Coronavirus

[kranky al]

is that it ?,

Surely you have to nail your windows down or board up another bunker?.

Or drive to gascoine junction to do a copper line replacement for a station property...

 

[Les Malone]

Actually mate has had over a week without a case - our only case since was from overseas.

im at work as an essential services worker

But our state hasnt had a community transmission for ages.

we will be back at full work soon.

Please!, every tradie that has had work and can get it is out and about, its not just essential workers, i live in WA as well.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

please don't have kids, please

Too late. My daughter is into her 2nd year of a law degree.

 

[kranky al]

Please!, every tradie that has had work and can get it is out and about, its not just essential workers, i live in WA as well.

You were just saying something about staying home and nailing the windows shut...

forgotten already?

is that you Dementia Donald

 

[Les Malone]

Or drive to gascoine junction to do a copper line replacement for a station property...

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LOL, big man, perhaps you can visit me up at Perth, or up at Telfer or Nullangine or a stack of other places, even Kal where 3 of my kids have worked as well, look forward to it ....LOL

 

[Les Malone]

You were just saying something about staying home and nailing the windows shut...

forgotten already?

is that you Dementia Donald

that's for you, seeing you are so scared

 

[kranky al]

that's for you, seeing you are so scared

Are you self aware?

 

[Les Malone]

Are you self aware?

you really should start work -- you are an 'essential worker', LOL, this convo is going nowhere and i see you also have TDS looks to be stage 3-4, no one bought him up except you, do you regularly do that ?

see ya

 

[kranky al]

you really should start work -- you are an 'essential worker', LOL, this convo is going nowhere and i see you also have TDS looks to be stage 3-4, no one bought him up except you, do you regularly do that ?

see ya

Of course the conversation is going nowhere - you assert something fallacious - we reply with sourced facts - you shift your attention elsewhere and blahwarble something about the msm.

and then you wonder why i bring trump into it.

you dont have two braincells to rub together mate.

if brains turned into dynamite you wouldnt have enough to blow your nose....

 

[kranky al]

For the dipshits who dont think covid affects kids:

What Parents Should Know about Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C)

This newly identified disorder is affecting some children with previous cases of COVID-19.

www.chla.org

From the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, children were a population left relatively untouched by the novel coronavirus. If infected, children often had few symptoms unless an underlying condition compromised their health. It was believed that children could have the disease without suffering from the symptoms.

If your child does become ill and maintains a high fever that lasts for several days, call your child’s doctor and seek medical attention immediately.
More recently, pediatric hospitals are sharing stories of children suffering from pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome (PIMS). You may have heard of this referred to as Kawasaki disease, inflammation syndrome, severe inflammation from COVID-19 or something else. Though the information available about PIMS is still extremely limited due to the small numbers of cases compared with the staggering numbers of people affected by COVID-19, pediatric specialists around the country, including those at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles, are focusing their efforts on determining whether more cases exist.

Children’s Hospital Los Angeles experts noticed an increase in the number of patients diagnosed with Kawasaki disease (a rare pediatric condition characterized by inflammation of blood vessels and abnormal dilations of the arteries supplying the heart with blood) in the month of April as compared to the previous two years. CHLA’s team began testing to determine whether the patients seen in recent months had antibodies demonstrating past COVID-19 infection. This began as hospitals in the United Kingdom and New York City started reporting children with significant inflammation, toxic shock syndrome and symptoms of Kawasaki disease following infection with the novel coronavirus.

By conducting serology testing for antibodies, Children’s Hospital Los Angeles has diagnosed three of its patients with PIMS. Each child was initially believed to have Kawasaki disease and received treatment from the hospital’s team of experts in infectious diseases and Kawasaki disease. Positive antibody testing for each of the patients, combined with a set of symptoms consistent with other patients around the world and additional negative viral testing has led the CHLA team to diagnose these patients with PIMS.

Specialists in Cardiology and Infectious Diseases are now following up with additional patients who were recently diagnosed with Kawasaki disease at the beginning stages of the coronavirus pandemic to test them for antibodies of the virus causing COVID-19. Test results will help doctors carefully evaluate patients for PIMS and supply them with more information to better understand the impact of the novel coronavirus on the pediatric population.

Children’s Hospital Los Angeles is a pioneer in treatment and research for Kawasaki disease and is committed to providing the best possible care for these patients as well as those suffering from toxic shock syndrome and PIMS.

What is PIMS?
PIMS stands for pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome. It describes a new health condition seen in children who have been infected with novel coronavirus, recovered from it and later have an immune response that results in significant levels of inflammation in organ systems and symptoms. PIMS is similar to other inflammatory conditions like Kawasaki disease and toxic shock syndrome. Children who have PIMS generally did not have obvious symptoms when they were infected with novel coronavirus, like cough, and generally were healthy prior to developing PIMS.

 

[Les Malone]

For the dipshits who dont think covid affects kids:

What Parents Should Know about Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C)

This newly identified disorder is affecting some children with previous cases of COVID-19.

www.chla.org

From the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, children were a population left relatively untouched by the novel coronavirus. If infected, children often had few symptoms unless an underlying condition compromised their health. It was believed that children could have the disease without suffering from the symptoms.

If your child does become ill and maintains a high fever that lasts for several days, call your child’s doctor and seek medical attention immediately.
More recently, pediatric hospitals are sharing stories of children suffering from pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome (PIMS). You may have heard of this referred to as Kawasaki disease, inflammation syndrome, severe inflammation from COVID-19 or something else. Though the information available about PIMS is still extremely limited due to the small numbers of cases compared with the staggering numbers of people affected by COVID-19, pediatric specialists around the country, including those at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles, are focusing their efforts on determining whether more cases exist.

Children’s Hospital Los Angeles experts noticed an increase in the number of patients diagnosed with Kawasaki disease (a rare pediatric condition characterized by inflammation of blood vessels and abnormal dilations of the arteries supplying the heart with blood) in the month of April as compared to the previous two years. CHLA’s team began testing to determine whether the patients seen in recent months had antibodies demonstrating past COVID-19 infection. This began as hospitals in the United Kingdom and New York City started reporting children with significant inflammation, toxic shock syndrome and symptoms of Kawasaki disease following infection with the novel coronavirus.

By conducting serology testing for antibodies, Children’s Hospital Los Angeles has diagnosed three of its patients with PIMS. Each child was initially believed to have Kawasaki disease and received treatment from the hospital’s team of experts in infectious diseases and Kawasaki disease. Positive antibody testing for each of the patients, combined with a set of symptoms consistent with other patients around the world and additional negative viral testing has led the CHLA team to diagnose these patients with PIMS.

Specialists in Cardiology and Infectious Diseases are now following up with additional patients who were recently diagnosed with Kawasaki disease at the beginning stages of the coronavirus pandemic to test them for antibodies of the virus causing COVID-19. Test results will help doctors carefully evaluate patients for PIMS and supply them with more information to better understand the impact of the novel coronavirus on the pediatric population.

Children’s Hospital Los Angeles is a pioneer in treatment and research for Kawasaki disease and is committed to providing the best possible care for these patients as well as those suffering from toxic shock syndrome and PIMS.

What is PIMS?
PIMS stands for pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome. It describes a new health condition seen in children who have been infected with novel coronavirus, recovered from it and later have an immune response that results in significant levels of inflammation in organ systems and symptoms. PIMS is similar to other inflammatory conditions like Kawasaki disease and toxic shock syndrome. Children who have PIMS generally did not have obvious symptoms when they were infected with novel coronavirus, like cough, and generally were healthy prior to developing PIMS.

You really are an hysterical old ninny, a five minute search says of the 15 kids in NY who have the Kawasaki type illness, 4 have covid currently, and 5 have the antibodies meaning they have had it at some stage , the other 6 don't have either.

Therefore it stands to reason that covid has produced the illness!! - pretty sure that's how your mind works, next your claim will be the JC himself contracted the disease from the shroud, covid got him as well, it wasn't the Crucifixion.

They estimate around 30 % of NY and now maybe more have the antibodies for covid.

That's of course if you believe the testing process, somehow i don't think the President of Tanzania does ......goats and paw paws are testing positive now, that's actually good news we need the numbers up to frighten dingbats like yourself.

Tanzania says 'faulty' WHO test kits showed coronavirus in a goat and a pawpaw

Tanzanian President John Magufuli's assertions that coronavirus tests in the country are faulty have been rejected by the World Health Organization.

www.sbs.com.au

Also from memory i think John Travoltas son died from Kawasaki disease in 2009, but hey maybe that was covid as well.

 

[kranky al]

You really are an hysterical old ninny, a five minute search says of the 15 kids in NY who have the Kawasaki type illness, 4 have covid currently, and 5 have the antibodies meaning they have had it at some stage , the other 6 don't have either.

Therefore it stands to reason that covid has produced the illness!! - pretty sure that's how your mind works, next your claim will be the JC himself contracted the disease from the shroud, covid got him as well, it wasn't the Crucifixion.

They estimate around 30 % of NY and now maybe more have the antibodies for covid.

That's of course if you believe the testing process, somehow i don't think the President of Tanzania does ......goats and paw paws are testing positive now, that's actually good news we need the numbers up to frighten dingbats like yourself.

Tanzania says 'faulty' WHO test kits showed coronavirus in a goat and a pawpaw

Tanzanian President John Magufuli's assertions that coronavirus tests in the country are faulty have been rejected by the World Health Organization.

www.sbs.com.au

Also from memory i think John Travoltas son died from Kawasaki disease in 2009, but hey maybe that was covid as well.

Id suggest that the paediatric doctors know a little more than you numbnuts

 

[Les Malone]

Sweden tames its ‘R number’ without lockdown | The Spectator
Sweden has been the world’s Covid-19 outlier, pursuing social distancing but rejecting mandatory lockdown. Schools, bars and restaurants are open – albeit with strong voluntary social distancing compliance and streets that often look almost as empty as Britain’s. Has this been enough? Sweden’s...

www.spectator.co.uk

The virus was shown to be spreading far faster in Sweden, said Imperial, "not because the mortality trends are significantly different from any other country" but because "no full lockdown has been ordered so far". Nor was a full lockdown ever ordered. So what did this imply for Sweden? Imperial didn't translate the above graph into deaths, but when its assumptions were published others joined the dots. A Lund university academic warned that it meant 85,000 deaths for Sweden. An Uppsala team, feeding Imperial's parameters into its own study, agreed. The modelling envisaged Sweden paying a heavy price for its rejection of lockdown, with 40,000 Covid deaths by 1 May and almost 100,000 by June.

The latest figure for Sweden is 2,680 deaths, with daily deaths peaking a fortnight ago. The virus, it turns out, has been spreading at a fraction of the speed suggested. So Imperial College’s modelling – the same modelling used to inform the UK response – was wrong, by an order of magnitude.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Sweden tames its ‘R number’ without lockdown | The Spectator
Sweden has been the world’s Covid-19 outlier, pursuing social distancing but rejecting mandatory lockdown. Schools, bars and restaurants are open – albeit with strong voluntary social distancing compliance and streets that often look almost as empty as Britain’s. Has this been enough? Sweden’s...

www.spectator.co.uk

The virus was shown to be spreading far faster in Sweden, said Imperial, "not because the mortality trends are significantly different from any other country" but because "no full lockdown has been ordered so far". Nor was a full lockdown ever ordered. So what did this imply for Sweden? Imperial didn't translate the above graph into deaths, but when its assumptions were published others joined the dots. A Lund university academic warned that it meant 85,000 deaths for Sweden. An Uppsala team, feeding Imperial's parameters into its own study, agreed. The modelling envisaged Sweden paying a heavy price for its rejection of lockdown, with 40,000 Covid deaths by 1 May and almost 100,000 by June.

The latest figure for Sweden is 2,680 deaths, with daily deaths peaking a fortnight ago. The virus, it turns out, has been spreading at a fraction of the speed suggested. So Imperial College’s modelling – the same modelling used to inform the UK response – was wrong, by an order of magnitude.

Back from the protest already Les?

 

[Les Malone]

Back from the protest already Les?

Firstly you claim the lockdown and virus is good because you get double your dole money, then you proceed to hammer the Government for who knows what in some random vague rant, absolute hypocrisy in motion.

Secondly you claim children are not our future when told 105 kids have died of the flu this season in America and only 3 via or with Corona.

And thirdly you talk about some protest when facts are presented via a article regarding the effectiveness of lockdowns.

 

[kranky al]

Sweden tames its ‘R number’ without lockdown | The Spectator
Sweden has been the world’s Covid-19 outlier, pursuing social distancing but rejecting mandatory lockdown. Schools, bars and restaurants are open – albeit with strong voluntary social distancing compliance and streets that often look almost as empty as Britain’s. Has this been enough? Sweden’s...

www.spectator.co.uk

The virus was shown to be spreading far faster in Sweden, said Imperial, "not because the mortality trends are significantly different from any other country" but because "no full lockdown has been ordered so far". Nor was a full lockdown ever ordered. So what did this imply for Sweden? Imperial didn't translate the above graph into deaths, but when its assumptions were published others joined the dots. A Lund university academic warned that it meant 85,000 deaths for Sweden. An Uppsala team, feeding Imperial's parameters into its own study, agreed. The modelling envisaged Sweden paying a heavy price for its rejection of lockdown, with 40,000 Covid deaths by 1 May and almost 100,000 by June.

The latest figure for Sweden is 2,680 deaths, with daily deaths peaking a fortnight ago. The virus, it turns out, has been spreading at a fraction of the speed suggested. So Imperial College’s modelling – the same modelling used to inform the UK response – was wrong, by an order of magnitude.

I mean you just completely ignore the two countries right next door to sweden

Sweden has 3220 deaths so far

Norway have 219 and finland have 265

Sweden hasnt locked down those two did.

they have a similar climate, similar living arrangements and generally share a lot in common as societies including excellent socialised healthcare systems.

sweden has about 14 times their deathrate.

thats now - Iceland and norways is trending down to zeros and ones while sweden alternates between double and triple digits.

in a few weeks it will look a lot worse than 14 times.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Secondly you claim children are not our future when told 105 kids have died of the flu this season in America and only 3 via or with Corona.

Aren't you the guy that keeps saying it's just another flu?

Don't play dumb Les, you have just admitted that you can actually differentiate between flu and covid19.

 

[E Shed]

This is a very sobering read

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

 

[Snake_Baker]

This is a very sobering read

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

The bloke is 71 years old, so it's not really surprising.

 

[E Shed]

The bloke is 71 years old, so it's not really surprising.

It may not be surprising but its sobering to read the effects of the disease on a fit healthy man of that age who had not been sick a day in 10 years.
I'm 57, fit & healthy with no underlying medical conditions but I'm an ex smoker and I've had Pneumonia in the past. I walk many k's a week at brisk pace and practice Yoga daily, eat & sleep well but mate I'm going to do everything I can to not expose myself to the virus.
It's not just a bad flu for some people.

 

[Les Malone]

I mean you just completely ignore the two countries right next door to sweden

Sweden has 3220 deaths so far

Norway have 219 and finland have 265

Sweden hasnt locked down those two did.

they have a similar climate, similar living arrangements and generally share a lot in common as societies including excellent socialised healthcare systems.

sweden has about 14 times their deathrate.

thats now - Iceland and norways is trending down to zeros and ones while sweden alternates between double and triple digits.

in a few weeks it will look a lot worse than 14 times.

yes the horrifying experiment in Sweden continues ..... to trend down.

Get back to me when the death rate per 1,000,000 for Corona approaches the death rate for the standard seasonal flu.

Isn't that what you base your hysterical ramblings on.

 

[kranky al]

yes the horrifying experiment in Sweden continues ..... to trend down.

Get back to me when the death rate per 1,000,000 for Corona approaches the death rate for the standard seasonal flu.

Isn't that what you base your hysterical ramblings on.

Well only 359 people in sweden were put into intensive care by the flu last flu season - so i assume that less than that number died from it.

And 3225 have died in sweden in a handful of months from covid

Source: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se...kationsarkiv/i/influenza-in-sweden/?pub=63511

Keep flailing away Les.

ill keep posting sourced information that makes you look stupid.

just so you understand les - when looking at a disease / virus - its not just the death rate you look at

the death rate of virus a could be 100% yet more people can die of virus b with a death rate of 1%

you have to look at the infectiousness of it as well - if virus a isnt very infectious and only 200 out of a million catch it - thats around 200 people dead

is virus b is very infectious indeed and it infects 700000 out of a million around 7000 people are likely to die.

The fact that you dont understand this - is why policy decisions like this are left to people with iq’s a lot higher than yours Les. .

 

[Les Malone]

Well only 359 people in sweden were put into intensive care by the flu last flu season - so i assume that less than that number died from it.

And 3225 have died in sweden in a handful of months from covid

Source: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se...kationsarkiv/i/influenza-in-sweden/?pub=63511

Keep flailing away Les.

ill keep posting sourced information that makes you look stupid.

But Kranky, the death rate per million is higher for a moderate seasonal flu in Sweden, where were your hysterical rants about this last year and every year before that.

And where are all the forecast deaths in Sweden, much lower than Belgium for example by over 400 deaths per million, did Belgium lockdown ?, Sweden did not, wasn't the scenario for Sweden 100,000 deaths and 40,000 by 10 days ago?- for not locking down.

Kranky, how about you explain looking at this graph how Sweden will get to your forecast 100,000 deaths.




Were you unable to read the article i linked Kranky?.

I bet you didn't, your mind is made up, Armageddon is coming, run to the hills.

 

[kranky al]

But Kranky, the death rate per million is higher for a moderate seasonal flu in Sweden, where were your hysterical rants about this last year and every year before that.

And where are all the forecast deaths in Sweden, much lower than Belgium for example by over 400 deaths per million, did Belgium lockdown ?, Sweden did not, wasn't the scenario for Sweden 100,000 deaths and 40,000 by 10 days ago?- for not locking down.

Kranky, how about you explain looking at this graph how Sweden will get to your forecast 100,000 deaths.


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Were you unable to read the article i linked Kranky?.

I bet you didn't, your mind is made up, Armageddon is coming, run to the hills.

Over 3000 people died to achieve that - while a couple of hundred died in each country next door.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Well only 359 people in sweden were put into intensive care by the flu last flu season - so i assume that less than that number died from it.

And 3225 have died in sweden in a handful of months from covid

Source: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se...kationsarkiv/i/influenza-in-sweden/?pub=63511

Keep flailing away Les.

ill keep posting sourced information that makes you look stupid.

just so you understand les - when looking at a disease / virus - its not just the death rate you look at

the death rate of virus a could be 100% yet more people can die of virus b with a death rate of 1%

you have to look at the infectiousness of it as well - if virus a isnt very infectious and only 200 out of a million catch it - thats around 200 people dead

is virus b is very infectious indeed and it infects 700000 out of a million around 7000 people are likely to die.

The fact that you dont understand this - is why policy decisions like this are left to people with iq’s a lot higher than yours Les. .

Les is 71 years old, so it's not really surprising.