2nds Crows AFL Reserves

[GrommoT]

Not sure it's been mentioned already but just heard Jars on M's saying a national reserves comp has been signed off and AFL lists will be increased.

Also said draft age will go up to 19 ... so now got to wait even longer for Luke Edwards

Goodbye snaffle!

 

[Crowked]

This would be ****in awesome

 

[Vader]

Changing the draft age has massive implications. Kids will no longer be able to go directly from year 12 into an AFL team. They'll either have to repeat year 12 (not a bad thing in many cases), or find something else to do for a year (Uni/Tafe/work).

 

[radiojake]

Changing the draft age has massive implications. Kids will no longer be able to go directly from year 12 into an AFL team. They'll either have to repeat year 12 (not a bad thing in many cases), or find something else to do for a year (Uni/Tafe/work).

surely a year of work/tafe/uni would be better than staying at high school

 

[Vader]

surely a year of work/tafe/uni would be better than staying at high school

Depends on what marks they got the first time they did Year 12.

 

[MRB37]

Andrew Jarman said it? I doubt it'll happen then.

 

[jackster83]

Burton and Hass would be licking their lips at the prospect of larger lists.

 

[1970crow]

I'm not one that dislikes being in the SANFL. I didn't mind their recent AFL listed player restrictions for finals. My main concern has always been that our players are together on game day. I think it's a critically important factor in building a good culture amongst the list. SANFL/AFL reserves, there'd be no meaningful difference to how our 2's have operated this year. If we were so inclined, we could actively recruit better top up players from country Vic that missed the draft. But we choose to not deploy resources into that arena. And if we were to get into SANFL finals with a full list, I don't care if a few players miss out that wouldn't be considered for AFL selection anyway. Hell, if the 1's haven't made the finals I don't care if we pull up stumps in the 2's.

 

[1990crow]

This is probably the best news of the year.

1. AFL reserves competition and no more SANFL corruption, umpiring farce and stalled development when you have a decent injury list.
2. New congestion rules which will prevent teams from having 18 players in the back fifty.. football will be better for it.
3. Great SA draft (Lukosius, Rankine, Hately, Rozee, Valente).

 

[Scorpus]

I can't see them increasing the draft age. That will open up avenues for competing codes to offer better opportunities.

I'm not even sure how you'd transition from 18 to 19. An entire draft would be decimated as all the good 19 year olds would have been drafted the year prior as 18 year olds

 

[El Doederino]

SANFLcanGAGF

 

[GrommoT]

This is probably the best news of the year.

1. AFL reserves competition and no more SANFL corruption, umpiring farce and stalled development when you have a decent injury list.
2. New congestion rules which will prevent teams from having 18 players in the back fifty.. football will be better for it.
3. Great SA draft (Lukosius, Rankine, Hately, Rozee, Valente).

And as Hamish said, "... we've got some stock at the top, which we haven't always had ..."

 

[spenze]

Us being in the Sanfl has been a dead set ****ing joke. We should have been an equal partner with equal rights and that has not been the case and the one year we make the finals with a once in a decade injury run, they SANFL shit itself and went out of its way to make us non-competitive. Jokes on them really, they only got the one million dollar deal from Channel 7 because we were in there, now we have been neutered, they won't put us on the channel for the rest of the year. When we move, there will be no need for anyone to televise the SANFL, not when you have an AFL reserves comp to show.

Hope they introduce a mid-season draft when this happens so they can get further shafted. SANFL never moved with the times and it has stuck its cap on "2nd best comp in Australia" like that means anything. I will still follow the Tiges and go to some games even when the Crows reserves move but geez, the behaviour of the SANFL and its clubs to its main breadwinner has been ordinary, dead set ****ing ordinary.

 

[1990crow]

Us being in the Sanfl has been a dead set ******* joke. We should have been an equal partner with equal rights and that has not been the case and the one year we make the finals with a once in a decade injury run, they SANFL shit itself and went out of its way to make us non-competitive. Jokes on them really, they only got the one million dollar deal from Channel 7 because we were in there, now we have been neutered, they won't put us on the channel for the rest of the year. When we move, there will be no need for anyone to televise the SANFL, not when you have an AFL reserves comp to show.

Hope they introduce a mid-season draft when this happens so they can get further shafted. SANFL never moved with the times and it has stuck its cap on "2nd best comp in Australia" like that means anything. I will still follow the Tiges and go to some games even when the Crows reserves move but geez, the behaviour of the SANFL and its clubs to its main breadwinner has been ordinary, dead set ******* ordinary.

They will only have themselves to blame when the best players join clubs around the country due to the increased list sizes compensating for the reserves competition.
The league will be a shadow of what it even is now.

 

[Morning_Fog]

For those living in Victoria, how many VFL teams would be left without the AFL reserves sides?

Maybe this is why the AFL have included a Tasmanian side in the VFL from 2021.

 

[Scorpus]

For those living in Victoria, how many VFL teams would be left without the AFL reserves sides?

Maybe this is why the AFL have included a Tasmanian side in the VFL from 2021.

5 teams are not AFL affiliated in the VFL

 

[Morning_Fog]

5 teams are not AFL affiliated in the VFL

Reserves compertition will not happen. Just can not see them doing it.

They will not just kick those 5 sides out.

I doubt they will have a stand alone VFL competition with 5 sides (6 including Tasmania) and I very much doubt they will have a 23 team reserves competition.

I love the idea of a national reserves competition but it doesn’t feel viable with the extra stuff going on.

 

[chazwazza]

I find it funny when some clowns wish for the demise of the SANFL and then complain that no good kids are coming through SA for the draft.
Deadset f***ing nuptie morons.

 

[radiojake]

For those living in Victoria, how many VFL teams would be left without the AFL reserves sides?

Maybe this is why the AFL have included a Tasmanian side in the VFL from 2021.

5?

Port Melbourne / Williamstown / Werribee / Coburg / Frankston

 

[glengowan]

I hope this is true, from an SANFL point of view. Will make the competition much better without so much AFL interference.

I'd hope 18 year olds could still be drafted to a main list - but maybe only in the 1st Round?

I'd reduce main list sizes to say 35. Then would have a supplementary list of 25 made up of Under 20's from within a zone - these players still connected to their SANFL club (prob would play SANFL reserves) and assisted in gaining apprenticeships or study outside of this.

 

[spenze]

They will only have themselves to blame when the best players join clubs around the country due to the increased list sizes compensating for the reserves competition.
The league will be a shadow of what it even is now.

I was a really keen supporter of the SANFL during the 80s, my dad took me to lots of games at the Bay ( come to think of it, drink driving laws were a bit lax back then) and as I became a teen, my friends and I would go watch the Tigers ( my team) or Sturt ( their team) every weekend. Got to see Mots and Kernahan start their careers, champs like Hodgeman and Copping finish theirs, got to see a finals match between Port and Glenelg where Scott Hodges and John Fidge decimated opponents as full forwards, no team was further behind than 10 points and 42 goals were kicked for the game. Even though Glenelg lost the game all supporters walked out of the ground going " how bloody good was that game?" supporters shook hands with each other after wards and said "good game"

They were the days though, when the Crows went into the SANFL, the SANFL started lying to itself, it was keen to call itself the second best comp which was just lying to itself and its supporters, you are either the best or you are not, no prize for second best. Even in 1991, I noticed the difference, skill errors, two grabbing of the ball, the skills of the Jarmans, the Mcdermotts etc just wasn't there. The guys playing in the guts of most teams would not have got a look in before but now they were.

25 years on, they had a chance to make themselves relevant again, they could have brought in the Crows, given them the chance to have a proper team, with full rights and think "let's improve the standard" of the comp but they just couldn't help themselves. Instead, they begrudgingly gave us an entry with a bunch of rules to make our team suck and when it didn't they made the rules worse. FFS, our team is half full of kids under 20, half of which will never be more than good SANFL players, there was no need to be frightened, we were extremely unlikely to be a threat, except if you were a paranoid SANFL club.

The experiment hasn't worked, it was killed by the SANFL and the clubs, too stupid to realise they had been given an opportunity but more content to drink moonshine and playing the jug.

Sooner we move the better.

 

[marty36]

Us being in the Sanfl has been a dead set ******* joke. We should have been an equal partner with equal rights and that has not been the case and the one year we make the finals with a once in a decade injury run, they SANFL shit itself and went out of its way to make us non-competitive. Jokes on them really, they only got the one million dollar deal from Channel 7 because we were in there, now we have been neutered, they won't put us on the channel for the rest of the year. When we move, there will be no need for anyone to televise the SANFL, not when you have an AFL reserves comp to show.

Hope they introduce a mid-season draft when this happens so they can get further shafted. SANFL never moved with the times and it has stuck its cap on "2nd best comp in Australia" like that means anything. I will still follow the Tiges and go to some games even when the Crows reserves move but geez, the behaviour of the SANFL and its clubs to its main breadwinner has been ordinary, dead set ******* ordinary.

There will always be a national comp then the state league followed by grass roots footy if there isnt, those players like say grigg who wasn't quite good enough to make afl may end up playing for phos or goodie saints

It would be an all or nothing occupation which would deter players from following their dreams

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[spenze]

There will always be a national comp then the state league followed by grass roots footy if there isnt, those players like say grigg who wasn't quite good enough to make afl may end up playing for phos or goodie saints

It would be an all or nothing occupation which would deter players from following their dreams

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No doubt, the issue being is that the second comps around the country had the chance to boost their comps by having their states AFL reserves in that comp Instead, they have gone out of the way to make them not wanted to the point that all of those sides have pushed for a national comp. What those teams wanted their reserves to do, hasn't been granted, particularly here and in WA. It was their choice and now they will find the grass isn't greener with the AFL sides out because the full reserves comp will bring in a mid season draft and when that happens and your best players leave round 10 each year, well the SANFL only has itself to blame.

Anyways, Grigg was good enough, not committed enough.

 

[marty36]

I was a really keen supporter of the SANFL during the 80s, my dad took me to lots of games at the Bay ( come to think of it, drink driving laws were a bit lax back then) and as I became a teen, my friends and I would go watch the Tigers ( my team) or Sturt ( their team) every weekend. Got to see Mots and Kernahan start their careers, champs like Hodgeman and Copping finish theirs, got to see a finals match between Port and Glenelg where Scott Hodges and John Fidge decimated opponents as full forwards, no team was further behind than 10 points and 42 goals were kicked for the game. Even though Glenelg lost the game all supporters walked out of the ground going " how bloody good was that game?" supporters shook hands with each other after wards and said "good game"

They were the days though, when the Crows went into the SANFL, the SANFL started lying to itself, it was keen to call itself the second best comp which was just lying to itself and its supporters, you are either the best or you are not, no prize for second best. Even in 1991, I noticed the difference, skill errors, two grabbing of the ball, the skills of the Jarmans, the Mcdermotts etc just wasn't there. The guys playing in the guts of most teams would not have got a look in before but now they were.

25 years on, they had a chance to make themselves relevant again, they could have brought in the Crows, given them the chance to have a proper team, with full rights and think "let's improve the standard" of the comp but they just couldn't help themselves. Instead, they begrudgingly gave us an entry with a bunch of rules to make our team suck and when it didn't they made the rules worse. FFS, our team is half full of kids under 20, half of which will never be more than good SANFL players, there was no need to be frightened, we were extremely unlikely to be a threat, except if you were a paranoid SANFL club.

The experiment hasn't worked, it was killed by the SANFL and the clubs, too stupid to realise they had been given an opportunity but more content to drink moonshine and playing the jug.

Sooner we move the better.

The VFL has less support for the comp you want in a state with 5 times the population



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[kulak]

I can't see them increasing the draft age. That will open up avenues for competing codes to offer better opportunities.

I'm not even sure how you'd transition from 18 to 19. An entire draft would be decimated as all the good 19 year olds would have been drafted the year prior as 18 year olds

Push it back 3 months every year for 4 years