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Peter Sidorkiewicz

Peter Sidorkiewicz

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Where does he rank among Collingwood's other midfielders and small forwards?

My ranking
Midfield:
1.Swan
2.Pendlebury
3.Didak
4.Davis
5.O'Bree
6.Beams
7.Thomas

Sidebottom and Wellingham are very close behind.

Small forward:
1.Davis
2.Didak
3.Medhurst
4.Lockyer
5.Dick
6.Thomas

The point of this thread that Thomas hasn't really imposed himself as either a midfielder or small forward and should be the teams no.1 trade bait. He's young, flamboyant and talented so he has significant trade currency. But when you stack him up against others in the exactly the same team at two different positions, losing him for a gun ruckman or a key position player isn't going to have much effect to the depth of the position he plays.
 
I'm not saying we should give him away for nothing but if we are serious about chasing big names like Daniel Kerr, Pavlich, Jolly then he should obviously come into consideration to be part of the package.
 

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Didn't you see him in finals? He was up there with our best.
Why trade a young player on the rise for some old fart who might have max 3 or 4 seasons?

Stupid thread.
 
No thanks.. Unbelievably talented and versatile..
Isn't consistent but i will note that a lot of his hard work goes unnoticed..
You can only really tell when you are at the game.
 
I've given him a sly boot more often than not already here but his finals series all but confirmed to me how good he is going to be.
There is no way we would possibly get fair value for him because he has so much untapped potential that I think would probably only be evident to the Collingwood staff at this stage.

I'm more than willing to give him time now, the tools are there, I've got no doubt he is going to be an absolute ripper. Would love to see him played primarily as a mid or attacking HBF next year.
 
Peter, he is tradeable if a great deal came up, as is every player on the list, as we don't have any absolute superstars.

Your argument falls down on your rankings. Thomas was reasonably good in the finals and only eclipsed by Swan. Yes, Pendlberry is better but to rate a journeyman like Lockyer higher as a forward, and Dick at this stage is ludicrous. O'Bree was also terrible in the finals, so to rate him higher as a midfielder. I strongly disagree.

Both Didak and Davis went missing in the finals as well so I don't think they deserve to be rated higher than Thomas.

You have based your argument on a false assumption.
 
In one word, no. He's only 22 and has spent this year developing the defensive side of his game. He hasn't been playing the small forward role this year so that ranking is useless. He only really got a proper go in the midfield when Pendlebury got injured and showed how good he can be in that position. Bucks comes in next year and will teach him how to be successful in the midfield.

2010 will be the year where he will show people what he is made of, so trading him would be stupid.
 
Heckles said:
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Contrary to everyone else, I think it is a fair point. We are approaching trade period, and therefore many players have been assessed as to their tradeability. Thomas is no exception, and Peter is entitled to his opinion.

I think you should be moving Thomas up two spots on the small forward rankings, and a spot or two in the midfield rankings, but the message is largely the same - Dale Thomas is an example of someone who probably has as much (if not more) value in a trade than in the team.

Dale Thomas, coupled with our first round pick should be able to land us a very good player. And while he is a good player for the club, we seem to have some depth at his position.
 

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One very important thing about Thomas

To win premierships you need players that stand up in finals.

Thomas was one of the very few this year that actually tried and put himself on the line during each finals match.He tried hard.

Another pre season under his belt and he will rip it up in the midfield,cause that's where he plays his best footy,not in the forward or backlines.

F...n MaLthouse YOU ONLY GET THE BEST OUT OF PLAYERS IF YOU PLAY THEM IN THEIR RIGHT POISTIONS DUMBCOFF !
Boy the sooner Bucks takes over the sooner we will see a flag!
 
showed some very good signs over the past month.

What is his postion though?

Not strong enough for a full midfield role.Can we try him as a floating mobile HF ala Hird?I like him as a rebounding defender but our defence is pretty set.Too good for a fulltime tagging role.Would of been a classic winger 15 years ago

really needs to hit the weights this off-season.
 
It's all about buy low sell high. We drafted Thomas at 2. His trade value now would not get that in return even though we have put a lot of time into developing him and he has steadily improved as a player from year to year.

I think he will be the outside midfielder that we need if he can build his tank and gut running ability up. The line breaker who is willing to really go when it is his turn and has clean hands around the stoppages. His finishing skills by foot aren't ideal but they are generally neat enough.
 
You have absolutely got to be kidding. You have Thomas below O'bree?
As others have pointed out, Thomas was one of our best players in the finals and is coming along nicely. He's only 22. If he continues to improve at this rate he could be a very, very damaging player in a couple of years. If anything I think he's a bit of a victim of excessive expectations.
 
jerry springer said:
showed some very good signs over the past month.

What is his postion though?

Not strong enough for a full midfield role.Can we try him as a floating mobile HF ala Hird?I like him as a rebounding defender but our defence is pretty set.Too good for a fulltime tagging role.Would of been a classic winger 15 years ago

really needs to hit the weights this off-season.
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I don't know if I'd be suggesting him to put more weight on. He's also a smart player and knows where to get the ball in traffic.

I think an area where he could improve is his tank. He needs to get really fit over the pre-season so he can run out games.
 
Coin_Toss said:
I don't know if I'd be suggesting him to put more weight on. He's also a smart player and knows where to get the ball in traffic.

I think an area where he could improve is his tank. He needs to get really fit over the pre-season so he can run out games.
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I dont disagree but he needs to make the switch from being a player who gets the ball 15-18 times a game to a player who gets 22-25 a game.

basically he needs to attach himself to Swanny for the summer
 

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Coin_Toss said:
I don't know if I'd be suggesting him to put more weight on. He's also a smart player and knows where to get the ball in traffic.

I think an area where he could improve is his tank. He needs to get really fit over the pre-season so he can run out games.
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TANK absolutely needs increasing.
I'd get him on a similar but not identical program to Swan. Gut running but not always trying to bust the lines, sometimes Thomas needs to do more support running, so that he can get a few more cheap penetrating possessions.

Thomas is value as he breaks the game open. To our forward line he is not unlike Heath Shaw, a player who can tear it up with his speed. He will become even better if he can mix this burst running with some Swan style gut running.

Swan is one of the quickest at Collingwood in a sprint, but it's the fact he can go longer than most mids at the high pace that makes it hard for opponents to tag him successfully.

I'd love to see Thomas play off half-back for next season alongside Heath Shaw as they would play like terriers, and give us great running drive. Expect improvement from Dick in the forward line to take Thomas' negating role.
 
This year will be so valuable for Thomas.

With him playing in different positions and having to play a different role within the team the experience he would have gained will help him grow as a player.

Next year he will start to play more in the midfield and that is where he will play his best footy.
 
[quote=shawthing09;15844702]It's all about buy low sell high.
It is not as clear as this in my opinion. If were, it would mean we would trade away O'Brien, Maxwell, etc because we would get far better return from them than their draft pick suggested.

It is actually about value to the team versus the value of what we would get in return. EVen though we could probably get a first rounder for Harry giving us a huge "buy low sell high" profit, we wouldn't do it because Harry is worth to the team than a first round pick

In this case, the suggestion is that Thomas' value is less to the team (over the long run) that what he could bring in a trade. Now don't get me wrong, I rate Thomas, but there is a chance that he could fecth more on the market than he could contribute to our team.
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King Woodie said:
[quote=shawthing09;15844702]It's all about buy low sell high.
In this case, the suggestion is that Thomas' value is less to the team (over the long run) that what he could bring in a trade. Now don't get me wrong, I rate Thomas, but there is a chance that he could fecth more on the market than he could contribute to our team.
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I see what your saying and obviously a players value to the team is the most important way to determine their value. Having said all that if we are going to trade Thomas we would be best served IMO to wait a couple of years when he is playing more consistant damaging football as I think he will be.

That considered when he is playing that kind of football we probably won't want to trade him.
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