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Draft Watcher D_P_S Draft Watch 2017
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the danger is you are ranking wa boys on one game
i would wait and see how they go on wednesday
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woollen cannot get a game for vic metro
his game has some serious flaws
not sure he is athletic enough for his size
i think stoddart and mynott are best of that group
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They have a bye if I am not mistaken.
21. Will Sutherland - Sandringham Dragons/VIC M
22. Patrick Naish - Northern Knights/VIC M
23. Noah Balta - Calder Cannons/VIC M
I would be very happy with these 3 players at Richmond - Hope your right mate
22. Patrick Naish - Northern Knights/VIC M
23. Noah Balta - Calder Cannons/VIC M
I would be very happy with these 3 players at Richmond - Hope your right mate
mickjagger
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No Domic or D Henderson surprising...would have them both in the 50-60 range
Disgree - there's a few on the Metro list who have flaws and won't be drafted. Last year 17 players from Victoria got drafted without playing champs - just because you get selected isn't a prerequisite for getting drafted.
Bishop, DPS and Knightmare (and others) I enjoy reading your posts, some people say stats are the pass mark for a players impact on the game which is one way but I think not the only way. If a player is given a role to do and does that role really well by keeping their opponent quiet and doesn't rack up stats himself, isn't that like them having just as much influence on the game as much as someone that gets 20 disposals.
I don't think you can just look at what is on paper if you weren't at the game to see the overall perspective. What are your thoughts?
I don't think you can just look at what is on paper if you weren't at the game to see the overall perspective. What are your thoughts?
eDPS
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Yep so many more things you pick up actually going to games you also can't see if a player has been injured and that effects their numbers. Coffield and Worpel for example should have better TAC averages if not for eating injured early in the game earlier this year
Think ringo 1 may agree with you MJ
It's always best to be at the game live - like stats, there is also a difference between watching a game live & watching on tape/online streams. Positioning/Running patterns are very hard, if not impossible to gauge off watching the tape.
Same theory applies with stats - you can get a good idea of someones game. Eg: Player X had 19 contested possessions out of his 28 disposals, you can get a inkling he played on the inside.
Someone like Jack Higgins is a big disposal winning player - but his impact can be questionable watching and from the stats. He collects 30 disposals, but his inside 50/rebound 50 numbers are low eg: 1 or 2, which indicates not many of his disposals were damaging getting the ball forward/helping them score. Whereas someone with 20 disposals, but eight inside 50s you can make a case he was more impactful (Of course these numbers are just a slim example, without even looking at kicking efficiency etc)
There are just soooo many stats which can make it hard at times on what is important to comprehend.
To answer your question "isn't that like them having just as much influence on the game as much as someone that gets 20 disposal"
Players need to be more than just a lock down defender, they need to be able to rebound well, intercept the ball - rather than stopping Key Forward from kicking a goal. Yes this might be important trying to win games by keeping Key Forward tight - if he doesn't do too much (other than lock down defend) it's hard to see him transitioning to the next level.
Not too many draftees get given roles in their games, yes they might want to keep a player quiet, but there is no tagging in U18 football so there is no real need to beat your man.
So how would you rate a player in a defensive role that keeps some of the best small forwards in the country to an average of one goal per game over five games. But, is only getting ten disposals themselves.
eDPS
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Depends on their size as well but many of the best defenders at AFL level can intercept well and are smart users who have elite traits. You can't just select a player on their pure defensive play it's hard for those players to get AFL games consistently. It's all well and good to stop some dangerous forwards but once in awhile you have to be able to show a quality attacking side. McGrath a perfect example
Very rare that specialist back pockets get drafted, as you see as AFL level a lot of the 1st yr players (drafted as midfielders) come in and play as a back pocket. Andy McGrath for one will be a midfielder at AFL level long term, but starts his career as a small defender. Nick Vlaustin another example for Richmond, drafted as a midfielder who then turns into a small defender in his first few years at AFL level.
McGrath has been playing some great football. Uses his speed and reads the game well.
I saw Hutchy Jnr question the other day so thought I would get some insight into how you look at small defenders.
I've been sucked in many times ranking those small defenders and watching them struggle at AFL level.
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There are few small forwards at tac level who will make it so it is irrelevant
Jack Higgins will play afl but others are nowhere near certainties
I would describe a kid playing this role as a role player which is a good effort but not a draftable role
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Hutchy Jnr
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There are several small forwards (sub 180cm) that could get their names called out this year? Thats a huge call. Plenty of Small forwards around the country:
Players such as
Brett Daniels (172cm) arguably top 25 pick. Gyran Miers (177cm) second or third round, Lachlan Fogarty (179cm) talks of again a top 30.
Not sure why you say just because there are few small forwards at tac level who will make it so it is irrelevant.
I agree with you that someone just playing a role player and has no other strings to their bow is not draftable.
footy24seven
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I think the key for any small, and really you are talking sub 184 cm, is that you must be more than a forward or a defender. You must have some X factor. Elite traits that transfer across to afl level. Pace and agility combined with vision and awareness, footy smarts, silky foot skills, versatility and elite habits. If you fit in this category, you will find a home at afl level, they will find one for you.
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HedgeFund
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Leave Patrick Brookes alone please. It's getting really tiresome and we don't want his dad coming onto the board for a third time do we?
TAC kids don't get drafted playing purely as a shut down back pocket. It will be TAC level midfielders with a defensive mindset who can shut down an opponent when required who end up in that role at AFL level. I can't recall a single small defender at TAC level who got drafted without being in Metro.
HedgeFund
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Hopefully Brayshaw and Constable are bumped up as well?
Happens with Dragons players every year IMO.
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