Crows and Power independence from the SANFL?

[alex_is_on_fire]

Our club would be much better off if it was independent of the SANFL.

This quote was taken from the "Female Board Members for the AFC" thread and IMO this subject deserved it's own thread for further discussion.

Therefore, my question would start out as....how can that happen?

I doubt any organization in any industry would happily stand aside and just part ways with an organization that pumps 10's of million of dollars into their organization every year.

How can we (and Port Adelaide would want the same) become independent from the SANFL, and I don't believe Andy D has any say.

I agree and would like it to happen but cannot see it ever coming into fruition.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

I don't know what I want

indepandance =
winners - Adelaide, Port Adelaide
losers - SANFL, SANFL clubs, AFL

current structure is the other way around

money from the Crows and Power goes the SANFL, so there the SANFL is the winner
then they distribute an amount to the SANFL clubs, so the SANFL clubs are the winners there
and then they use this to increase the competition, in turn, giving more experience to young kids coming through like Jack Trengove (Sturt), that makes them a better player, and more players get drafted to the AFL, due to this experience and them being better players, meaning the AFL wins a little with more and better talent (as well as a small cash sum I beleive for these drafted players meaning the SANFL clubs win a little more)

change the structure, yeah, the Crows make more profit, and so should Port, but everything else in this state will be weaker off, and the AFL might take a small hit a few years down the track with less talent coming out of SA, especially country areas. (SANFL) Clubs would cut off some areas to hold onto money, and the country will be the first to go

who knows, because of this, Jack Trengove might not of even of made it to Sturt, because Sturt could of neglected the country.

Basically, I don't know what is best, the advantages go to 2 big clubs, while the disadvantages would go to grassroots football. I don't know if it's worth going for independance from the SANFL.

 

[Macca19]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

You say SANFL clubs would get neglected, players would miss out, country zones would be forgotten about etc.....yet WAFL clubs have much less money coming in, have a significantly lower salary cap and yet seem to routinely spank us in terms of players drafted on a yearly basis.

WAFL clubs have no issue in continuing to develop talented youngsters so why would SANFL clubs suddenly stop as well?

As for Trengove, his family moved into Sturts metro zone as he was going to PAC. Obviously, his family isnt short on cash so hes not some contry bumpkin kid who needed a stack of nurturing and help to make it.

 

[TaylorWalker]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

who knows, because of this, Jack Trengove might not of even of made it to Sturt, because Sturt could of neglected the country.

When Trengove moved to Adelaide he played for Sturt, where he is originally from the zone is Glenelg. EDIT: Beaten ^

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

I think the SANFL thing is a red herring. like Adelaide oval, victorian bias, tv scheduling, cultural attitudes to SA, lack of local sponsors etc etc.

we are building quite the resume of blame shifting excuses

can't we just get on with it?

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

This quote was taken from the "Female Board Members for the AFC" thread and IMO this subject deserved it's own thread for further discussion.

Therefore, my question would start out as....how can that happen?

I doubt any organization in any industry would happily stand aside and just part ways with an organization that pumps 10's of million of dollars into their organization every year.

How can we (and Port Adelaide would want the same) become independent from the SANFL, and I don't believe Andy D has any say.

I agree and would like it to happen but cannot see it ever coming into fruition.

I can totally see the thinking here, and whilst it might not have bothered me, I think the SANFL's angle has some merit.

i.e. I think its probably inappropriate for a political appointment. unless you want to make the seat open to the sitting member or sports member independent of party. i.e. an open seat to government, I don't think you should back a political horse - what then happens in a change of government? political retribution.

I can absolutely see why the SANFL have put their foot down, and demanded we stay out of politics.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

I can't see any reason why the AFL clubs could not continue to provide the exact same dividend to the SANFL whilst controlling their own identity.

This is what I would like to see.

The AFL clubs sign a contract to say that they will continue to provide a dividend to the SANFL but get full contol over their license.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

I can totally see the thinking here, and whilst it might not have bothered me, I think the SANFL's angle has some merit.

i.e. I think its probably inappropriate for a political appointment. unless you want to make the seat open to the sitting member or sports member independent of party. i.e. an open seat to government, I don't think you should back a political horse - what then happens in a change of government? political retribution.

Oh come on...

We have a sitting board member who ran for state parliament as a Liberal... and Rob Chapman as our chairman.

I highly doubt we are going to see recriminations from the Liberal party. If anything this would balance us politically.

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

Oh come on...

We have a sitting board member who ran for state parliament as a Liberal... and Rob Chapman as our chairman.

I highly doubt we are going to see recriminations from the Liberal party. If anything this would balance us politically.

is Kate Ellis a sitting member of parliament?

either you make it a revolving spot for a sitting member, or you can wait until she is no long in parliament.

I can absolutely see the thinking here.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

So there will be vengeance based reprisals because shes a sitting member, and not because shes planted her flag in a particular party?

I dont follow your thinking at all.

And part of the point of saying these Liberals are on our board/management wasnt just to point out the existence of their bias, but also to suggest that presumably given the story, they also endorsed the nomination.

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

So there will be vengeance based reprisals because shes a sitting member, and not because shes planted her flag in a particular party?

I dont follow your thinking at all.

And part of the point of saying these Liberals are on our board/management wasnt just to point out the existence of their bias, but also to suggest that presumably given the story, they also endorsed the nomination.

see here's the thing, I don't even know which party is in power in state government, and which party the other guys belong to. whereas their affiliations are pretty apparent to you?

that said, if the other blokes are still in parliament then I agree my line doesn't hold.

 

[jo172]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

see here's the thing, I don't even know which party is in power in state government, and which party the other guys belong to. whereas their affiliations are pretty apparent to you?

that said, if the other blokes are still in parliament then I agree my line doesn't hold.

No one's really exercising anything you'd refer to as "power" at the moment.

 

[cm_perfect]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

This quote was taken from the "Female Board Members for the AFC" thread and IMO this subject deserved it's own thread for further discussion.

Therefore, my question would start out as....how can that happen?

I doubt any organization in any industry would happily stand aside and just part ways with an organization that pumps 10's of million of dollars into their organization every year.

How can we (and Port Adelaide would want the same) become independent from the SANFL, and I don't believe Andy D has any say.

I agree and would like it to happen but cannot see it ever coming into fruition.

From what I have heard/read, Vlad would be more than happy to see a weaker SANFL, the AFL currently contribute stuff all to SA footy (compared to the other states including the VFL) because the AFL want it to be re-branded the SAAFL and have control over footy in this state.
The SANFL have rejected this so in turn get little support from the AFL.

In Conclusion (my thoughts):

Vlad would be more than happy for the AFC and PAFC to hold their own licences so he can get his grubby little mits on SA football.

 

[zest88]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

From what I have heard/read, Vlad would be more than happy to see a weaker SANFL, the AFL currently contribute stuff all to SA footy (compared to the other states including the VFL) because the AFL want it to be re-branded the SAAFL and have control over footy in this state.
The SANFL have rejected this so in turn get little support from the AFL.

In Conclusion (my thoughts):

Vlad would be more than happy for the AFC and PAFC to hold their own licences so he can get his grubby little mits on SA football.

so i wonder if the AFL gave the SANFL the same amount of money as the other states would they need to take as much from the Adelaide based afl teams?

Not that i would know

 

[jenny61_99]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

is Kate Ellis a sitting member of parliament?

either you make it a revolving spot for a sitting member, or you can wait until she is no long in parliament.

I can absolutely see the thinking here.

You couldn't possibly make it a revolving spot for a sitting member surely - what if the next one doesn't have the same qualifications?

 

[jo172]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

You couldn't possibly make it a revolving spot for a sitting member surely - what if the next one doesn't have the same qualifications?

To be fair, Ellis' only qualification is former Minister for Sport and Federal Parliamentarian.

She's a remarkably unqualified woman for her job. It would be unlikely that the next member for Adelaide had so few qualifications.

 

[jenny61_99]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

To be fair, Ellis' only qualification is former Minister for Sport and Federal Parliamentarian.

She's a remarkably unqualified woman for her job. It would be unlikely that the next member for Adelaide had so few qualifications.

It was more a general statement rather than specifically pointed at Ellis (not knowing who she is or what she's done). You may have an eminently qualified Sports Minister for one term, and then a completely incompetent the next (male or female). Hence my stance that it couldn't be a revolving spot.

 

[sbenno]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

It was more a general statement rather than specifically pointed at Ellis (not knowing who she is or what she's done). You may have an eminently qualified Sports Minister for one term, and then a completely incompetent the next (male or female). Hence my stance that it couldn't be a revolving spot.

That (in part) is CM's point. You either appoint each sitting member, or you don't appoint any, to avoid political bias and potential backlash.

 

[jenny61_99]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

That (in part) is CM's point. You either appoint each sitting member, or you don't appoint any, to avoid political bias and potential backlash.

Yes I got that, but I think it's important to put the politics aside and look at the qualifications of the person. Regardless of their party persuasion, if they are ably qualified, they could be considered - but not guaranteed a spot.

 

[sbenno]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

Yes I got that, but I think it's important to put the politics aside and look at the qualifications of the person. Regardless of their party persuasion, if they are ably qualified, they could be considered - but not guaranteed a spot.

In an ideal world, sure that would be the way to go, but it's tough to get Kate Ellis the sports fan and talented woman without also getting Kate Ellis, Labor Member for Adelaide, Politician.

There will always be those who will simply see the political side.

 

[relapse]

My main beef is that the SANFL IMO has been very negligent and self serving and has pretty much just used both clubs to help deliver multi million dollar profits while having little regard to their actual long term interests. Our shrinking profit lines are clear evidence that having our hands tied by the SANFL has led to us being in a far weaker position than we were in 10 years ago.

The SANFL have prevously prevented the Crows from establishing alternate revenue sources (ie gaming venue(s)) so that the SANFL could use the Crows moniker as an advertising tool for their own venture ie the SANFL owned "Crows Tavern" which I believe we were paid money via a naming rights agreement. While the SANFL were busy counting the money we are making for them they have totally overlooked that fact that by holding us back clubs like Collingwood have now successfully created new revenue streams and have now well and truly overtaken us.

If you look at what is happening in Victoria clubs are now seeking to create gaming venues as a new income source and this is what the Crows should have been able to do 10-15 years ago like they wanted to, but for the SANFL it's all about the SANFL making millions and little else matters to them.

I just hope that sooner rather than later we will finally be able to claw our way back and put our club back among the elite of the league.

 

[Jars458]

Re: Crows and Power inderpendance from the SANFL?

II can absolutely see why the SANFL have put their foot down, and demanded we stay out of politics.

If that was the reason perhaps its valid. On the other hand they probably did it because she wouldn't be another "yes man" for the SANFL on the Crows board.