List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Elite Pete]

Now the fans are getting the blame? Don’t think I read anywhere where Tim blamed it on the fans. Perfect timing with Warner looking at coming home and it would take another haul to get it done.

 

[mat11]

Now the fans are getting the blame? Don’t think I read anywhere where Tim blamed it on the fans. Perfect timing with Warner looking at coming home and it would take another haul to get it done.

Baker will be in the same boat. He was a great acquisition but we payed too much for him and now he'll wear the burden of that for a while I'm afraid.

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[FatPizza]

Baker will be in the same boat. He was a great acquisition but we payed too much for him and now he'll wear the burden of that for a while I'm afraid.

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I figured people would care a bit less about how the trade went down after the way the draft actually went. [emoji1745]

 

[Byron_Clanger]

The only thing about American sports that I wish we grabbed on to was holding the idiots in the front office accountable for these club torpedoing type deals. I ain't gonna blame Kelly and Baker for wanting to come home and play for West Coast. But we got absolutely rodgered in the Kelly deal and lucked out with a great draft hand from the Baker deals and with Warner on the horizon we're gonna be in for more pain.

Say goodbye to half a decade worth of first rounders if we win out on Warner and we'll just bend over and take it because we always do.

 

[mat11]

I figured people would care a bit less about how the trade went down after the way the draft actually went. [emoji1745]

I've moved on but some won't for a long time.

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[WCE777]

I figured people would care a bit less about how the trade went down after the way the draft actually went. [emoji1745]

2 big issues/differences in the discussion about Kelly and Baker, no matter what time Kelly finishes his career and what accolades he receives or how he is held within the club or not the amount of draft capital and salary that Kelly cost has been far superior to any player traded to the club. Big draft capital and big money, Kelly has been a solid player and played well for several years and been 1 of the most consistent thru the injury years etc. but what he hasn't been is a leader of men and standards imo.
Baker will be judged when he ends his career but the 2 glaring differences is Baker never cost WC the draft capital and salary Kelly has, Baker is a standards leader and a leader of men, hasn't played a game but already in the leadership group, I suspect he will be a very solid contributor to our team over his time and maybe more but that will be in the future to judge.
Warner on the other hand is a different beast, better than Kelly and Baker in ability will need to pay a decent draft capital price and fair enough he will be 24 when he gets here at the top of his powers and will demand a premium salary, all in context not in the same category as Kelly was paid in context of what Kelly has been paid over his contract and what likely Warner will be paid imo.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Now the fans are getting the blame? Don’t think I read anywhere where Tim blamed it on the fans. Perfect timing with Warner looking at coming home and it would take another haul to get it done.View attachment 2224935

What a load of garbage. It is not as if Kelly has been getting booed by fans. He is generally seen as having underperformed relative to what we paid for him but he doesn't cop a lot of seriously negative commentary from supporters.

Any half intelligent person would assume that Kelly's recent disinterest in football probably stems from things hapenning in his own personal life and his own unique psychology as a person more so than anything club supporters have said about him on football forums.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I pretty sure that was Kelly being honest, let’s see what under a new coach/new environment brings

 

[amazingjoshy]

I pretty sure that was Kelly being honest, let’s see what under a new coach/new environment brings

Can see why players normally interview like robots

Mountain out of molehill stuff this.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Can see why players normally interview like robots

Mountain out of molehill stuff this.

100%.

Surprisingly it's not fun getting thrashed every week. Especially when you're getting blamed by some, when you've done nothing wrong.

 

[WCErevival]

Just because he lost his passion doesn't mean he won't do his job properly. It is his career at the end of the day.

 

[Astro7]

Just because he lost his passion doesn't mean he won't do his job properly. It is his career at the end of the day.

It comes as no surprise really, given the load he has had to carry over the last few years, one of the few that was always been out there on a regular basis. Paid his dues in my books, he's just being honest and the emphasis should be on that he wants to turn it around and enjoy his footy again. Not all his fault, some of the blame falls on Simmo, coaching and outside factors. Also not all players are leaders, strikes me as more of an introvert type. If he does find his passion again with the new boys, coach and game style, it's a big win and an extra weapon...bring it on TK!

 

[Elite Pete]

2 big issues/differences in the discussion about Kelly and Baker, no matter what time Kelly finishes his career and what accolades he receives or how he is held within the club or not the amount of draft capital and salary that Kelly cost has been far superior to any player traded to the club. Big draft capital and big money, Kelly has been a solid player and played well for several years and been 1 of the most consistent thru the injury years etc. but what he hasn't been is a leader of men and standards imo.
Baker will be judged when he ends his career but the 2 glaring differences is Baker never cost WC the draft capital and salary Kelly has, Baker is a standards leader and a leader of men, hasn't played a game but already in the leadership group, I suspect he will be a very solid contributor to our team over his time and maybe more but that will be in the future to judge.
Warner on the other hand is a different beast, better than Kelly and Baker in ability will need to pay a decent draft capital price and fair enough he will be 24 when he gets here at the top of his powers and will demand a premium salary, all in context not in the same category as Kelly was paid in context of what Kelly has been paid over his contract and what likely Warner will be paid imo.

Kelly at the time of the trade was a beast and probably considered just as high as Warner. Top 5 Brownlow, AA and just came off a 3 goal 31 disp Prelim.

 

[Elite Pete]

 

[Cuzz09]

We've got a heap of big bodies mids we really shouldn't be bullied in there anymore

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[Doashuey]

The only thing about American sports that I wish we grabbed on to was holding the idiots in the front office accountable for these club torpedoing type deals. I ain't gonna blame Kelly and Baker for wanting to come home and play for West Coast. But we got absolutely rodgered in the Kelly deal and lucked out with a great draft hand from the Baker deals and with Warner on the horizon we're gonna be in for more pain.

Say goodbye to half a decade worth of first rounders if we win out on Warner and we'll just bend over and take it because we always do.

We are giving up 5 first rounders for Warner now?

Nice melt.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Kelly at the time of the trade was a beast and probably considered just as high as Warner. Top 5 Brownlow, AA and just came off a 3 goal 31 disp Prelim.

I get your point, but i've just done a comparison of Warner and Kelly at the same age.

 

[FKASC]

I get your point, but i've just done a comparison of Warner and Kelly at the same age.

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Way less turnovers and clangers for Kelly to be fair

 

[squashface]

I get your point, but i've just done a comparison of Warner and Kelly at the same age.

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Classic Kelly - totally invisible. What a waste of a trade. Sack Simmo and Nesbitt.

 

[WCE777]

Kelly at the time of the trade was a beast and probably considered just as high as Warner. Top 5 Brownlow, AA and just came off a 3 goal 31 disp Prelim.

Not doubting that at all, as I also said he has been 1 of our most consistent players through the injury years and been a solid contributor. His cost to WC has been significant and while I don't expect WC to go there again with the draft capital and salary for another player.
I was comparing his value to Baker trade and potential Warner trade and the what they can bring to the club, neither have played a game yet and 1 hasn't been traded but the Baker trade and value gets constantly mentioned as too much but pails in comparison to the Kelly trade.
They both bring different things and Baker will be judged at the end of his contract but already not playing a game he is setting training standards, being a leader of men and been elevated to the leadership group.
I firmly put my hand up as a supporter of the Kelly trade at the time and since, WC where trying to win another premiership and had a throw at the stumps with bringing in a very good player in Kelly, and he has been a very good consistent player for WC ever since, but I am still in the camp that the price for Kelly deal was extraordinary draft wise and salary wise.

 

[Shmiddy15]

2 big issues/differences in the discussion about Kelly and Baker, no matter what time Kelly finishes his career and what accolades he receives or how he is held within the club or not the amount of draft capital and salary that Kelly cost has been far superior to any player traded to the club. Big draft capital and big money, Kelly has been a solid player and played well for several years and been 1 of the most consistent thru the injury years etc. but what he hasn't been is a leader of men and standards imo.
Baker will be judged when he ends his career but the 2 glaring differences is Baker never cost WC the draft capital and salary Kelly has, Baker is a standards leader and a leader of men, hasn't played a game but already in the leadership group, I suspect he will be a very solid contributor to our team over his time and maybe more but that will be in the future to judge.
Warner on the other hand is a different beast, better than Kelly and Baker in ability will need to pay a decent draft capital price and fair enough he will be 24 when he gets here at the top of his powers and will demand a premium salary, all in context not in the same category as Kelly was paid in context of what Kelly has been paid over his contract and what likely Warner will be paid imo.

Landing the guy we probably would have taken with the Baker pick with our 2nd certainly helps as well.

 

[WCE777]

Landing the guy we probably would have taken with the Baker pick with our 2nd certainly helps as well.

I am firmly in the camp of you always look at the draft/trade season at the end and evaluate then, none of us no what's going on behind the scenes or where our club is throwing darts to see who we can get but what WC did with our draft hand in 2024 and turning it into 3 experienced players and the draft haul we got was extraordinary.
They where also very aggressive in their pursuit of multiple experienced players and players to complement our list needs, Busslinger for example.
I say tick, tick, tick!
If that's how we are playing going forward I will enjoy the ride and our next premiership will be closer than those outside expect, onwards and upwards.

 

[Lia]

You would be surprised if Kelly didn't lose a bit of passion for footy considering the dumpster fire this club has been since he joined.

 

[Elite Pete]

I get your point, but i've just done a comparison of Warner and Kelly at the same age.

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Near on irrelevant. It’s all about when you buy or sell in trade game.

Kelly would’ve cost as pick 23 at this stage in his life, 2 years later buying at his possible highest price due to form.

 

[RanaNaved]

The only thing about American sports that I wish we grabbed on to was holding the idiots in the front office accountable for these club torpedoing type deals. I ain't gonna blame Kelly and Baker for wanting to come home and play for West Coast. But we got absolutely rodgered in the Kelly deal and lucked out with a great draft hand from the Baker deals and with Warner on the horizon we're gonna be in for more pain.

Say goodbye to half a decade worth of first rounders if we win out on Warner and we'll just bend over and take it because we always do.

So you've put a net win down to luck, and melted about something in the future that literally will not happen....