Damaged Reps in the Media/Journalistic Domain.

[Baltimore Jack]

steven j peake sen currently

He is a disgraceful fool

 

[HairyO]

please don't give Rebecca Wilson a gold star for anything. If you spew enough opinions around eventually one of them is bound to be right.

As to Robbo it has been insane watching him on AFL360 over the years that this debacle has taken place. He really does have the emotional intelligence of a child. Gets worked up and angry, tried constantly to deflect attention away from Essendon/Hird and on to the AFL, indulged in conspiracy theories (the Essendon mother was a plant!), and any time he even attempted to ask a difficult question he'd become a fidgety, pen-playing, note-taking mess. But his WORST offence of all of that, was his CONSTANT refusal to take responsibility for his opinions in favor of blaming non-existent ghost entities:

"people think..."
"some people out there are saying..."
"people are asking..."
"to the people out there who wonder..."
"everybody is out there saying..."
"there's people out there now thinking that..."
"people question whether..."

FFS man, just be an adult and stop hiding behind imaginary third parties.

They werent imaginary third parties. A lot of people were asking a lot of questions and saying a lot of things.

The point is, it is not his job to parrot what social media says. He is meant to be the boss at the HS. He should be leading the debate.

The "independent tribunal", complete with hand movements. Garry Lyon and Caro weren't in disagreement either.

As for Lloyd, I actually think he did ok - he was clearly shocked by the result, but he is very much a team man so that's quite understandable. Over the course of Footy Classified the other night you could slowly see him accept it, and he knew in the end it was the correct decision.

I think Lloyd was disgusted that the players didnt tell Doc Reid anything. You could tell he wanted to say more than he did, but he was saying that he couldnt believe they didnt say anything to the doctor. Especially when Reid is the personal doctor to so many of these players as well.

 

[NikkiNoo]

Not that he has said a whole lot but Mark Ricuitto when he has spoken up is another who has not been blinded by the fact he is one of the boys.

Roo's tweets on the day were excellent and really did stand out in contrast to the other older players in the media. Roo is actually a very successful and astute businessman in his own right, which a lot of people just see country bogan tough footy player with a lot of kids instead.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Tim Watson is understandable. Any parent would defend their child. If he wanted to be regarded as a professional, however, he should have said from the beginning that he was too emotionally invested to comment. Instead he has been repeatedly embarrassing.

Robinson and Connolly have ruined their professional reputations. Newman's was non-existent to begin with.

I generally have little regard for Wilson or Barrett in general but their reputations have been enhanced through this.

And Titus O'Reilly has won the entire three years!

I see Watson as having defended Essendon, more than defending his son.
And that's what is so disappointing about the whole thing.

If he really wanted to defend his son - he should have directed everything he had at the club in order to find out what he was given.

But he didn't. He planted himself in the 'we did nothing wrong' and the 'ASADA and the AFL are out to get us' camps.

So I see him less as defending his son, and more trying to weasel out of it, like the rest of them.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Excellent. One of his main points was 'The rest of the sporting world is laughing at the AFL'. Trying to point out that the AFL know f*** about how to investigate, judge and apply sanctions in a drugs case.

He nailed it on SEN this morning.
Stated that everyone in the world now knows, that if whole thing had have been run by the AFL without external intervention, it would have been a whitewash.

I mean seriously, how damming is that.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The 3 worth reading over the 3 years - Baker and McKenzie - they are investigative journo's working on crooks, corrupt police and corrupt politicians so you would expect decent stuff from them, but they departed after the first 12 months or so. The Age's Jon Pierek was the other one because over 90% of his articles were the facts and not opinion pieces and dealing with rumours and innuendo and trying to back a certain horse.

Caro Meldrum-Hanna on 7.30 ( blackcat calls her the love child of Caro Wilson, Paul Molly Meldrum and Mil Hanna) was worth watching but 7.30 seemed to take her off the story once the Cronulla deal was done with ASADA in August 2014 and a couple of others followed the AFL part of the saga for 7.30.

The rest ie the footy journos - not the ex player galoots - had their moments where they did some good stuff, but for too long, they were more worried about backing the right horse, playing favourites, paybacks, worried more about rumour and innuendo and you knew most of them had not read the WADA Code and AFL Anti-doping Code or if they had they had no ****en idea how it worked.

Just like investigative journo Andrew Jennings over the years has showed how sports journos arent much chop when he investigated the IOC and then FIFA, because they are too worried about being mates with the main players or not wanting to lose access to players, coaches or officials, same thing happened here, the sports journos, were average at best, because it was a bit too big and too complex for them to handle.

There was no David Walsh type sporting journo in this saga.

 

[blackcat]

The 3 worth reading over the 3 years - Baker and McKenzie - they are investigative journo's working on crooks, corrupt police and corrupt politicians so you would expect decent stuff from them, but they departed after the first 12 months or so. The Age's Jon Pierek was the other one because over 90% of his articles were the facts and not opinion pieces and dealing with rumours and innuendo and trying to back a certain horse.

Caro Meldrum-Hanna on 7.30 ( blackcat calls her the love child of Caro Wilson, Paul Molly Meldrum and Mil Hanna) was worth watching but 7.30 seemed to take her off the story once the Cronulla deal was done with ASADA in August 2014 and a couple of others followed the AFL part of the saga for 7.30.

The rest ie the footy journos - not the ex player galoots - had their moments where they did some good stuff, but for too long, they were more worried about backing the right horse, playing favourites, paybacks, worried more about rumour and innuendo and you knew most of them had not read the WADA Code and AFL Anti-doping Code or if they had they had no ****en idea how it worked.

Just like investigative journo Andrew Jennings over the years has showed how sports journos arent much chop when he investigated the IOC and then FIFA, because they are too worried about being mates with the main players or not wanting to lose access to players, coaches or AFL officials, same thing happened here, the sports journos, were average at best, because it was a bit too big and too complex for them to handle.

There was David Walsh type sporting journo in this saga.

the best commentator in this saga embroglio with an e and d'affaire flagrante was undoubtedly mr blackcat. he or she added a level farcical and a jocularity not too often seen on the figbooty. he put the booty into figbooty. grammar too

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Dave Culbert has been brilliant .
Listening to him school and just maybe get through to the jockstrap wearing Cameron Mooney was terrific .
For him to get the truth out there to the public whilst surrounded by the snout in trough brigade that is the Melbourne football media is a credit to him .
He has been everything Mark Robinson hasn't , informed , well researched , articulate and courageous .
"Mr delusional" ... well played sir !!

Not living in Melbourne I dont listen to SEN, only occasionally on the net. But that doesnt surprise me about Culbert as he has been an excellent commentator for years and he pinged Demetriou the day or two after the big presser when 7 had some special and there were about 10 participants. He said the AFL only had 2 lines about drug testing in their 2011 annual report. Demetriou fobbed him off and said no way. I looked it up and it was 2 lines specifically about PED's and rest of the 1/4 of a page about generalities and 3/4 of a page about illicit drugs.

But I ask Dave, how hard has he gone at the real stituation in athletics, how hard did he go before the WADA independent report into IAAF came out in November and how hard after it, and how hard today after the 2nd report was released last night???

 

[blackcat]

He nailed it on SEN this morning.
Stated that everyone in the world now knows, that if whole thing had have been run by the AFL without external intervention, it would have been a whitewash.

I mean seriously, how damming is that.

ask justin charles

Not living in Melbourne I dont listen to SEN, only occasionally on the net. But that doesnt surprise me about Culbert as he has been an excellent commentator for years and he pinged Demetriou the day or two after the big presser when 7 had some special and there were about 10 participants. He said the AFL only had 2 lines about drug testing in their 2011 annual report. Demetriou fobbed him off and said no way. I looked it up and it was 2 lines specifically about PED's and rest of the 1/4 of a page about generalities and 3/4 of a page about illicit drugs.

But I ask Dave, how hard has he got at the real stituation in athletics, how hard did he go before the WADA independent report into IAAF came out in November and how hard after it, and how hard today after the 2nd report was released last night???

dave was in finals with Lewis and I think he was even in the Mike Powell WR final, Dave does not know doping, no way, ho hear, no how.

my position is you dont make a world champs final without help. even then.

 

[chelseacarlton]

the best commentator in this saga embroglio with an e and d'affaire flagrante was undoubtedly mr blackcat. he or she added a level farcical and a jocularity not too often seen on the figbooty. he put the booty into figbooty. grammar too

Agreed.
I for one accept that I only understood at least 50% of what mr/mizz blackcat posted,but found that the booty was definitely loaded with a bootiful load booty to boot,grammour and soccour mumms.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Given this clown was providing advise to various parties at Essendon I think his rantings were probably the biggest insight into what the mind set was in the bunker. I wonder how many in the shame file were being briefed by him.

Didn't he draft the consent forms?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

dave was in finals with Lewis and I think he was even in the Mike Powell WR final, Dave does not know doping, no way, ho hear, no how.

my position is you dont make a world champs final without help. even then.

Yep Dave was good mates with Powell and competed and sat with him all night at that 1991 world champs final in Tokyo, calming him down as Carl Lewis produced the greatest series of jumps in history think 5 4 in a row over 8.65, one which broke Beamon's record but the wind reading was too high. He wrote a great article about it just before the 2007 World champs on the Athletics Australia site, but alas I never saved it and Internet Archive cant help me as I have found the link I posted on the Games board.

 

[blackcat]

Agreed.
I for one accept that I only understood at least 50% of what mr/mizz blackcat posted,but found that the booty was definitely loaded with a bootiful load booty to boot,grammour and soccour mumms.

yes, 61_99 was a fan of mr blackcat. I have the ambition to create a new demographic classification of succour moms.

they fill the gap between soccer mums and doctors wives. There is room for another category.

jenny61_99

 

[blackcat]

Yep Dave was good mates with Powell and competed and sat with him all night at that 1991 world champs final in Tokyo as Carl Lewis produced the greatest series of jumps in history think 5 in a row over 8.65, one which broke Beamon's record but the wind reading was too high. He wrote a great article about it just before the 2007 World champs on the Athletics Australia site, but alas I never saved it and Internet Archive cant help me as I have found the link I posted on the Games board.

just email him for a copy.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Try as I might, I have failed to identify anyone that rates Robbo (at least way out West).

How Fox Footy thinks he adds to 360 is a complete mystery to me.

Gil exposed him for the simpleton he is when he tried to ask his hard questions without fully reading/understanding the reports and evidence provided on the PED scandal. Gerard's WTF look on occasions was priceless.

360 is so much better when it is Gerard and Sheahan, they actually work off of each other and understand the topics

 

[Chameleon75]

ask justin charles

dave was in finals with Lewis and I think he was even in the Mike Powell WR final, Dave does not know doping, no way, ho hear, no how.

my position is you dont make a world champs final without help. even then.

he knows how sport works, I think he said he once bunked with Dean "pass me the steak" Capobianco

 

[Chameleon75]

the best commentator in this saga embroglio with an e and d'affaire flagrante was undoubtedly mr blackcat. he or she added a level farcical and a jocularity not too often seen on the figbooty. he put the booty into figbooty. grammar too

campaigning for a figbooty award

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Gold Star:
Damian Barrett

I always thought Barrett was an utter jerk. But he needs kudos for effectively breaking the story that no one wanted to touch, and sticking to his guns.
He sat there and was ridiculed by Sam Newman each week but maintained the rage - albeit in a rational and professional way.

That is a fair call about Barrett, breaking the story and sticking to his guns when Sam tried to belittle him on TV, and you have to give him credit for that. But as I wrote before, like other journos, at times he tried to back a certain horse rather than report facts, and he wasn't great at understanding the full procedures of an ASADA investigation and the WADA Code/AFL Anti-doping Code finer details.

 

[blackcat]

he knows how sport works, I think he said he once bunked with Dean "pass me the steak" Capobianco

bottom or top?
Matt Barber with the lube?

 

[Chameleon75]

bottom or top?
Matt Barber with the lube?

hard to know grindr wasn't around then

 

[Akka76]

bottom or top?
Matt Barber with the lube?

Cylon, calling Cylon!

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Mark Fine (said the job of carrying other people's piss was fitting for ASADA/WADA Employees)

Quite the ego, for someone that makes a living listening to deadshits' dribble at him after a big game.

I think the big winner has to be Barrett, in that he went from being lumped in with the rest of the TV/radio hungry boys in the footy media, to actually winning some respect. Showed some common sense and wasn't shy about having a crack at the AFL (his employer).

 

[Akka76]

Chip Le Grand lost, Robbo lost, Tracey Holmes lost.

Roy Master, Nick McKenzie & Richard Baker won.

Bec Wilson, not sure yet.

 

[3rd Grade Maggy]

I thought Gerard Healy was pretty good on the whole thing too

 

[Red Bull]

Chip Le Grand lost, Robbo lost, Tracey Holmes lost.

Roy Master, Nick McKenzie & Richard Baker won.

Bec Wilson, not sure yet.

Can't see how slobbo lost ,
He had nothing to lose ...