Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 3

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 4

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[Cuzz09]

Can they just play at local grounds.

Theres no crowds so who cares.

Play at Optus Oval, Whitten Oval, morrabbin etc

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[HTT]

"WHO warns corona virus may never go away"

And why would it? Theres not going to be a vaccine. We've had a 'vaccine' for regular flu for years and thats still here.

Its not like its going to just magically disappear

Corona virus is here to stay better get used to it and go back to living our lives

Global medical experts: “There’s no certainties but we are pretty confident we will get a coronavirus vaccine, and even within the next year”
Bigpond101, Bigfooty poster: “Nah don’t believe you”

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Can they just play at local grounds.

Theres no crowds so who cares.

Play at Optus Oval, Whitten Oval, morrabbin etc

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Optus and Whitten i can't see why not, there were concerns over places where only a cyclone fence would block the view, that footy fans would crowd up at the fence and Victoria's finest would need to break out the capsicum spray and tasers, ( do they still get to use truncheons ).

 

[jackess]

Can they just play at local grounds.

Theres no crowds so who cares.

Play at Optus Oval, Whitten Oval, morrabbin etc

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Player facilities, lighting, commentary and coaches boxes, etc.

Many reasons why not

 

[madmug]

Global medical experts: “There’s no certainties but we are pretty confident we will get a coronavirus vaccine, and even within the next year”
Bigpond101, Bigfooty poster: “Nah don’t believe you”

Well, no.

He quoted WHO.

Influenza viruses mutate thus they give us a number of vaccines in one to hopefully cover what turns up here in winter.

Covid19 may end up like that is what some are saying.

 

[Cuzz09]

Player facilities, lighting, commentary and coaches boxes, etc.

Many reasons why not

Pretty sure these grounds have played games there before therefore have these facilities.

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[Sub_Zero]

Article reeks of "this would potentially not concur with the reasons we are putting forward to keep people locked up... so we're not going to allow it"

Who is being kept locked up?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Who is being kept locked up?

Australians

 

[dont bowl there]

Pretty sure these grounds have played games there before therefore have these facilities.

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Why would they want to play at grounds with substandard camera angles and playing surfaces etc. This will be made for TV so they will want to beam the best they can showcase. That’s not Whitten oval.

It would be like the NBA choosing to use D-League venues instead of NBA venues. It would look gross for no real benefits.

 

[HTT]

Well, no.

He quoted WHO.

Influenza viruses mutate thus they give us a number of vaccines in one to hopefully cover what turns up here in winter.

Covid19 may end up like that is what some are saying.

WHO is just fence sitting - ‘May not be a vaccine’. Of course there may not be a vaccine, nothing is certain. It’s not overly insightful though, much like their ‘no evidence of human to human transmission comment’. At that stage, they weren’t wrong. Not being wrong doesn’t mean it’s helpful information.

 

[jackess]

Pretty sure these grounds have played games there before therefore have these facilities.

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But if they're inferior what's the point?

 

[Roby]

There are flaws throughout this post. Firstly, Taiwan's proximity to this virus had not much to do with their preparedness for it specifically, more so their proximity and exposure to SARS years earlier, which gave them proper perspective in taking epidemics seriously and being well prepared.

Secondly, Taiwan didn't "know" anything about H2H transmission. Here is the email transcript of what they sent to the WHO "News resources today indicate that at least seven atypical pneumonia cases were reported in Wuhan, CHINA. Their health authorities replied to the media that the cases were believed not SARS; however the samples are still under examination, and cases have been isolated for treatment. I would greatly appreciate it if you have relevant information to share with us. Thank you very much in advance for your attention to this matter". You've been hoodwinked by political and media exaggeration.

The dates don't lie. Taiwan and the US didn't have a single confirmed case of covid when H2H transmission was announced. And the seriousness of the situation was not lost when China locked down Wuhan on Jan 23, then their whole country by the end of January. I don't know how anyone can claim with a straight face that places like Australia, the US or UK didn't have enough forewarning; consider what I outlined in my last post re what those countries were doing over a month after this. The dates don't lie.

I don't excuse the CCP for their actions. And I've posted before, they can't be allowed to be a player and beneficiary of a global economy and then try to hide and control the emergence of virus that threatens the global community. But I'm just repeating myself when I say render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar. If you try to blame them for outcomes that are clearly the result of other variables, you're just undermining holding them to account for what they should be held to account for. It's emotional clap trap.

I'm literally appalled by the your propaganda trail of covering up for the CCP meanwhile it's most likely 400,000 people have died from this disease and counting.

You are either coming on the forum to injury troll or you getting paid to SPREAD MISINFORMATION and MISELAD people.

I cannot fathom as someone as yourself who is inextricably linked to China as you say can miss obvious glaring DATES and TRUTHS unless you were doing it delbrately.

Your second point about Taiwan DID NOT KNOW anything about H2H transmission is incorrect. How do you get this wrong?

You put an email transcript but no date. I would assume that was an email from the 31st December? This was when China had not yet contacted the WHO officially until that date. Which is a violation of the of their agreement as a member of the WHO they need to be informed immediately. It was until when people on Wechat and Weibo were circulating info about the pneumonia outbreak on December 31st that Chinese contacted the WHO but at the same time advised anyone spreading false information on the internet could incur fines of up to $100,000 dollars.

But let's get back to Taiwan. You know the country which he CCP does not want to have sovereignty because it ain't communist and can't suppress their speech.

In mid January Taiwan's CDC went to Wuhan. They noticed that a husband attended the Wuhan Seafood Market who had tested positive to the virus, that his wife was also infected but she had not attended. They suspected that there was limiited H2H transmission. On January 15th the Taiwan CDC raised the virus to a category 5 communicable disease. Subsequently strict border controls were put in place.

Taiwan sent that email on 31st December, something I reiterate YOU OMIT. It also states "samples under investigation" "atypical pneumonia" and "isolated for treatment". So in other words a possibility of H2H transmission. Ultimately it asks "if you have relevant information to share with us". IT NEVER CAME.

Ultimately that is why Taiwan took the matter in their own hands, contacting the Chinese CDC (no response, just like the WHO), upgraded the level of contagion, secured their borders and this ALL BEFORE January 20th when the WHO finally announced that there was H2H tranmission.

You said "Taiwan did not have a confirmed case until H2H was announced". ANOTHER LIE or MISLEADING info depending on which announcement of H2H we go by, Taiwan's or the WHO? Because on the same the day, January 20th, Taiwan announced their first case. But anyway why is this important? It's not but it is important and you mentioned it as you cling to any little thing to make Taiwan look not that good and CCP not that bad.

You finally say:

"If you try to blame them for outcomes that are clearly the result of other variables, you're just undermining holding them to account for what they should be held to account for. It's emotional clap trap."

Given now that you have misinformed everyone on this forum we are to take the advice of not blaming for "other variaibles".

FACTS:

China has a history of creating contagions.

China has a history of suppressing info about said contagions. Something you OMIT IN YOUR FIRST POINT about Taiwan's preparedness for the outbreak given their experience with SARS.

China suppressed info about Covid-19, fined or reprimanded those that spoke about it.

China has threatened to tax or cease trading with Australia because we asked for a INDEPENDENT inquiry into the outbreak in China.

Countries that were prepared before the outbreak got out of hand have faired FAR BETTER than those who didn't. If the WORLD IS A COUNTRY, China's withholding of information for over a month caused the world to be FAR LESS PREPARED. So I render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar. Therefore I render on to China the full extent of the blame.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

But if they're inferior what's the point?

Its mostly the stands and spectator facilities that are inferior.
Or are we now going to hear about how good the few cm of sand on top of concrete at Marval is?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

It was the workes who reported sick but were pressured to work

Wow...
Where i work is the total opposite.
People who have a cold being told to go home and not come back until they have a negative test. ( some have argued they don't want/need it ).

When asked what happens if someone tests positive, the Managing Director said, we shut down and all get tested, and only the ones who are negative come back.

 

[Blackhawk42]

This wouldn't even be funny if the spelling was correct.

 

[madmug]

WHO is just fence sitting - ‘May not be a vaccine’. Of course there may not be a vaccine, nothing is certain. It’s not overly insightful though, much like their ‘no evidence of human to human transmission comment’. At that stage, they weren’t wrong. Not being wrong doesn’t mean it’s helpful information.

Mate, I replied to your critical post showing their was thinking that we may not get a vaccine. It wasn't necessarily his personal opinion. It's an opinion that has legs in the medical world. Not to say we won't, but that we might not. I think a truth such as that, fence sitting as you call it, is better than continual blind promotion of untested substances & methods by the leader in the WH & him arguing against the scientific consensus on how to go about reopening the US economy.

Anyway, I simply pointed that WHO had made the point/warning. Then you go off on a defensive tangent when their was no need.

 

[HTT]

Mate, I replied to your critical post showing their was thinking that we may not get a vaccine. It wasn't necessarily his personal opinion. It's an opinion that has legs in the medical world. Not to say we won't, but that we might not. I think a truth such as that, fence sitting as you call it, is better than continual blind promotion of untested substances & methods by the leader in the WH & him arguing against the scientific consensus on how to go about reopening the US economy.

Anyway, I simply pointed that WHO had made the point/warning. Then you go off on a defensive tangent when their was no need.

Sorry, I was wrong, this is his opinion

There's not going to be a corona virus vaccine

 

[Ok Boomer]

Nice grammar you absolute dunce.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

This wouldn't even be funny if the spelling was correct.

Nice grammar you absolute dunce.

Your replies are hilarious.

 

[rumply]

Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down state's stay-at-home order

The Wisconsin Supreme Court has overturned the state's stay-at-home order, ruling it "unlawful" and "unenforceable" in a high-profile win for the state's Republican-led Legislature.

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The Wisconsin Supreme Court has overturned the state's stay-at-home order, ruling it "unlawful" and "unenforceable" in a high-profile win for the state's Republican-led Legislature.
In a 4-3 decision Wednesday, the court ruled that Democratic Gov. Tony Evers' administration overstepped its authority when the state Department of Health Services extended the order to May 26.

 

[Keays2myBeamas]

Why would they want to play at grounds with substandard camera angles and playing surfaces etc. This will be made for TV so they will want to beam the best they can showcase. That’s not Whitten oval.

It would be like the NBA choosing to use D-League venues instead of NBA venues. It would look gross for no real benefits.

Wouldn't look as gross as Marvel after 16 weeks of 5 games per week.

 

[Bestbird]

I'm literally appalled by the your propaganda trail of covering up for the CCP meanwhile it's most likely 400,000 people have died from this disease and counting.

You are either coming on the forum to injury troll or you getting paid to SPREAD MISINFORMATION and MISELAD people.

I cannot fathom as someone as yourself who is inextricably linked to China as you say can miss obvious glaring DATES and TRUTHS unless you were doing it delbrately.

Your second point about Taiwan DID NOT KNOW anything about H2H transmission is incorrect. How do you get this wrong?

You put an email transcript but no date. I would assume that was an email from the 31st December? This was when China had not yet contacted the WHO officially until that date. Which is a violation of the of their agreement as a member of the WHO they need to be informed immediately. It was until when people on Wechat and Weibo were circulating info about the pneumonia outbreak on December 31st that Chinese contacted the WHO but at the same time advised anyone spreading false information on the internet could incur fines of up to $100,000 dollars.

But let's get back to Taiwan. You know the country which he CCP does not want to have sovereignty because it ain't communist and can't suppress their speech.

In mid January Taiwan's CDC went to Wuhan. They noticed that a husband attended the Wuhan Seafood Market who had tested positive to the virus, that his wife was also infected but she had not attended. They suspected that there was limiited H2H transmission. On January 15th the Taiwan CDC raised the virus to a category 5 communicable disease. Subsequently strict border controls were put in place.

Taiwan sent that email on 31st December, something I reiterate YOU OMIT. It also states "samples under investigation" "atypical pneumonia" and "isolated for treatment". So in other words a possibility of H2H transmission. Ultimately it asks "if you have relevant information to share with us". IT NEVER CAME.

Ultimately that is why Taiwan took the matter in their own hands, contacting the Chinese CDC (no response, just like the WHO), upgraded the level of contagion, secured their borders and this ALL BEFORE January 20th when the WHO finally announced that there was H2H tranmission.

You said "Taiwan did not have a confirmed case until H2H was announced". ANOTHER LIE or MISLEADING info depending on which announcement of H2H we go by, Taiwan's or the WHO? Because on the same the day, January 20th, Taiwan announced their first case. But anyway why is this important? It's not but it is important and you mentioned it as you cling to any little thing to make Taiwan look not that good and CCP not that bad.

You finally say:

"If you try to blame them for outcomes that are clearly the result of other variables, you're just undermining holding them to account for what they should be held to account for. It's emotional clap trap."

Given now that you have misinformed everyone on this forum we are to take the advice of not blaming for "other variaibles".

FACTS:

China has a history of creating contagions.

China has a history of suppressing info about said contagions. Something you OMIT IN YOUR FIRST POINT about Taiwan's preparedness for the outbreak given their experience with SARS.

China suppressed info about Covid-19, fined or reprimanded those that spoke about it.

China has threatened to tax or cease trading with Australia because we asked for a INDEPENDENT inquiry into the outbreak in China.

Countries that were prepared before the outbreak got out of hand have faired FAR BETTER than those who didn't. If the WORLD IS A COUNTRY, China's withholding of information for over a month caused the world to be FAR LESS PREPARED. So I render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar. Therefore I render on to China the full extent of the blame.

I think China at the start tried to contain the virus and information about it but by Mid to Late January there were plenty of media reports showing it was very obvious that it was a highly contagious virus given the vision of trying to build a hospital in 10 days and the Lockdown of an entire province. Some Asian nations like Taiwan and Vietnam started taking actions similar to what was happening in China at the point.

Meanwhile the rest the World despite seeing all the vision and media reports still didn't take it serious enough till Mid March. A full 6 weeks later, you still had the PM wanting to go the Rugby on the 13.3.20 as an example

 

[dont bowl there]

Wouldn't look as gross as Marvel after 16 weeks of 5 games per week.

5 games a week? What idiot is scheduling 5/9 games at Marvel when the MCG, GMHBA, both Sydney grounds and both QLD grounds are currently able to be used?

 

[Keays2myBeamas]

5 games a week? What idiot is scheduling 5/9 games at Marvel when the MCG, GMHBA, both Sydney grounds and both QLD grounds are currently able to be used?

Am I allowed to exaggerate even 20%? Talk of WA clubs playing home games in Melb, would mean 3-4 games per week at Marvel. This is why it makes sense to play some games at Princes or Whitten, which are clearly good enough for afternoon games. They're also much more pleasant than a big empty hunk of concrete.

 

[Mateyman]

Can anyone explain why GP's would be fined 20k for using Serology tests for COVID19? Serology test are the gold standard, they test the blood for antibodies and would show if someone has, had or lived with and recovered from COVID19 and is essentially immune. The quick 15-30 min tests that are all over the country in car parks has proven to give many false/negatives, and clearly from a diagnostics perspective is totally inferior to the Serology blood test. GP's doing mass blood tests will probably uncover the fact that the overwhelming amount of people don't need a vaccine, and further, the virus is once again proven to be a mass overreaction.

https://www.rcpa.edu.au/Library/COVID-19-Updates/COVID-19-Useful-Resources/Docs/GPs-face-$20k-fines-for-using-serology-tests-to-di.aspx?fbclid=IwAR12uvUMTAaW8_kOBdVvDhdVaLTzU8R5x9FDObYWrx0Liqp7xJr0kmJZPwQ

Ahhh, they're the gold standard because it would be more convenient for you if the virus was less deadly! Makes sense!