Creating a national competition

[citizen-erased]

I had this idea in grade 6, I even created a team called the Northern Territory Sharks.

Surely the crocs or goannas for NT.
Gold Coast should have been the sharks.

 

[gimp!]

Surely the crocs or goannas for NT.
Gold Coast should have been the sharks.

Yeah but I was in grade 6.

 

[Senor M]

Because it’s called a national competition. Victoria van keep the VFL teams. This is a competition which will grow the game as it is based on fairness and equal opportunities. If vics don’t like it they can keep watching vfl

If you don't like how the AFL is run-- why don't you just keep watching the WAFL?

 

[Cevap_Roll]

Just move North Melbourne to Tasmania and presto we have a national competition.

 

[citizen-erased]

Yeah but I was in grade 6.

What’s Gil’s excuse?

 

[citizen-erased]

Just move North Melbourne to Tasmania and presto we have a national competition.

VFL. Give tassie a fresh licence to begin with

 

[craffles]

Think it’s a ripper of an idea OP. Should present it to the AFL

 

[sprockets]

Most of you will think this is another response to Richmond winning. However it’s not. Having the newly created teams join the vfl is fundamentally flawed no
Matter who wins. If we are going to have a truly national competition where every team has equal opportunity then we need to start again.

The competition could be:
-made up of 12 teams: two teams from qld, NSW, Vic, SA and WA. One team each for Tasmania and NT.

-Each team can play each other twice in a completely unbiased home and away fixture.

-finals could be top 4 teams with the most highly ranked teams getting home advantages.

-Essentially all the existing teams from Qld, NSW, SA and WA could remain the same. Create 2 new clubs in vic, and one in each of tas and NT.

- Victorian clubs could remain part of the vfl without ruining any history and that competition could continue essentially in the same way as the SANFL or WAFL.

I honestly don’t see issues other than the vfl losing some money?

Tell you what, pick a club in a league you like and follow them. Maybe a WAFL team.

PS. You may not believe your post is a response to Richmond winning the flag but I bet you wouldn't have started it if WCE won it.

 

[NoobPie]

Most of you will think this is another response to Richmond winning. However it’s not. Having the newly created teams join the vfl is fundamentally flawed no
Matter who wins. If we are going to have a truly national competition where every team has equal opportunity then we need to start again.

The competition could be:
-made up of 12 teams: two teams from qld, NSW, Vic, SA and WA. One team each for Tasmania and NT.

-Each team can play each other twice in a completely unbiased home and away fixture.

-finals could be top 4 teams with the most highly ranked teams getting home advantages.

-Essentially all the existing teams from Qld, NSW, SA and WA could remain the same. Create 2 new clubs in vic, and one in each of tas and NT.

- Victorian clubs could remain part of the vfl without ruining any history and that competition could continue essentially in the same way as the SANFL or WAFL.

I honestly don’t see issues other than the vfl losing some money?

Outrageous. Why doesn't the NT get two teams as well?

 

[NoobPie]

It’s not a national sport. It’s a Victorian sport with large outposts in SA and WA, and a small one in Tassie.

No. It's a national sport centred on the nations cultural Mecca

 

[liam123]

You wouldnt lose all the vic supporters as they are still supporting their vfl club in the vfl. Over time you might get used to supporting a national team as well as your regular vfl club. Imagine the national comp more like the big bash in cricket. You support your local vfl club and a franchise state club in the national comp representing Victoria.

 

[MemoryLane]

It's a nice pipedream but essentially the only way to do it would be to find several billionaires happy to finance the whole thing at a loss for a long time until they got a critical market share. You'd need to build stadia, pay superstars truckloads to shift across. You can't just expect the now-AFL to be like 'oh ok, even though literally every decision we make is based on finances, we are just going to restart everything and lose a shittonne of money to achieve fairness'. If they wantedto achieve fairness it would be cheaper to just reform what we had now.

The new thing would need to be a rival code which the AFL wouldn't just accept and be like 'okay we VFL again now, good luck'.



No, if the AFL wanted to they could fix shit now and relocate 1 club somewhere else and then its a 9/9 split. They could also make umpires full time. They could also add 2 teams and have a 19 round season alternating home and away games each year. They could also move the GF to a rotation system between each state (Vic gets 3 in each 7 year block, SA, WA and NSW and QLD get 1 to align with proportion of teams).

 

[Captain_Bender]

SA 1.8 million
WA 2.6 million
Vic 6.6 million

Seems fair that all have two sides. Don’t complain when Vic clubs are far wealthier.

With such small populations it's only fair that Western Australia and South Australia have one team each

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Hey OP,

Can you explain how your plan differs from the whole Superleague debacle that almost killed rugby league in the 90's?

 

[FootyJunkie]

All hail the mighty big V in the VFL

 

[KingNothing]

If you’re wondering why it’s so Vic centric, it’s because you all joined the VFL. If vic had made their own teams and joined the WAFL/SANFL then things would be WA/SA centric.

But that’s not what happened. You joined the VFL. If you’re not a fan of that just leave

 

[LordLucifer]

Most of you will think this is another response to Richmond winning. However it’s not. Having the newly created teams join the vfl is fundamentally flawed no
Matter who wins. If we are going to have a truly national competition where every team has equal opportunity then we need to start again.

The competition could be:
-made up of 12 teams: two teams from qld, NSW, Vic, SA and WA. One team each for Tasmania and NT.

-Each team can play each other twice in a completely unbiased home and away fixture.

-finals could be top 4 teams with the most highly ranked teams getting home advantages.

-Essentially all the existing teams from Qld, NSW, SA and WA could remain the same. Create 2 new clubs in vic, and one in each of tas and NT.

- Victorian clubs could remain part of the vfl without ruining any history and that competition could continue essentially in the same way as the SANFL or WAFL.

I honestly don’t see issues other than the vfl losing some money?

 

[liam123]

If you’re wondering why it’s so Vic centric, it’s because you all joined the VFL. If vic had made their own teams and joined the WAFL/SANFL then things would be WA/SA centric.

But that’s not what happened. You joined the VFL. If you’re not a fan of that just leave

This is exactly the idea. National comp separated from the vfl

 

[Blackas87]

You wouldnt lose all the vic supporters as they are still supporting their vfl club in the vfl. Over time you might get used to supporting a national team as well as your regular vfl club. Imagine the national comp more like the big bash in cricket. You support your local vfl club and a franchise state club in the national comp representing Victoria.

The VFL would be bigger than this new national competition. Who’s going to fund the Queensland clubs?

 

[The 747]

You wouldnt lose all the vic supporters as they are still supporting their vfl club in the vfl. Over time you might get used to supporting a national team as well as your regular vfl club. Imagine the national comp more like the big bash in cricket. You support your local vfl club and a franchise state club in the national comp representing Victoria.

The supporters in Victoria would follow the VFL and ignore this gimmick national competition which would go broke almost instantly without Victorian patronage. The only way Victoria supporters would be interested in the national league team would be if it contained players from the VFL clubs they follow (which is unworkable) or if it had access to all the Victoria talent (which would make your league uncompetitive).

And remember that the reason you have a very strong and rich club is because it is a franchise created in order to join the VFL/AFL.

 

[Baird]

As a genetically superior Victorian, I fully endorse this.
I'm sick of interstate """""teams""""" shitting up grand finals and bringing down the quality of the league.
You are welcome to piss off and start your own league, and we will remain a 10 team league.

 

[Blackas87]

The Victorian clubs had 660000 members this season compared to the non Victorian clubs with 390000. The VFL would generate more money and be able to pay for the better players. On top the national comp would have to fund the clubs in Qld and NSW clubs which the AFL currently does. Would basically be a 2nd tier competition to the VFL

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Most of you will think this is another response to Richmond winning. However it’s not. Having the newly created teams join the vfl is fundamentally flawed no
Matter who wins. If we are going to have a truly national competition where every team has equal opportunity then we need to start again.

The competition could be:
-made up of 12 teams: two teams from qld, NSW, Vic, SA and WA. One team each for Tasmania and NT.

-Each team can play each other twice in a completely unbiased home and away fixture.

-finals could be top 4 teams with the most highly ranked teams getting home advantages.

-Essentially all the existing teams from Qld, NSW, SA and WA could remain the same. Create 2 new clubs in vic, and one in each of tas and NT.

- Victorian clubs could remain part of the vfl without ruining any history and that competition could continue essentially in the same way as the SANFL or WAFL.

I honestly don’t see issues other than the vfl losing some money?

1) good luck getting the AFL commission to endorse this, as 8/18 clubs would be supporting their extermination. So you need a breakaway

2) a breakaway has to be 12 new teams, because the AFL owns the trademark rights to all club names, mascots, and kit.

3) where would this comp play, because they AFL has locked away the mcg, marvel, scg, Gabba, AO, and perth on exclusivity contracts

4) even if the commission and the club's agreed to this, and assuming Victorians support the two new sides, you create another problem. The two Vic teams would be financial powerhouses - half of Australian rules support would flow to two clubs, so good luck not having them dominate the league every season.

 

[juss]

Most of you will think this is another response to Richmond winning. However it’s not. Having the newly created teams join the vfl is fundamentally flawed no
Matter who wins. If we are going to have a truly national competition where every team has equal opportunity then we need to start again.

The competition could be:
-made up of 12 teams: two teams from qld, NSW, Vic, SA and WA. One team each for Tasmania and NT.

-Each team can play each other twice in a completely unbiased home and away fixture.

-finals could be top 4 teams with the most highly ranked teams getting home advantages.

-Essentially all the existing teams from Qld, NSW, SA and WA could remain the same. Create 2 new clubs in vic, and one in each of tas and NT.

- Victorian clubs could remain part of the vfl without ruining any history and that competition could continue essentially in the same way as the SANFL or WAFL.

I honestly don’t see issues other than the vfl losing some money?

Genuinely think about your idea in practice, not just in theory.

You are proposing to compress 10 Victorian teams into 2.

Which 2 VIC teams are you going to keep in the National competition?
That's a nightmare, and you completely disenfranchise the most engaged market and heartland of football.

The result would be the return of state-dominant leagues because the vast majority of Victorians would just follow their team in the VFL and happily play big matches at the MCG, Marvel or revamped suburban stadiums. The VFL would dwarf this national comp because of that support, membership, sponsorship and ultimately viewership. The highest percentage of players drafted by state are from VIC, and likely the best players would play in the VFL.

There are dozens of other issues that many in this thread have mentioned, of why it would be a horrible idea.

What posters like liam123 fail to acknowledge is the VFL teams don't need the interstate sides to survive and thrive. The VFL would still be a giant of a league without the other clubs, (admitedly with less revenue but still enormous) because there are already 10 elite level existing clubs and a lot of support.

Many interstate sides don't survive in their current format without these VFL sides forming the majority of the league. GC do not exist without the revenue driven by 100,000s Victorians attending and watching footy matches.

The VFL doesn't need interstate sides to be an elite level competition, where currently most of the interstate sides do.

 

[footyfan1978]

Would go down as well as Ginger flavoured Coke.
Some ideas are just shit, this is just another one.