Oppo Camp Dangerfield's Gone (Zero tolerance to trolling) - READ THREAD LINKED IN OP BEFORE POSTING

[beartoo]

I actually agree with you and love big JJ but correct me if I am wrong. I might be thinking about someone else but hasn't Josh Jenkins character, heart and desire come into questions many times?

Not lately. Improved immensely in the 2nd half of the year after a 'man talk' with Phil. His contested marking in particular and his body work in packs was much improved after this. He still has upside and will be a force to be reckoned with in coming years.

 

[hippyhippy]

You know im starting to wonder if the sound of 2 first round picks are making people confused... these 2 first round picks are mid first.. pick 9 and then pick 10 to 15. I doubt they will be a shitter team with danger in there. These 2 picks alone are shit compensation for a top 5 talent. Rather he get to the psd instead to brisbane.

 

[Wood_Duck]

There is no compo pick if a trade is being done. So we either match, and Geelong are the ones to cough up the picks/player or we don't match, in which case we'll just get the compo pick. It can't be a combination of both.

It doesnt seem to matter how many times this gets said.

 

[Smithtastic33]

Not lately. Improved immensely in the 2nd half of the year after a 'man talk' with Phil. His contested marking in particular and his body work in packs was much improved after this. He still has upside and will be a force to be reckoned with in coming years.

Fair enough.

 

[Wood_Duck]

I am a teenage girl and they did just break up. Gessshhhhh

Would never have guessed.

 

[relapse]

Why are people suggesting the compo pick is in play.. firstly its dodgy. Secondly the rest of the comp suffers while geelong get the advantage. U think the other 16 clubs will be happy? We need to make geelong weaker not give them a freebie. What a joke.

There is no way that the compo pick will be in play.

All trades have to be signed off by Ken Wood as fair and equitable. This means that Geelong cant trade pick 9 for our pick 30 or anything along those lines.

 

[1990crow]

18 years between hot dinners.

I'm beginning to think you may be a troll..

 

[Smithtastic33]

There is no compo pick if a trade is being done. So we either match, and Geelong are the ones to cough up the picks/player or we don't match, in which case we'll just get the compo pick. It can't be a combination of both.

Well it can. We shouldn't do it or even look at it but it can be done.

We don't match. Dangerfield goes to Geelong and we get pick 14 as a compo pick.

Adelaide then trade Grigg or Kerridge and a 3rd round pick to Geelong for pick 9

Adelaide end up qwith Pick 9 and compo pick 14 for Grigg, Dangerfield and a 3rd round pick.

As long as the 2 clubs can demostraight equality, the AFL won't investigate.

 

[AusTerran]

Honestly, anyone comparing what we get from Geelong to the compo pick we have already lost and geelong smiling. Forget about the compo pick, we match Geelong offer and trade him like his is a top 3 player in the league and trade accordingly!
If Geelong don't want to offer a fair trade for a top 3 player, PD can then think about which of the Melbourne clubs waving big cash in his face he'll like to play for and happy to trade fairly with Adelaide and risk the draft.
Rather lose the compo pick in a weak draft and see him walk personally.

 

[Smithtastic33]

I'm beginning to think you may be a troll..

Beleive what you like.

Trading becomes a very important component towards winning? doesn't it?

If we have a history of being a fair trading club or a club that accepts unders, as was said. That then doesn't result in us gaining many wins at the trade table and thsat then doesn't equate to positive on field results. We can only play the Tippett draft pick losses for so long.

On field results leads to the premiership window opening or staying open. Look at Port, they have attracted a number of good players and picks to improve that playing list. They got a massive win in the Burgoyne trade.

Trading and drafting win games. We are 18 years and counting. You see my post as a troll, I see it as factual.

 

[6BTS]

You are completely correct.

There's no chance Adelaide get two first rounders plus a highly valued young player like Cockatoo (making the deal essentially three first rounders).

Conversely, there's no chance Geelong gets it done by offering scraps like a second round pick and a player who can't get a regular senior game.

Two first rounders is enough to have both parties somewhat dissatisfied. Take it to the bank.

If you think you getting Dangerfield with 2 first rounders, probably mid first round picks, is somewhat dissatisfying to your club then the GFC must feel massively entitled. You're gaining Patrick Dangerfield, we're losing Patrick Dangerfield, you don't have the mindset of how we're feeling at the moment and some of the things you have said have been a little insensitive to a supporter base that has just lost their best player for reasons which aren't that good for a guy that wants to play football in a league where there's a very strong chance you HAVE to move away from home to play (thank God he didn't go in the military, he'd be a broken man when they simply tell him "no" to his request to return home).

 

[Danger Zone]

The compo pick is not going to be part of any deal with Geelong, end of story. It would reek of tampering and the last thing we need is another incident.

Imagine we let Danger walk and then the AFL blocks any lopsided trades we make with Geelong. That is the worst possible outcome for us.

 

[Smithtastic33]

Would never have guessed.

Was this post needed?

 

[douglyzia]

Can anyone with a good memory explain how we got 3 picks (27, 31 and 68) from Gold Coast in exchange for pick 24 that we got as part of sending Gunston to Hawthorn? Was there something else involved?

 

[Large 1]

The addition of a player helps because the have no certain value and therefore it makes it hard to the AFL to state it is an unjustified trade.

Also the uncertainty around next years draft picks also helps. For example if we traded Mackay and next years second and third round picks for their first and second picks next year it is theoretically possible (if Geelong win a premiership and we get a wooden spoon - note I said "theoretically possible") that such a trade would end up being Geelong get a player for a downgrade of their 1st and 2nd draft pick by 1 position. In reality it might be much different, but the AFL will not be able to assess the value of such a trade very easily due to the uncertainty of next years ladder.

 

[JP Sauce]

Well it can. We shouldn't do it or even look at it but it can be done.

We don't match. Dangerfield goes to Geelong and we get pick 14 as a compo pick.

Adelaide then trade Grigg or Kerridge and a 3rd round pick to Geelong for pick 9

Adelaide end up qwith Pick 9 and compo pick 14 for Grigg, Dangerfield and a 3rd round pick.

As long as the 2 clubs can demostraight equality, the AFL won't investigate.

There's no way that trade would sail through unquestioned. Pick 9 for a player who can't make our best 22.

 

[douglyzia]

Can someone give me an unbiased wrap of his interview on 5aa this morning?

Danger did as Danger always does. Say all the right, politically correct, things whilst making everyone question his genuinity (yes, I made up that word).

 

[baldandbroke]

Just had a thought regarding PD and the trade period this year...

Don't forget the sub is gone next year - and the interchanges are being wound back.

That would effect PD. He is a massive burst player - that rule might hamper him more than some other players.

Also, this surely changes plenty of dynamics for what we need. Experienced AFL footballers are going to be worth a lot more than young players with no tank. It should mean players like Adcock have more worth, so maybe we are setting ourselves up to poach established players to fill our list? I know that we have a couple of good prospects in the Cat B Rookies. Maybe our entire strategy is changing, and low draft picks having massive currency might be the old way.

 

[marty36]

The addition of a player helps because the have no certain value and therefore it makes it hard to the AFL to state it is an unjustified trade.

Also the uncertainty around next years draft picks also helps. For example if we traded Mackay and next years second and third round picks for their first and second picks next year it is theoretically possible (if Geelong win a premiership and we get a wooden spoon - note I said "theoretically possible") that such a trade would end up being Geelong get a player for a downgrade of their 1st and 2nd draft pick by 1 position. In reality it might be much different, but the AFL will not be able to assess the value of such a trade very easily due to the uncertainty of next years ladder.

Why would we do all that when we can demand two first rounders and a player without giving up Jack?

 

[Smithtastic33]

There's no way that trade would sail through unquestioned. Pick 9 for a player who can't make our best 22.

It was a hypothetical

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I actually agree with you and love big JJ but correct me if I am wrong. I might be thinking about someone else but hasn't Josh Jenkins character, heart and desire come into questions many times?

Maybe so ...and considering we are talking about
him is because we are discussing our strategy post tippett you'd have to say similar thing

Just had a thought regarding PD and the trade period this year...

Don't forget the sub is gone next year - and the interchanges are being wound back.

That would effect PD. He is a massive burst player - that rule might hamper him more than some other players.

Also, this surely changes plenty of dynamics for what we need. Experienced AFL footballers are going to be worth a lot more than young players with no tank. It should mean players like Adcock have more worth, so maybe we are setting ourselves up to poach established players to fill our list? I know that we have a couple of good prospects in the Cat B Rookies. Maybe our entire strategy is changing, and low draft picks having massive currency might be the old way.

danger will just spend more time deep forward where he has proven to be extremely dangerous

 

[Smithtastic33]

Maybe so ...and considering we are talking about
him is because we are discussing our strategy post tippett you'd have to say similar thing

Well, no. We were discussing trade wins and losses and if a number of supporters feel that way wouldn't that imply a draft loss (by some).

His most consistent games have been his past 10.

 

[Wood_Duck]

It was a hypothetical

Shame Noble doesnt get to save his job, by coming up with hypotheticals.

 

[Smithtastic33]

Shame Noble doesnt get to save his job, by coming up with hypotheticals.

You do know we are posting on the internet?

This is not my job.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Well, no. We were discussing trade wins and losses and if a number of supporters feel that way wouldn't that imply a draft loss (by some).

His most consistent games have been his past 10.

I'm not considering it a straight swap, it was never a straight swap as we essentially got nothing for Tippett other than 2 year trade embargo of 1st/2nd round picks

I'm calling it a v good pick considering the cards we held post the sanctions so you have to give credit to noble presuming it was reid and trigg responsible for burning our Tippett trade

If you don't want to give credit to noble for that and getting tom lynch onto the list then you are just seeing the things you want to see because you're mind is made up

Jenkins - win
Lynch - win
Mackay - bad