List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Wedgetailed Westerner]

He's soon to hit 30 and you think he has 7 years left? That's not realistic

Whys that. Wasn't he drafted as a mature age, then only played one game with Sydney. So only had 4 to 5 years of continuous game time rucking in the AFL putting strain on his body.
If his body stays durable he could play until he is 36/37

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Whys that. Wasn't he drafted as a mature age, then only played one game with Sydney. So only had 4 to 5 years of continuous game time rucking in the AFL putting strain on his body.
If his body stays durable he could play until he is 36/37

In our nearly four decades of existence we’ve had four players play past their 34th birthday, and two of them (Petrie and Mitchell) were only here for a season. We’ve had one play past his 35th birthday (Hurn), and none past their 36th birthday.

So I don’t think we should be banking on Darcy Cameron bucking that history.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Whys that. Wasn't he drafted as a mature age, then only played one game with Sydney. So only had 4 to 5 years of continuous game time rucking in the AFL putting strain on his body.
If his body stays durable he could play until he is 36/37

You realise he was still playing football at that time right? He wasn't just lazing around protecting his body.

 

[JackOutback]

We get Cameron
Collingwood get Petrucelle and Sheed.

Done

BWilliams and Petucelle.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

But what if we make a commitment to him??

#1

 

[WCE777]

10 of the VFL's leading Mid-Season Draft prospects for 2025

The names out of Victoria’s state league competition to keep an eye on👇

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The write up makes him sound like a nice fit. It’s a half backs world atm and we don’t really have that modern day one. Sounds like he has the tools for it but will it translate to AFL.

Basically the same player as Sellwood and he is 21, McCarthy is 25.
Sellwood has more runs on the board imo.
Played well in the last 2 state games, consistent player at WAFL great user of the footy.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Interesting reading that you all think you need a ruck, I came here looking for a replacement for TDK thinking that West Coast may be prepared to let one go as you seem fairly well covered in this position.

What would be a reasonable trade for Bailey Williams, Frankston boy, contracted until 2026 so would need to pay something and I would see him as an upgrade on Pittonet.

 

[Scotland]

We are currently overstocked with tall forwards, but most them don't demand a spot in the 22. Shanahan is young and both Williams have been dropped on form/team balance this season.

The first domino to fall will Be Oscar Allen

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. If he goes then there a spot opens up. If he stays he plays, so we're looking at him playing permanently back or there being at most a spot for one of the Williams forward.

I like Jack Williams but he does remind me a bit of the Sydney talls. Can he become a 40 or 50 goal a year forward?

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

You realise he was still playing football at that time right? He wasn't just lazing around protecting his body.

Im not an idiot. Of course I know he was playing footy
There is a huge difference between WAFL/VFL and AFL.
I'm not saying he will, all I said is he could.
Do I think it is likely no, but hey it was only a suggestion

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

In our nearly four decades of existence we’ve had four players play past their 34th birthday, and two of them (Petrie and Mitchell) were only here for a season. We’ve had one play past his 35th birthday (Hurn), and none past their 36th birthday.

So I don’t think we should be banking on Darcy Cameron bucking that history.

Very true and I don't think it will happen.
All I'll ask is how many of those were mature age draftees.
Just a different perspective/suggestion that is all

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Interesting reading that you all think you need a ruck, I came here looking for a replacement for TDK thinking that West Coast may be prepared to let one go as you seem fairly well covered in this position.

What would be a reasonable trade for Bailey Williams, Frankston boy, contracted until 2026 so would need to pay something and I would see him as an upgrade on Pittonet.

heart says late first, head says late second

although, if the Flynn/Bwilliams one two punch continues to work out then its more likely a young Jack Williams ends up on the outer instead. Quality player, and I would hate to see him go

 

[WCE777]

We must have a tall on the way out if we are bringing Cameron in.

If the mail on Cameron this year is correct then BW would need to be part of the trade or on the trade table.
We don't need all of Cameron, Flynn, BW, Livingstone, A Reid.

 

[kane249]

heart says late first, head says late second

although, if the Flynn/Bwilliams one two punch continues to work out then its more likely a young Jack Williams ends up on the outer instead. Quality player, and I would hate to see him go

Does Carlton have a second rounder this year? Thought that went to Hawthorn with their first

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Does Carlton have a second rounder this year? Thought that went to Hawthorn with their first

No idea, just chiming in on what I think he's worth more than spitballing any realistic trade.

 

[JackOutback]

heart says late first, head says late second

although, if the Flynn/Bwilliams one two punch continues to work out then its more likely a young Jack Williams ends up on the outer instead. Quality player, and I would hate to see him go

If someone offers us a second, you start the car. A third is more likely.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Very true and I don't think it will happen.
All I'll ask is how many of those were mature age draftees.
Just a different perspective/suggestion that is all

Cameron was only 21 when he was drafted, how many years do you think that’s going to add on to the end of his career?

Particularly since he spent the three previous years at Claremont (40 senior games, 20 reserves games and 1 state game in that time).

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

If someone offers us a second, you start the car. A third is more likely.

He's contracted, so if we value him we leverage a second or tell them to jog on.

I'd rather keep Bailey than take an extra second in this draft anyway. Unless we sorely need points.

 

[WCE777]

mini has committed to youngster this season, in particular through the middle.

A player like cameron isn't settling for mid-table, but rather ensuring the young kids in the midfield actually have service from which they can develop from.

this being said i already cant stomach the media narrative that we have to pay a first rounder lol. and i dont think we should be paying overs for a guy on the wrong side of 30.

Agree.
We need a competent ruck to actually compete on a decent level too our midfield, having decent service for the next 4 years is a good get.

It all comes down to cost, and Cameron is probably worth our 2nd round pick with 1 year left on his contract.
We don't need Cameron, Flynn, BW, Livingstone and A Reid as rucks so someone has to go.

BW maybe part of a trade or separate and is probably worth a late 2nd round pick.
Cameron makes sense if WC think A Reid is our next ruck in 3-4 years time.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

We really can't be offering too many first round picks for Cameron that's insane. Yes he's a star and what we need but we also need talented youth in the team as well.

 

[kane249]

Whys that. Wasn't he drafted as a mature age, then only played one game with Sydney. So only had 4 to 5 years of continuous game time rucking in the AFL putting strain on his body.
If his body stays durable he could play until he is 36/37

In our nearly four decades of existence we’ve had four players play past their 34th birthday, and two of them (Petrie and Mitchell) were only here for a season. We’ve had one play past his 35th birthday (Hurn), and none past their 36th birthday.

So I don’t think we should be banking on Darcy Cameron bucking that history.

The only rucks I can think of to still be playing at 37 in recent times are Todd Goldstein, Aaron Sandilands and Paul Salmon

Its not a realistic goal as very few achieved it

 

[Keys]

We have 3 picks inside 20 (currently 1,14,19) plus 3 later picks (32,50,73) that can be used to secure F/S and NGA talent (Walley, Evans, Banfield)

Add Allen leaving as a FA giving us another top 4 pick, then…

we could walk away with (and there’s a pathway to this) :
• Two of, in no particular order - Lindsay/Sharp/Rodriguez/Grlj/Greeves
• Another mid (Swadling or similar) and a potential KPD (Curtin or similar)
• Darcy Cameron

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• Walley, Evans and Banfield

In this instance I’d be ok getting Cameron as a 30 year old ruck given we’d be bringing in 2 very high end draftees, 2 other top 15-25 picks and 3 promising talents

Eight players in plus the promotion of Dewar to the main list, means nine players out-

• Sheed (retired)
• McGovern (retired)
• Allen (FA)
• Jamieson (delisted)
• Petruccelle (delisted)
• Barnett (paid out and delisted)
• B Williams or Flynn (traded)
• Two of Cripps, Hunt, Cole or Chesser (delisted)

Retain Bazzo, Brock, Hutchinson, Kelly, Dewar, Champion and possibly Livingstone

And we’ll have added someone (my preference is Sellwood) via the MSD who hopefully shows enough to keep if they aren’t already on an 18 month contract

Delisting Rawlinson from the rookie list also opens up a spot there which gives us a multitude of options but I can’t be arsed listing them

As a final note, if we do the above and with who we already have on the list I’m not certain we need a Phillips/Sheldrick/Robertson type to bring in as it would mean another of that Cripps/Hunt/Cole/Chesser quartet to be moved on

 

[ziad]

We have 3 picks inside 20 (currently 1,14,19) plus 3 later picks (32,50,73) that can be used to secure F/S and NGA talent (Walley, Evans, Banfield)

Add Allen leaving as a FA giving us another top 4 pick, then…

we could walk away with (and there’s a pathway to this) :
• Two of, in no particular order - Lindsay/Sharp/Rodriguez/Grlj/Greeves
• Another mid (Swadling or similar) and a potential KPD (Curtin or similar)
• Darcy Cameron
• Walley, Evans and Banfield

In this instance I’d be ok getting Cameron as a 30 year old ruck given we’d be bringing in 2 very high end draftees, 2 other top 15-25 picks and 3 promising talents

Eight players in plus the promotion of Dewar to the main list, means nine players out-

• Sheed (retired)
• McGovern (retired)
• Allen (FA)
• Jamieson (delisted)
• Petruccelle (delisted)
• Barnett (paid out and delisted)
• B Williams or Flynn (traded)
• Two of Cripps, Hunt, Cole or Chesser (delisted)

Retain Bazzo, Brock, Hutchinson, Kelly, Dewar, Champion and possibly Livingstone

And we’ll have added someone (my preference is Sellwood) via the MSD who hopefully shows enough to keep if they aren’t already on an 18 month contract

Delisting Rawlinson from the rookie list also opens up a spot there which gives us a multitude of options but I can’t be arsed listing them

As a final note, if we do the above and with who we already have on the list I’m not certain we need a Phillips/Sheldrick/Robertson type to bring in as it would mean another of that Cripps/Hunt/Cole/Chesser quartet to be moved on

Livingston seems to he out of favour (admittedly with those that see him play), but he showed quite a bit in the preseason indigenous game. Are we expecting far too much from a kid playing ruck?

 

[Keys]

Livingston seems to he out of favour (admittedly with those that see him play), but he showed quite a bit in the preseason indigenous game. Are we expecting far too much from a kid playing ruck?

My preference would be to keep him for another year but is dependant on whether another of our NGA players like Tylah Williams show draftable qualities

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

We're always so optimistic about our trade & draft potential at this time of year.

Expectation: Allen FA for pick 2
Reality: Allen extends, struggles with knees for the rest of his career and we end up playing 4 KPF just to fit everyone into the side.

Expectation: Gun mid at pick 1, get a slider like Rodriguez with hawks R1
Reality: Trade down pick 1 for 10 & 15, use it to draft a ruck and a half back. Hawks R1 blows out to pick 28.

Expectation: Trade our loose change of draft picks for GC's pick 5
Reality: GC trades for something shait, much less than what we thought we would give them. We moan how Vic clubs are exploiting GC

 

[Tyberious Funk]

What would?

JWill? Cost us a pick in the 40s or something and it's the one position were are flush in.

Turning him into arguably the 2nd best ruckman the league for 4-5 years would be worth it.

We're going to trade Jack Williams for Tristan Xerri?

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat... just not sure how Collingwood would be involved.