List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

[Keys]

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[eaglevision]

What is this boards obsession with others teams reserves players? None of those players have shown anything at AFL level.

Has the club been mediocre for so long that the supporters are now excited by WAFL-level depth?

I don’t think any of those players are “exciting” but the reality is if they are delisted it’s hard to see us not picking up the phone.

 

[Keys]

It wouldn’t surprise me if any of Erasmus, SheldricK or OOC Dev are on our list next year.

Could make a case one of that trio or someone else similar is needed on our list - early to mid 20’s midfielder with a few preseasons under their belt and some AFL experience

Question is would one of them add more than either
a) A draftee taken at the very end of the main draft or
b) Someone like Cole/Hunt/Chesser who’d have to be delisted to create the list spot

And do any of them fit into how McQualter wants us to play

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

His problem is in two parts.

1. His disposal by foot is poor.
2. When he steps up to the next level his footy IQ lets him down.

Classic case at this stage of too good for WAFL, not good enough for AFL. Where our list is at he's probably worth a list spot but he's nowhere near what we're really chasing.

The big difference between say Erasmus & Chesser vs Johnson is that Johnson reads the play at an AFL level.

I feel like what has happened with Erasmus is similar to what we have seen on our list a fair bit 2016-2020.

Erasmus is an inside mid who looks sub par when forced to play out of position at half forward or wing at AFL level.

I’d also say Fremantle’s stop/start/switch game style is unsuited to Erasmus.

At the very least Erasmus would be a 30+ WAfL player every week to help flesh out our WAFL.

 

[Rowan18]

Sinn’s come on this year, no way he’s getting delisted.

Has he? I try and avoid watching Port as much as possible!

Maybe there's hope for Chesser yet.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

What is this boards obsession with others teams reserves players? None of those players have shown anything at AFL level.

Has the club been mediocre for so long that the supporters are now excited by WAFL-level depth?

If we want to become competitive again we need to do two things, increase the ceiling that we are able to play at ( which you go through acquiring talent) and loft the floor of how bad we can be (which is about improving our depth).

We need to do both things at the same time. It’s easier and quicker to lift our floor via acquiring oppo depth and role players, the sell being there is more opportunity with us than their current club.

Increasing the ceiling is a more medium term thing that you can only do via the draft which requires long development phase, or via trade which includes offloading significant draft capital to get a trade done.

We need to stroke the right balance but turning up your nose at moneyball/depth trades is very haughty for a supporter of a club that has one 10 of the last 80.

 

[eaglevision]

Could make a case one of that trio or someone else similar is needed on our list - early to mid 20’s midfielder with a few preseasons under their belt and some AFL experience

Question is would one of them add more than either
a) A draftee taken at the very end of the main draft or
b) Someone like Cole/Hunt/Chesser who’d have to be delisted to create the list spot

And do any of them fit into how McQualter wants us to play

Last year other than Sheldrick I would have said take the draft pick (which we still left on the shelf anyway and pick 70 Zak Johnson will show just how deep that draft was). This year with the NGAs I think it’s a decision of the above vs Chesser.

Cole, Hunt (and Petch) I hope we delist or even better they get a FA bid.

 

[garlic munchers]

I don't see what Parfitt offers that Graham doesn't already. We don't need both.

Then play Parfitt in Owies place with the odd midfield run .... clearly a better and more versatile player than Owies.

In all sincerity, Owies would be a great addition to the Beagles fwd structure.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

If we want to become competitive again we need to do two things, increase the ceiling that we are able to play at ( which you go through acquiring talent) and loft the floor of how bad we can be (which is about improving our depth).

We need to do both things at the same time. It’s easier and quicker to lift our floor via acquiring oppo depth and role players, the sell being there is more opportunity with us than their current club.

Increasing the ceiling is a more medium term thing that you can only do via the draft which requires long development phase, or via trade which includes offloading significant draft capital to get a trade done.

We need to stroke the right balance but turning up your nose at moneyball/depth trades is very haughty for a supporter of a club that has one 10 of the last 80.

Bringing in non-AFL standard players doesn't lift the floor, it just clogs the list.

Mids who can't crack a game at their respective teams, or when they do have Chesser-like stats and impact, aren't moneyball. They're just not AFL standard footballers.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Bringing in non-AFL standard players doesn't lift the floor, it just clogs the list.

Mids who can't crack a game at their respective teams, or when they do have Chesser-like stats and impact, aren't moneyball. They're just not AFL standard footballers.

Yes it does, becuase your assumption is we don’t have non afl players on our list?

Let me put it to you, is Erasmus better than the 42nd best player on our list?

If the answer is yes then cutting that payer and replacing them with Erasmus is by its very nature improving our list.

 

[Keys]

Last year other than Sheldrick I would have said take the draft pick (which we still left on the shelf anyway and pick 70 Zak Johnson will show just how deep that draft was). This year with the NGAs I think it’s a decision of the above vs Chesser.

Cole, Hunt (and Petch) I hope we delist or even better they get a FA bid.

Hunt and Petruccelle I agree should be moved on

Cole I’m leaning towards keeping as he provides mature depth and is important around the club

Reserving judgement on Chesser until he comes back in a few weeks to see if he has a role in McQualter’s game plan - has the attributes but perhaps not the IQ

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Yes it does, becuase your assumption is we don’t have non afl players on our list?

Let me put it to you, is Erasmus better than the 42nd best player on our list?

If the answer is yes then cutting that payer and replacing them with Erasmus is by its very nature improving our list.

But it's not about replacing the 42nd best player with someone who will also be the 42nd best player, is it? Just because Erasmus is slightly less shit than Rowlinson, doesn't mean he'll add anything to the team.

We are also limited to our list spots, so much so that even with our 0-win team we are get squeezed for spots if we are to use our expected draft capital as well as grab our NGA's.

You want moneyball picks? You go after the a Reidy or Moyle. Or free agent options. You don't go after Freo's version of Campbell Chesser purely because this board was hung up on those players pre-draft.

 

[Deepthroat]

Another ordinary game

Could make a case one of that trio or someone else similar is needed on our list - early to mid 20’s midfielder with a few preseasons under their belt and some AFL experience

Question is would one of them add more than either
a) A draftee taken at the very end of the main draft or
b) Someone like Cole/Hunt/Chesser who’d have to be delisted to create the list spot

And do any of them fit into how McQualter wants us to play

All three of Erasmus, Sheldrick & Robertson would be in our Top 10 of our B&F this year.

No brainer.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

But it's not about replacing the 42nd best player with someone who will also be the 42nd best player, is it? Just because Erasmus is slightly less shit than Rowlinson, doesn't mean he'll add anything to the team.

We are also limited to our list spots, so much so that even with our 0-win team we are get squeezed for spots if we are to use our expected draft capital as well as grab our NGA's.

You want moneyball picks? You go after the a Reidy or Moyle. Or free agent options. You don't go after Freo's version of Campbell Chesser purely because this board was hung up on those players pre-draft.M

Erasmus wouldn’t be the 42nd best player on our list. He’d somewhere in the lower end of the top 30 on our list.

It he was on our list he likely plays as a starting mid in our team last weekend

We need midfield talent and depth.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

What are the reasons not to take Parfitt?

There's a few good rucks in that lucky dip. We should keep trying and see if we can jag a good one. No point filling our midfield full of filler.

 

[Deepthroat]

Erasmus wouldn’t be the 42nd best player on our list. He’d somewhere in the lower end of the top 30 on our list.

It he was on our list he likely plays as a starting mid in our team last weekend

We need midfield talent and depth.

He'd be in our best 22 easily.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

He'd be in our best 22 easily.

If Tom Gross got the numbers in the WAFL Erasmus did daddy eyes and everyone else on our board would be outside lathlain with pitchforks if he wasn’t selected in the AFL team.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

If Tom Gross got the numbers in the WAFL Erasmus did daddy eyes and everyone else on our board would be outside lathlain with pitchforks if he wasn’t selected in the AFL team.

Gross would be getting those types of numbers if he was 4 years in and playing for a competent side

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Gross would be getting those types of numbers if he was 4 years in and playing for a competent side

Sure, but he’s not, and we need to get back to being competitive as quickly as possible.

Having a list with such little quality of talent is a bad thing. Training quality is worse, your performance on the weekend is worse because the quality around you is lower.

Players like Gross, Grego and Hall would be better for having better players around them.

The best way to drive improvement is competition for spots.

It’s such a no brainer.

 

[maxrm]

I remember one of Twomey’s final phantom drafts that year had us selecting Wanganeen-Milera and I was really hoping it would eventuate but alas the Saints nabbed him just before our pick (they like doing that, don’t they?) and now it’s just painful to imagine what could have been

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Sure, but he’s not, and we need to get back to being competitive as quickly as possible.

Having a list with such little quality of talent is a bad thing. Training quality is worse, your performance on the weekend is worse because the quality around you is lower.

Players like Gross, Grego and Hall would be better for having better players around them.

The best way to drive improvement is competition for spots.

It’s such a no brainer.

No disagreements there raz, Brodie and someone like Hughes would make our wafl team a heck of a lot better

 

[WCE777]

Sure, but he’s not, and we need to get back to being competitive as quickly as possible.

Having a list with such little quality of talent is a bad thing. Training quality is worse, your performance on the weekend is worse because the quality around you is lower.

Players like Gross, Grego and Hall would be better for having better players around them.

The best way to drive improvement is competition for spots.

It’s such a no brainer.

I can see a situation where if Chesser is delisted we offer Erasmus a contract, albeit a rookie or small contract to be depth or top end WAFL player.
I guess the question is has a MSD option appeared that is better than Erasmus in our team like Tom Evans?

 

[Elite Pete]

Why do people want Parfitt? He’s just another fringe level AFL player that would be taking midfield minutes away from kids. Do you guys really want to see a Kelly, Parfitt and Graham midfield rotation, lol? I get it’s painful now but getting games into the kids is a priority, remember we still have Yeo as well. That’s Yeo, Kelly and Graham as senior mids, you bring in another one and there’s no chance Gross, Hall, Greggo, Allan develop quicker.

It’s pretty simple.

Because you can see what Richmond are doing. Nank, Taranto, Hopper and McIntosh, Having a midfield that can win the ball and move it helps all the young players develop and every position.

The reality is Hutchinson, Hall, Gross, Grego should be all learning their midfield craft in the Magoos or off a hbf or hff in
The afl. Come up and play in the midfield I’m pinched if needed.

Hewett, Harley, Yeo, Hough and Kelly as the main stay mids. Yeo never on the park, Harley wasn’t fit enough, Kelly form is down and might not be at the club next year, can Hough make it in there? and Hewett would probably be working to get his midfield minutes up. 3 of those are 22yo and younger, so the young guys are in there and developing. The ones who are probably ready to be in there at AFL level

Graham is a hff who can pinch hit in there and play defensive mid if needed.

The coaches would find the midfield minutes for the 22yo and below and help develop them. They shouldn’t be the ones doing the heavy lifting.

Is that player Parfitt? Os there better out there? Who knows but everyone should be able to see how bad that midfield is atm. Any help in there helps the whole team. Archer, Long, Brockman, JWill see more of the ball coming in. Ginbey, Maric ideally see less of it and it comes in with more pressure on it so their player isn’t getting spotted up as easily.

 

[westcoastin]

Why do people want Parfitt? He’s just another fringe level AFL player that would be taking midfield minutes away from kids. Do you guys really want to see a Kelly, Parfitt and Graham midfield rotation, lol? I get it’s painful now but getting games into the kids is a priority, remember we still have Yeo as well. That’s Yeo, Kelly and Graham as senior mids, you bring in another one and there’s no chance Gross, Hall, Greggo, Allan develop quicker.

Mark Stone was interviewed by Duffield yesterday morning and said, although the AFL clubs keep their cards close to their chest, he is preparing for Parfitt not to be at the Demons for the 2nd half of year. He said the one thing that really impresses him about Parfitt is his ability to cover ground, and at speed. He said that Parfitt possesses the important AFL trait of being able to easily get to every single contest.

I guess the MSD boils down to whether we want a short stop-gap solution to try and stem the bleeding in clearances (most notably centre clearances) and provide more support to our young mids as they continue to develop, or whether we'd rather look to the future and use it as an opportunity to pick up another high-performing youngster (eg Burmeister).

If Yeo was fit, I doubt we'd even be having this discussion of a Parfitt or a Brew.

 

[Elite Pete]

Bringing in non-AFL standard players doesn't lift the floor, it just clogs the list.

Mids who can't crack a game at their respective teams, or when they do have Chesser-like stats and impact, aren't moneyball. They're just not AFL standard footballers.

Chol, Mass and Ginni…… Helped the Hawks after playing a lot of VFL the year before for another club. Nice short annd long term recruiting after they missed out on the big names.

Ned Long for the Pies this year…

The list goes on, every team does it and has busts as well. That’s why you have to have a good recruiting team to bring in these players who ain’t best 22 at another but fit a role at your club. Teams 5th midfielders would be our 1 or 2 atm. Especially if they are clearance mids or link mids.


Some might be for only 2-3 years before they are over taken by the players getting drafted now.

 

[Coasters7]

Bringing in non-AFL standard players doesn't lift the floor, it just clogs the list.

Mids who can't crack a game at their respective teams, or when they do have Chesser-like stats and impact, aren't moneyball. They're just not AFL standard footballers.

The other side to that is, how would you expect to get hold of best 22 AFL level players for nothing? The draft system is cooked so if we’re looking to solely fill out the list with late picks then we’ll be shit for years.

None of those players are that exciting for mine either but at least they tear up the state leagues. A lot of our reserves can’t even manage that.

So at the very least we’d make our WAFL side more competitive which in turn will help the guys with higher ceilings to grow.

Lifting the floor of the list is just as important as getting A grade talent in. So picking up “too good for WAFL and not good enough for AFL” level 22 year olds is actually an improvement on what we have currently.