Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 4.

[OneGreatClub]

Ah good old Byron.

 

[Portology]

Ah good old Byron.

Haven't read of course but is he a Yank by any chance? Many (how many?) of their election processes allow "write-in" candidates, where a voter may simply write down the name of a candidate rather than have to pick off the list.

 

[NoddyHolder]

It was not a weird question. Poster answered it very well and added some real insight to the discussion. Kudos to her

She certainly answered a very intrusive question with far more good grace than it deserved

 

[Marat]

She certainly answered a very intrusive question with far more good grace than it deserved

Matter for you Noddy if you are so small minded that you can only see my question as personal and intrusive rather than as rhetorical and intended to advance the discussion. Matter being discussed was welfare in the context of single mothers. It’s a pretty valid to ask where the primary obligation to support should fall - is it on the state, which means other taxpayers, or should it be on the father. Poster answered the question well - she’s grateful for the assistance of the state but does question whether the ease with which this assistance is given makes it too easy for fathers to evade their responsibilities

 

[NoddyHolder]

Matter for you Noddy if you are so small minded

How broad minded of you to start your response with a personal attack. Surely the strength of your rhetoric stands up without the having to start with the ad hominem attack. Joyful's post advanced the discussion - not so much your initial question that you've had to retro contextualise so pompously.

 

[Portology]

One of the greatest lessons my parents taught me and one for which I am forever grateful is that of provident living; how to work, earn and manage money, save and sacrifice. Despite my parents being relatively well off (NOT RICH) - I was never 'given' anything without working/doing chores for my modest "pocket money", I had to earn it. From an early age (12 yrs old) I worked; first on a paper route, mowing lawns, shoveling snow AND picking fruit for some of our neighbors. From what I earned I was taught and expected to contribute to the running of the household (granted, it was a token amount but increased as I got older), long term save/invest, contribute to a worthy cause and the remainder I was able to save/spend on whatever I wanted at the time. Everything I bought myself I valued and took care of. Example: I bought my first dirt bike at age 13, and took care of it washing it after every outing, learned to service it, tune it and perform basic maintenance on it. A little ditty my dad taught me "Fix it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without". He was in no way a skin flint but helped many people and families who were struggling. I'm stunned when I talk with young people today how little many of them understand about the value of work, money management, budgeting, credit and compound interest - not to mention how to do pretty basic maintenance on vehicles, homes and major appliances. Welfare is important aspect of a civilized society but should be viewed primarily as a "safety net" to be called upon in exceptional circumstances not as lifestyle choice.

Next time you're reading a newspaper over your avocado toast*, check the change in average house price/weekly income over recent decades in this country.

Even ignoring pre-existing structural factors, the ethical choices you list don't scale in the face of four decades of massive wealth shifting and rule fixing. What you're seeing from the kids is rational, to them the most likely seeming way up is to exploit holes in the system others have used, not this never ending never get there working hardery for longery.

Universal healthcare (with little regard to lifestyle choice) and "a" welfare system are both attributes of a civilized society. If automation eventually turns welfare into something more like a UBI system for the most of us, it'll work more like we expect a healthcare system work and less like a tiered, socially stigmatised safety net for "the marginalized".

So with "the carrot" removed out of reach and "the stick" mostly considered inhumane... we need new ways to motivate younger donkeys to pick up what you and I older asses might see as basic life skills

*the boomer-era guy who started that whole genre intended to parody boomers telling X-ers and millenials to work hardery with less avocadery, but it mostly wound up getting taken completely the wrong way around from his intent.

EDIT - just seen this, and yes at $1/avocado in parts of SYD it's pretty good budget eating again

Avocados dumped amid glut in domestic supply and imports from overseas

West Australian avocado growers are dumping fruit because it's not worth the cost of packing and sending it to market.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Marat]

they attacked a vaccination centre for the homeless, their leadership are racists who pose “the jewish question”, their protests are far more violent than anything i’ve ever seen from the left (pure envy tbh).

i do not support police violence, and certainly not torture. i think the main issue has been the inability to counter protest, as that is a very effective method of disempowering right wing actions, but the fact is they are genuinely causing harm and dismissing that is naive at best, but very sinister at worst.

What I find sinister are progressives who preach protest and self determination until confronted with a view they don’t share - and then it’s all coercion and waterboards

 

[FishingRick04]

Howard supercharging the return on property investments with CGT discounts didn't help.

Well to be fair is started September 25 1985. The indexation method was a horrible and complicated method. He just made it easier with the 50% discount.

 

[FishingRick04]

With Covid slowly diminishing this thread becoming a general chit chat thread?

 

[chiwigi]

What I find sinister are progressives who preach protest and self determination until confronted with a view they don’t share - and then it’s all coercion and waterboards

Similarly ironic are the right wingers who are against protest and self determination normally, (and who ACTUALLY use coercion and waterboarding) suddenly all for it.

 

[OneGreatClub]

With Covid slowly diminishing this thread becoming a general chit chat thread?

It’s not actually diminishing… in Europe, especially Eastern Europe with lower vaccination rates, it taking off like wildfire.

 

[Astronema]

What I find sinister are progressives who preach protest and self determination until confronted with a view they don’t share - and then it’s all coercion and waterboards

I find leftists who advocate torture and state violence gross too?

I also find it interesting that you are more afraid of someone posting on the internet, than a group of right wing protesters literally attacking homeless people and nurses etc.

One of those two groups is a LOT more likely to actually torture and harm

 

[Magpiespowaz]

lol

 

[Astronema]

lol

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birdsite eating its own kind

 

[Portology]

With Covid slowly diminishing this thread becoming a general chit chat thread?

Fair question, thread definitely needs a booster of some sort

 

[joyful]

She certainly answered a very intrusive question with far more good grace than it deserved

Honestly did not mind the question, actually made a refreshing change from the usual narrative surrounding single parents (particularly mothers, fathers seem to escape this criticism, but obviously have other challenges).
Whenever the topic comes up, politicians, the media, Facebook warriors all run with the same blame: ‘shouldn’t have kids if you can’t afford them’, ‘only had kids for the benefits’, ‘should have kept your legs closed’ etc.
The fact that the child has 2 parents is almost never acknowledged; single parents get dragged for being the one who stayed, while the one who left is barely given a passing thought.
I hold no affection towards my former husband and am not responsible for him; if people want to question his integrity I will not take any offence to them doing so

 

[Doctor Feel]

Pretty sure all extreme sides use coercion and waterboards. It's a bipartisan activity.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Pretty sure all extreme sides use coercion and waterboards. It's a bipartisan activity.

Speaking of which, ‘I am Pilgrim’ is one of the very best fiction books I have ever read. Edge of seat stuff.

 

[joyful]

Speaking of which, ‘I am Pilgrim’ is one of the very best fiction books I have ever read. Edge of seat stuff.

That was a brilliant book, read it earlier this year. It did make me a little uncomfortable at the idea of getting the Covid vaccine there for a bit though.... Apparently they are turning it into a movie.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

With Covid slowly diminishing this thread becoming a general chit chat thread?

Its definitely become at the very least a Covid + Politics thread.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

It’s not actually diminishing… in Europe, especially Eastern Europe with lower vaccination rates, it taking off like wildfire.

In terms of deaths/day it has at least been heading in the right direction this year (though part of that is of course due to the Jan 6 super spreader terrorist party):

 

[EskimoPAFC]

lol

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What I love most about this is its not "This tweet is a disgrace", or "The person who wrote this is a disgrace"...

I reckon this bloke is genuinely angry at Big Bird

 

[Del165198]

Take a long hard look at yourself big bird

 

[Papa G]

Its definitely become at the very least a Covid + Politics thread.

Havent seen a lot of 66 lately.
NSW getting it all under control while Vic still struggling.
Vaccination rates sky rocketing, Australia over taking many first world countries and gaining fast on others.
SA hasn't had an outbreak or indeed a community case in many many months.
Halthcare hasn't failed.

Its been a tough time for the crazed one. He did try to redirect his rage against Morrison over stating how embarrassing the Subs deal was and how "the world" was laughing at us, but nobody outside a few sad Frenchies actually cares.
His side kick keeps regurgitating from his various interwebz feeds of tiny minority nut job conspiracy groups like they are a genuine threat, and will keep doing so, it makes him happy.
Even Old Rappy's overly concerned over analysis that nobody asked for has subsided.

Its over people. The end of the world has not come. Move onto the next thing that frightens you.

 

[OneGreatClub]

That was a brilliant book, read it earlier this year. It did make me a little uncomfortable at the idea of getting the Covid vaccine there for a bit though.... Apparently they are turning it into a movie.

Yes. Was a real page turner. Look forward to the movie. With the length and complexity of it I was imagining a series in the vein of Homeland. I think he has another book being released in a few months.