CRAIG or EADE - THE FINAL POLL

[pablos]

Thanks for the "demolition" Arrowman, feels like being flogged with wet lettuce. Do you guys really believe that Eade is the best man for the job? It sounds to me like Anyone But Craig, indeed would there be anyone you would choose Craig over? I understand the reasons why people don't want Craig, but Eade is not the answer. Living in Sydney I've been subjected to Eade's "analysis" in the media, and I am not impressed.You say the great coaches don't have qualifications in their fields, but they also provide clear, erudite commentary and analysis a la Matthews and Blight. One year contracts have been done before, and it is realistic as coaching is a year by year prospect. Don't judge Craig on what Rucci says, that "journalist" makes single-celled organisms look sophisticated

 

[maccas_no1]

Wearing Jeans is pretty shoddy unless it was only an informal chat and not actually an interview as such.

Maybe they were telling him he isnt getting the gig next season

 

[Jerome]

Most would agree when you go to an interview for a job which will be paying $200,000 a year plus that you would wear a suit to the interview.

In fact you would make an effort for almost any interview.

Wearing Jeans is pretty shoddy unless it was only an informal chat and not actually an interview as such.

It was a three hour interview according to tonights news.

You're spot on Jars. When considering the $$ involved and high profile of the job, you'd want to turn up to an interview looking 100 % professional.

 

[crowie]

Thanks for the "demolition" Arrowman, feels like being flogged with wet lettuce. Do you guys really believe that Eade is the best man for the job? It sounds to me like Anyone But Craig, indeed would there be anyone you would choose Craig over? I understand the reasons why people don't want Craig, but Eade is not the answer. Living in Sydney I've been subjected to Eade's "analysis" in the media, and I am not impressed.You say the great coaches don't have qualifications in their fields, but they also provide clear, erudite commentary and analysis a la Matthews and Blight. One year contracts have been done before, and it is realistic as coaching is a year by year prospect. Don't judge Craig on what Rucci says, that "journalist" makes single-celled organisms look sophisticated

You have your right to your opinion as that is what this site is all about. I've been on here for about two weeks and the hot topic has been about who is going to coach us next year. Everyone has put forward their opinion on who they think is the best man for the job and why they are better than Neil Craig. Now its your turn as a Neil Craig supporter to put forward your case on why he should coach they AFC next season over Rodney Eade and according to you he should get the job based on these five points

1 Over 300 league games (In the SANFL)
2 Fitness coach under Blight in 97/98, when we weren't the best team in the comp, but we won the flags because the players were trained to physically peak in September (so some commentators believe)
3 League coach at a great taditional S.A. club-Norwood (OK, but what did he do with them? a Grand Finalist, Eade did that with the Swans in the AFL or THE BIG LEAGUE)
4 Assistant coach under Ayres (and he would be a great teacher?)
5 Sports Scientist
He has been coach in waiting for a while now and at least deserves a year's contract. I wouldn't sign him up for three though

I think that you will have to do better to convince most people here that Neil Craig should coach the Adelaide Crows FC based on the UNBELIEVABLE points that you posted earlier. As for the coach in waiting theory and that he deserves the job, enlighten us on why he DESERVES the job? Because he didn't go to West Coast (Big Whoop!), why does that entitle him to the Head Coaching job? to quote an infamous line "PLEASE EXPLAIN".

 

[Jerome]

1. How many people here are going to the games
2. how many are relying on the media to form their opinions?
3. The players want him to coach, so isn't that a good enough reason?

1. From what I can tell, the majority of posters on this site are members of some form. Everything from Gold to Bronze membership.

Come here after the game on Sunday and you'll soon see the majority of us are going to the matches. I cant say I've been enjoying them, but I still turn up.

2. All of us. We've picked the media to pieces over the past two months and worked out the SA media are very biased towards Craig and have got it wrong.

The only objective, thoughtful analysis I've read of the Crows search for a coach is on these boards.

3. Absolutley not. The players wanted Robert Shaw to coach. Look how that turned out.

 

[pablos]

I think the point of these boards is to offer back slapping towards people of a like mind. I stand behind my comments, and at least offer a fresh perspective. I am no Craig fan, but I do believe that out of Eade and Craig I would pick Craig. I would like to know if you consider a player like Barrie Robran as a lesser light in the pantheon of football champions because he did not play VFL/AFL?

 

[macca23]

I think the point of these boards is to offer back slapping towards people of a like mind. I stand behind my comments, and at least offer a fresh perspective. I am no Craig fan, but I do believe that out of Eade and Craig I would pick Craig. I would like to know if you consider a player like Barrie Robran as a lesser light in the pantheon of football champions because he did not play VFL/AFL?

Rubbish.

The term BigFooty newbie under your nic says it all.

There's been plenty an argument on different topics amongst the posters that are supporting Eade - myself included.

It really says something when the same posters all agree on this topic. They are all free thinking spirits who have independently come to the same conclusion in spite of the sycophantic pro-Craig media in SA.

You're entitled to your opinion, and to stand by it. Others are entitled to challenge it. That's what a forum is all about.

As for Robran - he was simply a champion.

 

[crowie]

I think the point of these boards is to offer back slapping towards people of a like mind. I stand behind my comments, and at least offer a fresh perspective. I am no Craig fan, but I do believe that out of Eade and Craig I would pick Craig. I would like to know if you consider a player like Barrie Robran as a lesser light in the pantheon of football champions because he did not play VFL/AFL?

Neil Craig played in an era that saw all the best players from the SANFL go to Victoria, the fact that he wasn't one of them should give you an indictaion on how good he was. Plus, I don't think how many games a person played or how good a player they were will define how good a coach they will become. I dont think anyone has really mentioned Rodney Eade or Terry Wallace's playing days when arguing in their favour for the coaching job. Otherwise we should have already hired Wayne Carey as our head coach.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Neil Craig played in an era that saw all the best players from the SANFL go to Victoria, the fact that he wasn't one of them should give you an indictaion on how good he was.

In fact Craig played in the era when most players
stayed in South Australia, and in fact he was a very very good player.

We need to be factual.

 

[SNIPER_]

Eade

 

[The Iron Sock]

we should have already hired Wayne Carey as our head coach.

Now There's an Idea

 

[crowie]

Now There's an Idea

I think you've taken me out of context

 

[The Iron Sock]

just seeing what it's like to be Mr. Rucci

 

[gundy]

I think the point of these boards is to offer back slapping towards people of a like mind. I stand behind my comments, and at least offer a fresh perspective.

Absolute rubbish pablos. If you take the time to read the posts on this board you will see that quite a number come from non-Crows supporters. There are many varied and often diametrically opposed views expressed.

I am no Craig fan, but I do believe that out of Eade and Craig I would pick Craig. I would like to know if you consider a player like Barrie Robran as a lesser light in the pantheon of football champions because he did not play VFL/AFL?

I'm no Craig fan either and given the choice between Eade and Craig I would pick Eade. The only thing Craig has to offer is Equine Growth Hormone.

Barrie Robran is one of the greatest players never to play VFL/AFL. B. Robran and R. Ebert are two of the greatest players I have seen play the game and although they had very different styles they were both equally champions. Near the end of his career Ebert spent a season at North Melbourne and played, from memory, every game. He proved he could cut it in the VFL and as Robran was of similar calibre he could have also. Unlike one G. Cornes.

John Cahill had never played VFL/AFL when Collingwood appointed him as coach in 1983. Admittedly he didn't set the world on fire. Robert Shaw had played VFL/AFL and he sucked as a coach.

 

[arrowman]

If the interviewing panel is paying that much attention to clothing, how will we ever get a good coach? The only thing that should matter is the way they go about their coaching.

Of course. Presentation does count in this day of professionalism, media conferences etc, but coaching criteria come first.
But tell me - If you were going for a $250,000 a year job that was a high profile public role (including media and PR responsibilities) - would YOU turn up in jeans?
It’s just a small point, anyway, but I still think it’s disappointing that a prospective coach would turn up dressed like that.

To Arrowman, every choice Neil makes on game day counts. He didn't have to put Bock in that position.

No, he could have played Edwards on Riewoldt.

 

[gundy]

Of course. Presentation does count in this day of professionalism, media conferences etc, but coaching criteria come first.
But tell me - If you were going for a $250,000 a year job that was a high profile public role (including media and PR responsibilities) - would YOU turn up in jeans?
It’s just a small point, anyway, but I still think it’s disappointing that a prospective coach would turn up dressed like that.

Agreed arrowman. Do you ever see Trigg front the media in anything other than a suit and tie. When you go for a job interview you should always match the standard of dress of the interviewers. This is not necessarily directly related to salary. If in doubt of the dress standard ring up and ask.

Craig has worked at the AFC for how long now? You'd think he would have noticed what the administration staff wear to work.

Maybe he is so focused on the footy department that he hasn't noticed.

Maybe, being a sports scientist, he was trying to give the impression of the "boffin" with no social skills. (he thinks he's Kurt Russell in The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes

Maybe his lycra suit from his days at Norwood no longer fits.

 

[naughty monkey]

Eade for me... but not by as much as everyone else seems to have it.

But I'll play devil's advocate in the absence of anyone else putting forward a case for Craig.

300 SANFL games - in an era where the SANFL was at least in the same order of magnitude of standard as the VFL. A rare feat not to be overlooked. Tells you something about the character of the man. He was not a footballer that was blessed with outstanding natural talent. To play that many demonstrates his own work ethic.

His achievements with the cycling team - they have had outstanding success while Craig was part of the team. Some of the practises he has put in place have become the world standard. Whilst this has nothing directly to do with AFL it again points to his own motivation in high achievement.

5 years of coaching at SANFL level. The last three finishing 2nd, 4th and 3rd

Three years with Blight. Whilst not officially an assistant he sat in the box on during matches and has seen the genius at work, both the good and the bad. And there was plenty of both with Malcolm. Craig has been part of the inner sanctum whilst the Crows have been there most successful.

Two years ago he was supposedly offered the WCE job before turning them down. Why were they so impressed? There must be something he's got going for him.

People have been too quick to judge Craig on the performances of the last few weeks. I won't say he's been the best coach in that period, but let's not forget that it wasn't Brisbane's list that he took over either. He's tried a few things tactically, and is still finding his feet. The finals weren't going to happen results aren't as important now.

 

[Columbo]

Eade gets my vote too.

 

[Skippy_14]

Right. DT and JC are officially... hmmm... rhyming.
Got any others? Those two were quite good!