News Crow's List Rated No.5 By Champion Data..

[Bicks]

Interesting article on "The News" websites courtesy of Champion Data....

Using C.D.'s analysis our list is ranked No.5 below No.1 Hawthorn, No.2 Sydney, No.3 West Coast and No.4 Richmond which is a bit surprising really. Also we are the only team without a single figure national draft pick on our list with Danger at No.10 the lowest on our list, though I guess Brad Crouch's situation with the special draft is probably an anomaly.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ch...head-of-the-pack/story-fndv8os9-1226777876749

HAWTHORN is well armed to deal with Lance Franklin's defection to Sydney with exclusive Champion Data analysis revealing the reigning premier still possesses the best list in the AFL.
But the Swans, who claimed Franklin under free agency in October, are considered to be the Hawks' biggest threat as they chase for back-to-back success.
For the second year in a row, Champion Data's AFL Prospectus 2014 has ranked Hawthorn as No.1 in a list assessment of all the clubs with a quality rating of 64.3 per cent, with Sydney close behind on 61.4 per cent.
Champion Data's list assessment takes into account a number of different aspects.
The analysis uses player rankings points over a two-year period with 75 per cent weight given to scores from 2013 and 25 per cent from 2012.
The ranking points assigned to each action on the field are defined by what correlates to winning an AFL game. At the completion of each season the formula is reviewed to determine and identify changes in the values of each event from a win/loss point of view, with points for certain stats adjusted accordingly.
All players are measured relative to their peers, tagging them as elite, above average, average, below average or poor. For a player to be given a rating they must have played at least 10 games over the two years.
Hawthorn is deemed to have the most "elite" players in the AFL heading into 2014 with six. Champion Data rated Sydney, Fremantle and Geelong each with five.
Hawthorn's six elite players are Jarryd Roughead, Cyril Rioli, Jack Gunston, Sam Mitchell, Luke Hodge and Josh Gibson.
Of the Hawks' 25 rated players (those who have played 10 or more games in the last two seasons), 15 are considered to be in the top 35 per cent of their respective positions - ranked No.1 in the competition.

Melbourne, ranked second bottom on the overall list assessment behind Greater Western Sydney, is the only club not to have an "elite" player on its list for next season.
One of the biggest surprises is West Coast, with Champion Data listing the Eagles third behind Hawthorn and Sydney, despite finishing 13th this year.'
The Eagles were ranked second heading into 2013, but endured a frustrating season of injuries and inconsistent form.
Rounding out the top eight sides in list assessment are Richmond (fourth), Adelaide (fifth), Fremantle (sixth), North Melbourne (seventh) and Essendon (eighth).
Collingwood's off-season turnover of players has seen Champion Data drop Nathan Buckley's team to 10th, despite the Magpies having four "elite" players in their rankings.
Sixteen of the Magpies' primary listed players are ranked "average" - the highest number in the AFL - which reflects the young nature of the Collingwood list.
Sydney ranks as the second oldest team in the AFL behind Fremantle - the eighth season in a row ranking in the top five of the competition. The Swans' average games per player ranks No.1.
Geelong is the 10th oldest team - its lowest ranking since its breakthrough 2007 season. The Cats have 20 players with less than 25 games experience - the second most behind GWS.
St Kilda's rebuilding sees the club's average age ranking drop to sixth - its lowest since 2004. But despite having the most 30-plus year-olds in the AFL - six - it still ranks as 16th overall in the competition in terms of list assessment.
The Saints also have 11 of their 40 primary-listed players who have come from rival clubs, of which there have been nine trades - the most in the competition.
Adelaide is the only club without a single-figure national draft choice on its list, taking into consideration the players' original drafting, with Patrick Dangerfield (pick 10, 2007) the lowest selection on its list.

 

[Vooligan]

Interesting that West Coast is rated at number three, and they finished lower than us. And we thought we were the underachievers!

I think this proves what we all thought, that we have a good list that underachieved in 2013. I'm confident with a good pre-season, we can claim our spot on the ladder in which C.D. rates us.

inb4 this ends up as a troll thread on the bay.

 

[Stinger...]

Or is allowed to be overtaken by PAP flogs!

 

[little graham]

Must of been the hard draw

 

[adelaidecrows]

Interesting that West Coast is rated at number three, and they finished lower than us. And we thought we were the underachievers!

I think this proves what we all thought, that we have a good list that underachieved in 2013. I'm confident with a good pre-season, we can claim our spot on the ladder in which C.D. rates us.

inb4 this ends up as a troll thread on the bay.

We all know the experts on big footy know better, the 35 plus pages on why VB shouldn't get a game for an amateur c grade side is testament to the deep expert analysis that is contributed.

 

[crow4life]

I reckon it means we get heaps of stats and don't convert them to scores.

 

[Allefgib]

I reckon it means we get heaps of stats and don't convert them to scores.

That's not how rating points work.

You get rating points for every action you take that influences your teams ability to score. (so maybe that second part is true.. ).

A Dogga kick sideways to the opposite HBF is typically worth 0 points. Less if he is Scott Stevens and kicks it to an opponent

A Paddy danger field contested gather and blast deep into the forward pocket for it to scrub outof bounds - actually has a points impact. (dependent on the likelihood of scoring for your team from a boundary throw-in in the forward pocket and the difference from that likelihood fo the possibility of scoring from the contest where danger won the footy)

 

[Stephen2]

A Paddy danger field contested gather and blast deep into the forward pocket for it to scrub outof bounds

I felt so blasphemous late last year when I found myself saying "Bloody Dangerfield" (for the first time I'd ever felt that way) after he'd done yet another one of these "specials" in a row... If he can just improve in this area of entry to the forward line, it'll make a massive difference to us and I'll truly think him one of the game's best.

 

[Allefgib]

Can't argue with that Stephen2. If he can hit targets with a third of those usual bombs he'll easily be considered in coversations on games best player.

Extracting it from those contests and getting it forward like he does, on his own, is a fair achievement in and of itself.

I'd even be happy if someone else can keep up with him and take the hand off for the kick i50 to be honest Just charge straight at the next opponent he sees, kill him, and handball off to his crows opponent.

 

[Draft Bored]

Imagine if we still had Tippett and Gunston.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Two of the things I loved about Dangerfield in 2012 were (1) that he really started lowering his eyes and hitting targets and (2) when the team needed a lift, he would inevitably provide it (the Sydney game at the SCG and the prelim are the two that most readily spring to mind, but there were others too).

I felt that this season, particularly because we were so poor at times, he tried a bit too hard at (2), which sometimes came at the expense of (1). Classic example was the Richmond game at the MCG - which IMO was our worst performance of the season by a mile (including the Sydney game), he absolutely busted a boiler trying to drag us back into the game but seemed to just try too hard at times to do it himself rather than bringing teammates into the play.

Not being critical, because it's an absolutely awesome trait he has and you can hardly blame him given how insipid his 21 mates were, but I hope he can get back to the balance he found in 2012. It will probably be easier if/when the team plays better as a whole.

 

[Coopers]

We do, maybe, have a good list.

We had a good 8 or so blokes come into the team that look the goods. If they ARE the goods... we will kick arse.
If they are not, we will suck arse.
If we're half and half, we'll be middling.

<Gary Ayres/> If the Kerridges, and the Lyons', the lairds, the lynches and the Griggs come on, we'll be sitting pretty.</Gary Ayres>

 

[Allefgib]

The Browns, Smiths and Jenkins have all made it then?

(as their improvement, of which there is still plenty, is also a massive factor going forward)

 

[Jars458]

Imagine if we still had Tippett and Gunston.

Agreed, they both made big mistakes in leaving.

 

[Allefgib]

Agreed, they both made big mistakes in leaving.

Yep Gunston would be spewing...

 

[headache1]

Less if he is Scott Stevens and kicks it to an opponent

Would give this part of the post a like of its own if I could.

 

[simmo97]

Yep Gunston would be spewing...

I hope that is a joke because he won a premiership this year so it was a good decision

 

[splat868]

I hope that is a joke because he won a premiership this year so it was a good decision

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[Allefgib]

I hope that is a joke because he won a premiership this year so it was a good decision

It's fair to say you don't know me at all

 

[Schulzycrow]

I hope that is a joke because he won a premiership this year so it was a good decision

 

[Coopers]

The Browns, Smiths and Jenkins have all made it then?

(as their improvement, of which there is still plenty, is also a massive factor going forward)

Well, those guys are also the Griggs, the kerridges and the lynches.

Or the others are the browns the smith's and the jenkins'. Depends on how difficult you want to be about it.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Always take these stats based things with a grain of salt, but I think it fair to say we have a better than average list - with most of guns coming into their prime, so no excuses for missing the finals. Would like to see a more detailed breakdown of the analysis before reading too much into it.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Agreed, they both made big mistakes in leaving.

In all seriousness, hopefully Tippett misses out on premiership success, whilst the Crows win a flag or 2.

I don't hold the same grudge against Gunston - at least Hawks were fair in their trading - unlike the Swans who held us over a barrel knowing that we had a dodgey contract.

 

[bigtexan]

I guess champ data dont have a stat for ticker... If they included that would have knocked us down a few spots i think

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I guess champ data dont have a stat for ticker... If they included that would have knocked us down a few spots i think

I would have thought missed/ineffective tackles would be more of the issue.