News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[Salaryman]

I didn't get it wrong, he would slot into more sides starting 22 than not....I didn't say he was a star, but more than serviceable #2 ruckman. I didn't want to go there, but he's shown more than Lobbe. What was he, pick 16??

 

[Blueboys7]

If another year goes by and he doesn't improve his tank and doesn't play any AFL, why would a club trade a top 30 pick for him when they could pick up a decent SANFL/VFL ruck in the rookie draft?

If it was that easy you would have done it already.

No one says he is a guaranteed star but at age 22 and so far away from the average ruckmans peak we have every right to believe that his price is high.

 

[arsene wenger1]

Jacobs dominated Mumford in a final who was second in line for the AA ruck position. Slightly different to a SANFL performances, even if I brought up his performance today.

Stop trying to lower his value, it's not going to work.

ofcoarse its not going to work, the afl recruitors stoped listening to me years ago

 

[Powerade 08]

I didn't get it wrong, he would slot into more sides starting 22 than not....I didn't say he was a star, but more than serviceable #2 ruckman.

2nd rucks need to be versatile.

I didn't want to go there, but he's shown more than Lobbe. What was he, pick 16??

He has shown more than Lobbe, and he is definitely a smarter and better tap ruckman than Lobbe, but Lobbe has all the attributes needed for AFL and is a strong performer in the SANFL, so I won't write him off yet.

I think it is Adelaides rucks that you need to compare Jacobs to, they look to be chasing Jacobs harder than Port, and they have the higher picks.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Don't know what this bulldust is about Jacobs not having a tank. He improved his game massively this year with his work around the ground. I recall the game against Hawthorn where he just dominated all around the park. He has a tank, don't you worry about that.

Also, he rucked a fair percentage of the elimination final against Sydney. Don't understand that comment at all.

 

[Powerade 08]

No one says he is a guaranteed star but at age 22 and so far away from the average ruckmans peak we have every right to believe that his price is high.

Unless he can improve his tank, he has already peaked. He can already win 40+ taps, get them to advantage, already the right size, his marking is good.

Youth is overrated on BigFooty, clubs use the word every time they talk to the media because fans like to hear it. For some players it means nothing. Plenty of players peak before they get to the AFL, guys like Matthew Panos for example.

I guess we'll see what happens in trade week.

 

[Sin City]

Don't know what this bulldust is about Jacobs not having a tank. He improved his game massively this year with his work around the ground. I recall the game against Hawthorn where he just dominated all around the park. He has a tank, don't you worry about that.

Also, he rucked a fair percentage of the elimination final against Sydney. Don't understand that comment at all.

These Crows supporters are really clutching at straws now. trying whatever they can to talk out players down and talk their up.

 

[WALL-e]

Don't know what this bulldust is about Jacobs not having a tank. He improved his game massively this year with his work around the ground. I recall the game against Hawthorn where he just dominated all around the park. He has a tank, don't you worry about that.

Also, he rucked a fair percentage of the elimination final against Sydney. Don't understand that comment at all.

C'mon mate his tank needs work.

He'll ruck a contest, if the balls close he'll go after it, or tackle, if not he''ll walk to the next stoppage and repeat.

These Crows supporters are really clutching at straws now. trying whatever they can to talk out players down and talk their up.

What's said on BF makes sweet **** all difference, why talk a guy down, so Carlton list management people notice their weaknesses and reduce their asking price?

His tap work is excellent, the tank needs work.

 

[Powerade 08]

Don't know what this bulldust is about Jacobs not having a tank.

He doesn't have a tank or he lumbers around too much and doesn't cover ground quickly enough, either way when he is up against a guy like Jolly/Kreuzer/Cox/Sandilands/Mumford (Without strapping) they will probably always be a threat up forward. He can't keep up with them or do damage the other way.

 

[Sin City]

His tap work is excellent, the tank needs work.

His tank is good, he's still improving all areas of his game every year which has never slowed down. he's had games where he's rucked for most of the game and he's been fine. His work around the ground is good as well, gets a lot of ground balls, lays a lot of tackles. You're not one of the ones I meant, you've been alright but a lot of these Crows supporters really are embarrassing you guys.

 

[mac25]

C'mon mate his tank needs work.

He'll ruck a contest, if the balls close he'll go after it, or tackle, if not he''ll walk to the next stoppage and repeat.

What's said on BF makes sweet **** all difference, why talk a guy down, so Carlton list management people notice their weaknesses and reduce their asking price?

His tap work is excellent, the tank needs work.

How many games have you watched Jacobs closely this season, his tank has improved a huge amount and is a non-issue, suggest you go back and watch some further games this season, Adelaide fans are making out Mckernan is suddenly about to become a star, because his name has come up in discussions yet in reality he is no ruckman and you already have two key forwards, also suggesting some of the other names like Moran & Sellar who both will be lucky to be on AFL list in 12 months time is laughable.

If Jacobs does not stay at Carlton it is highly likely two or three other melbourne clubs will enter the race this week for his services, certainly not expecting any lack of interest in him.

 

[WALL-e]

His tank is good, he's still improving all areas of his game every year which has never slowed down. he's had games where he's rucked for most of the game and he's been fine. His work around the ground is good as well, gets a lot of ground balls, lays a lot of tackles. You're not one of the ones I meant, you've been alright but a lot of these Crows supporters really are embarrassing you guys.

No doubt it's improved, but he's got a lot of work to go. Unfortunately he isn't very naturally athletic.

How many games have you watched Jacobs closely this season, his tank has improved a huge amount and is a non-issue, suggest you go back and watch some further games this season, Adelaide fans are making out Mckernan is suddenly about to become a star, because his name has come up in discussions yet in reality he is no ruckman and you already have two key forwards, also suggesting some of the other names like Moran & Sellar who both will be lucky to be on AFL list in 12 months time is laughable.

If Jacobs does not stay at Carlton it is highly likely two or three other melbourne clubs will enter the race this week for his services, certainly not expecting any lack of interest in him.

Would have seen him at VFL 6-8 times most times live) and I'd say most if not all CFC games (2-3 live).

Again, I acknowledge it's improved, but it needs some work, a lot of work.

Say he goes up against the Kruez, or Cox, Gardiner, or Jolly, Sauce will likely beat Kruez in the tap rucks around the ground and break even with the others (though Sauce's taps are very nice, usually down a throat, as I've said, it's his calling card), but then they will all damage him big time around the ground. Ironically one of the only rucks that won't do that to him is ours....

Not going to get sucked into trade for this or else, it's all BS BF posturing.

Was just offering my opinion on him as he's topical and I've seen a lot of him.

 

[Sin City]

No doubt it's improved, but he's got a lot of work to go. Unfortunately he isn't very naturally athletic.

Most ruckmen his age are still having excuses made for their development because of their age, of course he's got to develop aspects of his game further. He's also on one hell of an upward curve in his development the last two years and has shown no sign of slowing down yet.

 

[amer]

Oh please in the 1st 6 weeks of the season everyone gave us a reaming! We kicked 10 goals only once in those 6 weeks and were clearly all over the shop. Any half decent player was tearing us a new one.

I find it hypocritical that people have to resort to bringing other players down top pump up your boys!

Since you lot are so ademant that you will be getting the likes of Talia, McKernan, Davis, Taylor Walker, Knights, Otten, Pick 14 et al.....which one if you is game enough to put a wager on it?!

I am willing to pay up $100 if I am wrong but I am clamining that you will NOT be getting ANY of Talia, Taylor Walker, Davis, Knights, Otten, McKernan! I will go one further and say that the only way you will get pick 14 is if pick 18 (or another 1st rounder) or another key player (read NOT Sam Jacobs) is coming Adelaide's way.

Who is game enough to put their money where their mouth is?!

Yeah good call. Blokes like Walker and Jacobs won't command a ton, doesn't matter how you spin it. It'll be draft picks and/or fringe type players, something in that range. The idea that anyone could think Knights, Davis or Taylor Walker would be put on the table is amazing to me. The Henderson to Carlton trade as a point of comparison for McKernan doesn't fit either, given nothing approaching the calibre of Fevola is involved.

 

[Silvagnis]

Yeah good call. Blokes like Walker and Jacobs won't command a ton, doesn't matter how you spin it. It'll be draft picks and/or fringe type players, something in that range.

If the clubs who have lost players to the GC use them in this draft, you've practically offered us picks 28 and 36 in an already compromised draft. We basically receive our original second round pick for Walker or Jacobs after it's pushed down the draft order.

How can we say no?

If the players are worth more to Carlton than trading them for a poor return, then they won't be traded.

]The idea that anyone could think Knights, Davis or Taylor Walker would be put on the table is amazing to me. The Henderson to Carlton trade as a point of comparison for McKernan doesn't fit either, given nothing approaching the calibre of Fevola is involved.

Those suggestions weren't great, but they're not as unrealistic as Carlton agreeing to taking Sellar, Moran, Armstrong and Cook.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

Those suggestions weren't great, but they're not as unrealistic as Carlton agreeing to taking Sellar, Moran, Armstrong and Cook.

True they were more so.
You want definite startup top 22 players for fringe players, you guys can continue to pretend like your submissions aren't the laughing stock of the board that are backup year after year hypocrysy.
This is a pointless dead issue.
Clarke has released the possible offerings and they are pretty much the same as most proposed.
You guys can complain and continue to be off the mark all you like those are the likely offerings, Ratten has said Jacobs is a required player and that they would also prefer to retain Walker in spite of rumors.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Walker, Jacobs and our second rounder to Crows for pick 14, McKernan and their third rounder. Doesn't sound too far away IMO

 

[Kickin_Goals]

Walker, Jacobs and our second rounder to Crows for pick 14, McKernan and their third rounder. Doesn't sound too far away IMO

A reasonable submission, however I don't value these players against the clubs priority need so I wouldn't put up pick 14 as these are secondary not primary to adelaides needs in a quality midfielder with good disposal. Which the later picks are very very unlikely to deliver in the compromised draft.

Adelaide have Brad Moran, Maric and further reserves and projects in ruckstocks even in the absence of Griffin.
That Jacobs is a punt against these other players doesn't seem to be being recognized here or the release Ratten made of Jacobs being required, Walker is probably more on the table and Sellers/Mckernan are the apparent offerings.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

A reasonable submission, however I don't value these players against the clubs priority need so I wouldn't put up pick 14 as these are secondary not primary to adelaides needs in a quality midfielder with good disposal. Which the later picks are very very unlikely to deliver in the compromised draft.

Adelaide have Brad Moran, Maric and further reserves and projects in ruckstocks even in the absence of Griffin.
That Jacobs is a punt against these other players doesn't seem to be being recognized here or the release Ratten made of Jacobs being required, Walker is probably more on the table and Sellers/Mckernan are the apparent offerings.

I can see where your coming from for sure. Was probably going more on the assumption your club is definitely interested in both our players rather than if. Personally not a huge fan of Moran either which could skew my judgment. Suspect both parties are playing a couple early games and things will become a little clearer in next week or two.

 

[goreds]

I heard yesterday at the Ants game that the Tigers have entered the discussion on where Jacobs might end up and also where Grigg might end up...

 

[SA Blue]

True they were more so.
You want definite startup top 22 players for fringe players, you guys can continue to pretend like your submissions aren't the laughing stock of the board that are backup year after year hypocrysy.
This is a pointless dead issue.
Clarke has released the possible offerings and they are pretty much the same as most proposed.
You guys can complain and continue to be off the mark all you like those are the likely offerings, Ratten has said Jacobs is a required player and that they would also prefer to retain Walker in spite of rumors.

Both walker and Davis were in and out of the team this year so they are obviously not certain starters. I thought an actual supporter would know his team better

 

[bluesforlife]

i was at the grand final yesterday too and i was hearing tambling's name mentioned as part of a deal involving grigg

 

[Sin City]

i was at the grand final yesterday too and i was hearing tambling's name mentioned as part of a deal involving grigg

Not keen at all.

 

[Dramoth]

Most ruckmen his age are still having excuses made for their development because of their age, of course he's got to develop aspects of his game further. He's also on one hell of an upward curve in his development the last two years and has shown no sign of slowing down yet.

Thats the thing about the Carlton rucks... they dont just compete against the other ruckmen in the league, they have to compete against 3 very good ruckmen within their own team for a spot in the run on side.

Because of Jacobs having to compete against Knockers, Kreuzer and Hammer, he has had to improve in leaps and bounds and this is the thing that has accelerated his development over the last 18 months. He has gone from definitely being a #4 ruckman to at the very least a #2 ruckman at Carlton and a #1 ruck at just about every other club in the country.

If he doesnt decide to stay at the blues, then he will join another club and he will automatically slot into being their #1 ruckman.

If he does leave us, I will be watching his further development with interest... just like I keep an eye on JK as well.

 

[Stamos]

i was at the grand final yesterday too and i was hearing tambling's name mentioned as part of a deal involving grigg

That could work, if they threw in their first round draft pick (6?)