Coronavirus/COVID-19

[TempletonTheRat]

Are you sure, or is this new?

On March 18 the Queensland government put in place a 14 day quarantine period for all sea freight that had left an international port since March 15 (with a few exemptions such as those coming from NZ, Singapore, PNG, and livestock carriers), which prevented any cargo ship from entering port within this time (quarantine period is served starting from the time of departure of previous port). Given the huge distruptions, since March 23 they introduced a 'two port policy' - meaning this doesn't apply to Brisbane, although it remains in place for other QLD ports.

The two port policy essentially means that cargo ships can unload in Brisbane but all on board can't leave the ship. I believe there's still some restrictions for freight coming into Brisbane within 14 days from China and South Korea.

As far as I'm aware no such measures have been put in place by any other state or territory. That of course may change over coming days and weeks.

I'll admit i'm not fully over it as it is changing so quickly - the first I heard of it was on Friday and the discussion was about deliveries into Sydney and for freight coming from Asia - other origins would meet the 14 days regardless.
(I'd have to login and check emails to get more exacts - we are getting global logistics updates daily)

 

[Chicago1]

I was able to watch the Chicago 9pm Saturday Fox32 news live a few minutes ago on my laptop.(Don't ask me how. Normally it's blocked to foreign countries. Must be specially opened for the virus.) The first baby to die in the US passed away in a Chicago hospital.

 

[Sentinel]

I'll admit i'm not fully over it as it is changing so quickly - the first I heard of it was on Friday and the discussion was about deliveries into Sydney and for freight coming from Asia - other origins would meet the 14 days regardless.
(I'd have to login and check emails to get more exacts - we are getting global logistics updates daily)

Right - my understanding is the nationwide 14 day mandatory period only applies to freight coming from/via China (which I forgot to mention in my last post), and that's been in place since the start of February, so I'd imagine the vessels carrying your goods must have transited through there if they're being held up.

As far as I know, unless things have changed in the last couple of days, all other vessels are allowed to dock without delay.

 

[dogwatch]

Right - my understanding is the nationwide 14 day mandatory period only applies to freight coming from/via China (which I forgot to mention in my last post), and that's been in place since the start of February, so I'd imagine the vessels carrying your goods must have transited through there if they're being held up.

As far as I know, unless things have changed in the last couple of days, all other vessels are allowed to dock without delay.

Well that's pretty hard to explain (if the China stats are to be believed, which is a bit of a stretch). China is not the main problem at the moment. It's Europe and the USA. I guess it takes longer than 14 days for ships to reach Australia from those countries.

However we will still need to confirm that there has been NO sickness or fever on board those ships for the last 14 days. Who is doing the tests? I hope not the same people who let the Ruby Princess passengers swarm off. We can never again take the word of the shipping line or the ship's doctors.

 

[TempletonTheRat]

It's Europe and the USA. I guess it takes longer than 14 days for ships to reach Australia from those countries.

yes - like 6 weeks and 4 weeks - Edit: to the east coast

 

[Sentinel]

Well that's pretty hard to explain (if the China stats are to be believed, which is a bit of a stretch). China is not the main problem at the moment. It's Europe and the USA. I guess it takes longer than 14 days for ships to reach Australia from those countries.

However we will still need to confirm that there has been NO sickness or fever on board those ships for the last 14 days. Who is doing the tests? I hope not the same people who let the Ruby Princess passengers swarm off. We can never again take the word of the shipping line or the ship's doctors.

Fear not - this relates only to cargo ships actually docking in port and loading/unloading containers. The 14 day mandatory quarantine period still applies for anyone on board who wants to get off the vessel, regardless of where they've come from (AFAIK), so they all just stay on board - it's worth noting though that this period starts from the date the vessel departs its previous port, not when it arrives in Australia.

There's also a checklist for all sea masters to answer which is supposed to prevent even docking within that 2 week period if anyone on board has symptoms, regardless of whether no one was planning to get off.

Furthermore, no shipping line from Europe or USA will arrive within 14 days of leaving those areas.

The absurd and irresponsible handling of the cruise ships is another story entirely.

 

[Mutt]

It’s not above the common flu rate at all

It’s just that a very high percentage that have been tested(that is extraordinarily low) have tested positive which is skewing the figures.
The only people being tested are people who have a high chance of already having it. It’s like tested all obese people over 40 and finding a high percentage of diabetes them screaming epidemic.

I’ve no more than 5 mins ago read a report in the time’s that states exactly this. I’m sure someone will call me a liar but google this and use your common sense. It is yet to kill ONE SINGLE young healthy person

And I’m in no means trying to say it’s not an issue but closing the world down when it really is only effecting the old and sick is ridiculous, why don’t they have them quarantined and the rest of the world can carry on? What is really going on here coz this makes zero logical sense? And if it’s so bad why not close every bloody border until it’s dealt with?

I have a month holiday booked in late April and every one I’ve spoken to said there is still no reason not to go.

It’s also worth noting that anyone that dies that does test positive is automatically counted as a death from Coronavirus when they simply could have just passed away at an old age

If you aren’t old and/or so ck there is more chance of you dying of the common flu so why do we all need to be locked up and not just the people it will effect ? Surely these people should be doing that of their own accord already?

If I’m a very low chance of ended up in the hospital bed why am I staying inside? This logic is just baffling to me If I’m honest.

1-And I’ve just told you the reason those figures are incorrect and the actual rate is around 1% and that is from a very low testing figure that I have no pointed out 3 times by you seem to want to ignore.

3- yes you bloody well can if you know this will kill them

5- the world doesn’t revolve around young and healthy but it stops for the old and sick????! Ummmmmm okey dokey

Agree to disagree and enjoy hiding in your house while I’m cruising the Caribbean(ps now I’m more likely to die after this but at least BF will be happy

These are some of your quotes from just the first page of this thread. I'd suggest you just stop posting about this subject right now. You and Donald trump are part of the problem and for exactly the same reasons. Nobody should follow your advice.

 

[jaxie1]

John Howard did more about gun laws.

he also took us to Iraq

 

[Mattdougie]

These are some of your quotes from just the first page of this thread. I'd suggest you just stop posting about this subject right now. You and Donald trump are part of the problem and for exactly the same reasons. Nobody should follow your advice.

Really?? Threatening to ban me because why? I haven’t seen you warn anyone else that said similar weeks ago?

Great moderating and nothing to do with your personal dislike of me at all is it ?

And they were my comments nearly 3 weeks ago and a lot has happened since then hasn’t it?

And pray tell what ADVICE have I attempted to give anyone on here? In fact don’t bother I have no interest In anything you have to say.

Stay safe

 

[Optimistic Dog]

If you want someone to do a lockdown I would employ Libba Snr just ask Paul Kelly/

 

[Igloo]

I was going to send a longer version of this to Bev & the Bulldogs, and to North Melbourne FC, prior to the Good Friday game but it seems superfluous now.

My daughter Josie got very ill in 2017 and I had to pretty much live in the ICU ward of the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne. Her heart got attacked by a virus/bacteria , possibly the flu, though we'll never know because she was too damaged to take a biopsy. At one stage she had forty doctors working on her. She was put on a special treatment called extra corporeal life support (ECMO) that requires 24 hour, extremely vigilant care from a specialist team of doctors & nurses. Machines do the work of your heart & lungs & circulatory system because your whole body has been overwhelmed by a virus.

There were a few patients on ECMO but not many because it's incredibly expensive & labour intensive. When Josie was first brought in, the doctors in ICU debated the wisdom of even bothering to treat her because she was so far gone from the heart attack. Some of the doctors thought she should be left to die; others thought she was pretty hopeless but she should be given the ECMO chance. Thankfully the latter won the day. Some coronavirus patients in the UK are currently on ECMO; it probably costs a million pounds a day per a handful of patients. If you are in the UK, thank you so much for paying your taxes & national health insurance. You saved peoples lives, and you continue to do so every day.

I'm a former patient at the RCH who also underwent ECMO back in 2003. I think there were less than 10 ECMO qualified doctors and nurses working in the ICU unit at the time. Just wanted to say i'm glad your daughter is alright now, and that she has a happy and healthy life. The staff at the RCH are a very underappreciated part of our society. From the outside looking in most are aware that it's a great hospital. But when on the inside you sadly get to see the magic that they work.

 

[Mattdougie]

I'm a former patient at the RCH who also underwent ECMO back in 2003. I think there were less than 10 ECMO qualified doctors and nurses working in the ICU unit at the time. Just wanted to say i'm glad your daughter is alright now, and that she has a happy and healthy life. The staff at the RCH are a very underappreciated part of our society. From the outside looking in most are aware that it's a great hospital. But when on the inside you sadly get to see the magic that they work.

Yes they saved my life in 1974 when I was born with two holes in the heart and Parents were told I had a very Small chance of survival.

Brilliant place, full of magnificent people who do a job I couldn’t fathom to even attempt.

I give us much as I can to every Easter appeal and it’s not even close to what I should be giving them in repayment

 

[Mutt]

Really?? Threatening to ban me because why? I haven’t seen you warn anyone else that said similar weeks ago?

Great moderating and nothing to do with your personal dislike of me at all is it ?

And they were my comments nearly 3 weeks ago and a lot has happened since then hasn’t it?

And pray tell what ADVICE have I attempted to give anyone on here? In fact don’t bother I have no interest In anything you have to say.

Stay safe

I haven't threatened to ban you.

 

[TempletonTheRat]

i'll just leave this here

 

[bresker]

I'm a former patient at the RCH who also underwent ECMO back in 2003. I think there were less than 10 ECMO qualified doctors and nurses working in the ICU unit at the time. Just wanted to say i'm glad your daughter is alright now, and that she has a happy and healthy life. The staff at the RCH are a very underappreciated part of our society. From the outside looking in most are aware that it's a great hospital. But when on the inside you sadly get to see the magic that they work.

Wow you & my daughter are in a small group of people - 10,000 worldwide survivors in my understanding. Hope you're in good health now. My daughter is much, much better than the doctors predicted. Externally you wouldn't think there's anything wrong with her. Though we're isolating her well away at the moment.

 

[LittleG]

USA - The Land of the Free Virus

It’s about to get much worse over there. Much much much worse. Perhaps it will be the first place to develop societal immunity in the world, since everyone will get it.

 

[Mattdougie]

Wow you & my daughter are in a small group of people - 10,000 worldwide survivors in my understanding. Hope you're in good health now. My daughter is much, much better than the doctors predicted. Externally you wouldn't think there's anything wrong with her. Though we're isolating her well away at the moment.

Does she have any limitations To her life due to the condition?

Protect your little one with everything you have mate

 

[Pugz89]

He was appealing to his Evangelical base. Of which we really should not belong to considering he has admitted to not being religious previously and not being able to site a single verse from the bible. ‘They are all good’ I think his answer was to name his favourite verse.

Trump is a sign of where American society is at.

All-in-brawls at Woollies over toilet paper and ‘Go Sharkies’ represents where Australia currently sits.

Personally I think social media has transformed western society into a narcissist, moronic s**t fight.

Maybe so, but you can't blame Trump for that. I get it, 'everyone' hates him for everything that is wrong in the world (along with Scomo) but geez, every one of the world leaders is doing their best. Nobody knows the perfect solution, but if you believe Trump is rooting for deaths and sickness, then I think you need to re-assess your thoughts.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Maybe so, but you can't blame Trump for that. I get it, 'everyone' hates him for everything that is wrong in the world (along with Scomo) but geez, every one of the world leaders is doing their best. Nobody knows the perfect solution, but if you believe Trump is rooting for deaths and sickness, then I think you need to re-assess your thoughts.

I think Trump wanted to be the President, because of the power and to carry out his simplistic solutions to complex problems. What Trump still doesn’t get is that the Presidency comes with great responsibility.

He was advised back in January about this pandemic, but chose to ignore it, not based on any scientific theory or statistics, just his own opinion. Millions of people will potentially die because he is a narcissist that thinks he know better than ‘scientists’, he is not doing his best, he is doing his worse.

 

[Mattdougie]

I think Trump wanted to be the President, because of the power and to carry out his simplistic solutions to complex problems. What Trump still doesn’t get is that the Presidency comes with great responsibility.

He was advised back in January about this pandemic, but chose to ignore it, not based on any scientific theory or statistics, just his own opinion. Millions of people will potentially die because he is a narcissist that thinks he know better than ‘scientists’, he is not doing his best, he is doing his worse.

You can’t think that Trump and Trump alone makes the decisions for the US.

Regardless how big a knob he isn’t beyond beyond pulled into line by his advisors with something so serious and like here governors have had the ability to over rule him and lock joints down.

 

[LittleG]

You can’t think that Trump and Trump alone makes the decisions for the US.

Regardless how big a knob he isn’t beyond beyond pulled into line by his advisors with something so serious and like here governors have had the ability to over rule him and lock joints down.

Trump fired most good advisors. The last spokesperson to tell the truth about Covid-19 just got sidelined too (not fired yet). His war on truth and science is well known.

So many countries in the world shifted to the right amidst a war on science and truth. I like science, a lot and hated the war. Now, things will shift again as we pick up the pieces.

 

[bresker]

Does she have any limitations To her life due to the condition?

Protect your little one with everything you have mate

Her type of condition , a massive left ventrical heart attack, is so rare that hardly any kids have it; any who do presumbly die before they reach hospital. The children's hospital in Melbourne is one of only 6 or 7 in the world that have the equipment to save her life, and we happen to live a 15 min drive from it. Our specialist said 'We've had one patient in the last 30 years who has had that condition, and they died,' so we don't know. Part of her heart is badly damaged but the rest of it is compensating, she may never be able to have kids or run a race, who knows.

 

[Mattdougie]

Trump fired most good advisors. The last spokesperson to tell the truth about Covid-19 just got sidelined too (not fired yet). His war on truth and science is well known.

So many countries in the world shifted to the right amidst a war on science and truth. I like science, a lot and hated the war. Now, things will shift again as we pick up the pieces.

You think the left tell the truth?

 

[Mattdougie]

Her type of condition , a massive left ventrical heart attack, is so rare that hardly any kids have it; any who do presumbly die before they reach hospital. The children's hospital in Melbourne is one of only 6 or 7 in the world that have the equipment to save her life, and we happen to live a 15 min drive from it. Our specialist said 'We've had one patient in the last 30 years who has had that condition, and they died,' so we don't know. Part of her heart is badly damaged but the rest of it is compensating, she may never be able to have kids or run a race, who knows.

No good at all mate

Cherish her and keep her safe I couldn’t imagine what you have All been through

 

[HahnPremium]

You think the left tell the truth?

You think career liars (politicians) of any persuasion tell the truth?
Occupational and pathological hazard of the job.
Say anything. To stay in the game.