took time for Lalor to emerge, and everyone can already see he’s a deadset gun.
Also someone like Langford has started pretty well and he was barely considered a first round pick this time last year

Yeah, I seen some people lamenting the fact that there isn't a standout number one yet and I'm just like...can the kids at least play the games first and perhaps re-visit this again mid season? Prospects like Harley where everyone considered him a slam dunk number one the year before his draft year happens once in a blue moon.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

If Reid is going to go then we need to man up and face it. It's OK as long as we get value for him. I hope the club is open to hear offers at the end of this year and doesn't try and cling on at all costs.

I don't think it is totally clear that he is going to be as good as a lot of people think. He has talent and ability. But i am not sure the current projections of him being the next Dustin Martin will come to fruition. He is very unfit which might speak a bit to how much discipline and what kind of work ethic he has off field. And he is obviously very undisciplined on field giving away lots of free kicks. I am not saying i wouldn't take him again with the Number 1 pick but just saying he may just end up being a very good player and not one of the greats. If we can get three first rounders for him lets just take it and move on.

 

[WCE_phil]

Which goes to show how much we dropped the ball not locking down the Hawks first last year

It would have meant we still drafted Shanahan, just at 17 instead of 30 FFS. The club then would have drafted Boxshall at 30.

Now while I think Davis is much less of a chance of becoming a very good player than boxshall, you're essentially swapping Hawks 2025 R1 and R2 for Boxshall instead of Davis.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Who

Disagree. We can’t keep sending out a midfield of children and kelly. It doesn’t help the kids and Kelly has no help

Who said anything about another kid at the MSD? If you see him as a wafl player who can only come in to fill a void for the time being, then your parfitt solution is a short term stop gap. its not long term.

 

[stallon]

It would have meant we still drafted Shanahan, just at 17 instead of 30 FFS. The club then would have drafted Boxshall at 30.

Now while I think Davis is much less of a chance of becoming a very good player than boxshall, you're essentially swapping Hawks 2025 R1 and R2 for Boxshall instead of Davis.

Would we have bothered trading back in for Grego if we had gotten Boxshall?
Could it have been Grego vs Boxshall in the end rather than Davis?

 

[stallon]

Who

Who said anything about another kid at the MSD? If you see him as a wafl player who can only come in to fill a void for the time being, then your parfitt solution is a short term stop gap. its not long term.

Protecting the kids with a short term player can be a long term approach.
It's a lot easier for the kids to develop if they don't have the entire midfield responsibility on their shoulders.

 

[Goldfish]

I went down to the game yesterday and made a few notes, not quite to the level of some posters but better than nothing I guess :

• Dylan Patterson is a jet, but unfortunately tied to the GC Academy player.
• Greeves was one of the best, played midfield minutes and also out of the backline in the last quarter. Good running patterns and often got himself to the right spots. Tough in the contest and showed a lot given he was playing against men.
• Rodriguez was ok, certainly not quick but made the right decision more often than not.
• Duursma was similar to Rodriguez, did a great collect and spin out of traffic in the last but didn't shoot the lights out.
• Archie Ludowyke took some great contested marks and competed well in the air throughout the day.
• Sharp look slow, didn't do anything that made me think top 5 pick.
• The vertical leap on Ben Rongdit was ridiculous (note: not Zeke Uwland, Rongdit was wearing his jumper)
• Didn't really notice Walley (no pun intended) which is a shame given I was trying to keep an eye out for him. Can be hard at the ground sometimes to pick everything up.
• Tom McCarthy looked handy, can see why teams are looking at him for the MSD.
• Was hoping to see Evans (main reason for heading down) but still worthwhile.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

It would have meant we still drafted Shanahan, just at 17 instead of 30 FFS. The club then would have drafted Boxshall at 30.

Now while I think Davis is much less of a chance of becoming a very good player than boxshall, you're essentially swapping Hawks 2025 R1 and R2 for Boxshall instead of Davis.

This just shows how far off base we are . We keep investing in KPP players with our top picks while almost all the other top teams have built their kpp group with late picks and focused the early rounds on midfielders

Does anyone stop to wonder why the kpp we wanted at 17 was still there at 31... Perhaps their is a reason these tall players keep on sliding...

We haven't really moved on from 2018 and alot of it is to do with our drafting. We keep wanting to build a team around kpp as the first item when in reality it's the last thing to look at.

Last night's game was a perfect example. Both teams built that midfield out and grabbed the KPPs last and via trade as opposed to drafting and it's clearly working well for them... Perhaps we should try it too as opposed to living in 2018 and investing in a drafting strategy that has brought nothing but failure and over investment in players who are not up to it but get 2 year deals for the mere fact that they are tall...

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

This just shows how far off base we are . We keep investing in KPP players with our top picks while almost all the other top teams have built their kpp group with late picks and focused the early rounds on midfielders

Does anyone stop to wonder why the kpp we wanted at 17 was still there at 31... Perhaps their is a reason these tall players keep on sliding...

We haven't really moved on from 2018 and alot of it is to do with our drafting. We keep wanting to build a team around kpp as the first item when in reality it's the last thing to look at.

Last night's game was a perfect example. Both teams built that midfield out and grabbed the KPPs last and via trade as opposed to drafting and it's clearly working well for them... Perhaps we should try it too as opposed to living in 2018

This is so bizarre, melting about an alternative scenario that never eventuated.

On that last point, Georgiades was Ports most dangerous forward, he was a first round pick at 18.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The other way to look at Baker/Graham/Owies recruitment is as a culture subsidy we unfortunately had to pay for in draft position.

I can see the logic in taking the hit, as there's no point in drafting a bunch of kids if they're not learning the right lessons.

We all witnessed the lazy efforts by senior players last year.

Graham and Owies are not the same as Baker.

The idea Graham was only coming if Baker did is silly and just used by people wanting to justify the overpay of Baker

Im confident that Parfitt would be giving us only slightly less then Baker and then instead of having no first rounder from 2025 in the team we would have either Sid Draper or Harvey Langford instead

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

This is so bizarre, melting about an alternative scenario that never eventuated.

On that last point, Georgiades was Ports most dangerous forward, he was a first round pick at 18.

Im melting about the overall strategy. Shanahan isn't the only example. Isn't even in the top 5 of bad ones . It's the over investment in Barnett, Jamieson to us taking on Will Collins, Josh Smith and then the debacle that was Jarrod Brander and our forceful attempts at making him a midfielder cos we couldn't find any actual midfielders elsewhere

We then continued on by playing Darling for 1 year too many and then ignoring out diabolical ruck situation cos we can't admit Jamieson/Barnett won't make it

It's been a shambles from top to bottom

 

[ghostbat12]

It would have meant we still drafted Shanahan, just at 17 instead of 30 FFS. The club then would have drafted Boxshall at 30.

Now while I think Davis is much less of a chance of becoming a very good player than boxshall, you're essentially swapping Hawks 2025 R1 and R2 for Boxshall instead of Davis.

People don’t care that it barely made a difference.

Club is a punching bag at moment. It’s clubs fault Reid was at wedding, clubs fault Mitchell is talking to Allen, clubs fault that we didn’t come hard on Allen but then clubs fault he came out and apologised.

No matter what we do, we should have done the opposite, even when often it’s contradictory.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Don't be so glass half empty; remember we didn't just trade for Baker, the maneuverer also enabled us to land Jack Graham and a third round meat and potatoes midfield prospect.

We've got Hall, Gross, Hutchinson, and I'm confident Bo Allan will eventually be able to get more than 20 touches in a match. Add to that 2-3 more picks in the 40s and I doubt there's a midfield going around that will be able to to match us.

Don't laugh, a lot of people actually think that.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Does Gross look like a meat and potatoes prospect based on what we’ve seen thus far?

He looks good, but do you think he's going to be a Bont, Dusty type? It's highly unlikely. He could be a really solid midfielder as part of a team with some absolutely elite players.

It's laughable the amount of people who get emotionally attached to their own team's players and are unable to look at things objectively. The biggest laugh is the people on here who think Hutch will be our midfield saviour. I think a lot of it has to do with him being good looking. Some people are identifying as men.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

People don’t care that it barely made a difference.

Club is a punching bag at moment. It’s clubs fault Reid was at wedding, clubs fault Mitchell is talking to Allen, clubs fault that we didn’t come hard on Allen but then clubs fault he came out and apologised.

No matter what we do, we should have done the opposite, even when often it’s contradictory.

Perhaps we should just play good football and stop being shit? That would stop all of this

 

[Astro7]

Really impressed with Horne-Francis last night. Has pace, skills, nous and great work ethic. Any similar mids coming down the draft pipeline?