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You have clearly missed my point. Geelong may as well have told Danger to just bide his time for two more years as they aren't prepared to pay massive overs for two years of his services when he could be aquired two years later FOR NOTHING!

Which begs the question, why did Geelong chase him now and not offer a godfather contract that we couldn't match? They are playing right into our hands.

My theory is that Danger expressed an interest in coming home for family reasons and Geelong didn't feel like they could or should say "wait another 2 years so we can get you for nothing". If they weren't willing to pay a sufficient amount they should either have waited 2 years or offered a huge contract. They have chosen not to and they have to live with the consequences of that decision. We will match and Geelong will have to come up with fair value as they would for any uncontracted player who nominates a club unless one of 2 things needs to happen 1 - the AFL up the compo or 2 - a side deal is done that gets us another first rounder or equivalent.

If he goes into the ND he will get picked up by a club who has him for one or 2 yesr and that club can then trade him to Geelong in exactly the same circumstances Geelong have now. I can't see Danger wanting to go into the ND and potentially ending up in Brisbane.

if Geelong won't come to the party I don't think Danger and Yoko staying in Adelaide for 2 more years is as far fetched as everyone thinks. We get 2 more years then GFC get him for nothing.
 
If Adelaide match and Geelong can't muster up the "compensation" Adelaide requires from them, then he either stays in Adelaide (which won't happen), or he nominates himself in the National Draft (not the PSD) where no club will give a first round national draft pick up for a player who doesn't want to be there over a potential 10+ year gun.

Of course he will be taken early in whatever draft. No doubt. I can't imagine how any sane person could think otherwise

1) he nominates 1 year at minimum wage and you retain his full trade rights. Big win
2) he nominated 2 years; by which time you've got 2 years to convince him to stay; no risk of long term injury and you retain his rights

In either scenario he loses free agency and has plenty of time to stew and fester over Geelongs broken promises to get something done

3) he signs elsewhere on big, long term money having nominated market terms

In none of these situations does he ever spend time in Geelong colours. It's over
 
It just isn't going to happen. If you match you'll accept what Geelong can trade to you which is reasonably better than pick #14. You lot bang on about how both Geelong and Adelaide's powers that be will ensure a fair trade is met for both, but don't consider what's fair and reasonable in the situation. Adelaide would already know what Geelong can offer by way of a trade BEFORE they elect to match. If they match, a trade will get done. Danger will not go to any draft, you guys will get better than pick #14 compo but nothing like two first rounders and one or more "quality players". You're just absolutely in la la land if you think that will happen.
I agree with that last bit. It will either be
A pick this year and next
Or
A pick and a player

(That is the best case for the Crows too depending if Geelong play hardball).

I would not mind Geelongs first round next year and a player this year. The draft pool next year is supposed to be brilliant.....and if all goes to plan we get a top 5 draft pick next year ;)
 

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Ablett and Franklin have nothing to do with it as they are different situations…one a compo system for expansion club selections, the other for FA compensation.

Once we match the offer Danger belongs to neither of these scenarios and free agency is absolutely 100% irrelevant.

So when we look to the past to determine relevance the closest trade would appear to be Judd. Beams not far off because while i believe he may have been under contract his value isn't as high as Dangerfield.

I understand that the scenarios are different but trying to gauge the value is similar. It was consider Ablett was worth two first round picks. I use this simply as a starting point to try and understand what is a realistic expectation for Danger.
 
Can fans on both side quit with the will or will nots.

Unless you are the ultimate decision maker at either club then you simply do not know what a club will and won't do.

Even if what you are saying is correct, you still didn't know, you guessed and chances are the reason for what ever ultimately happens is nothing like what you as a poster thinks.
 
The whole Geelong mentality in this is wrong.

They need to realise at some point they are TRADING for a genuine A+ grade elite player. Just drop all of this pathetic ridiculous 'FA' 'RFA' 'PSD' 'ND' embarrassing nonsense.

Coming to our board and telling us to take a modest speculative pick and 'maybe' a fringe player 'if we are lucky' is disrespectful and insulting.

2 first round picks in the top 10 and a player of Cockatoo/Murdoch/Gregson will not be ideal but we could at least look at in a TRADE.

Get it Cats fans?
 

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Perception is reality and the perception right now, we won't receive a fair trade.

The club still have to sell hope and they need to show the members and fans we won't be walked over. This then leads to that on field persona about fighting to the end.
That's not everyone perception. Either way, I'd rather let every expect nothing and be pleasantly surprised when we get something, than the other way around.
 
Lets say assume that Adelaide will accept 2 first round picks for PD. Not ideal for you but better that just 14. Now lets work backwards and find a solution that doesn't break AFL rules. I think the key might be Adelaides list. A previous Adelaide poster mentioned that Adelaide will probably 4 move off the list this year (including PD) and you'll upgrade one Rookie.
Let's say that Adelaide trades R2 2016 for Curtly Hampton (GWS need picks for Academy kids) and delists another player. Net effect is you are only taking 3 draft picks. So Adelaide and Geelong agree they don't match, get compensation pick 14 and you have 13 + 14 to start with. If Geelong could trade 9 to Adelaide, then the rest of their picks are not needed.

So the trade is Geelong pick 9 for Adelaide 31, 49, 67 and Rnd 3 2016 (as an example, assuming same ladder position and subject to extra FA picks for other clubs).

According to http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/biddingsystemfeedback.pdf, this is a swap of value 1469 points with 1247. I think that's close enough for the AFL and Ken Wood to pass.

Net result is that Adelaide trade away 3 picks they wouldn't use this year anyway (31,49,67), and lose R3 2016. Adelaide now has added 2 x R1 draft picks (9,13,14) for 2015 and Geelong get some middle/late draft picks they need for this year. Geelong and Adelaide are reasonable clubs and this is a close to win-win you will get for losing a star player.
Or - we just get Pick 9 and a first 22 player. Either or.
 
Burgoyne was two first rounds. Brad Ottens was to get him to Geelong.

Dangerfield has nothing in common with Franklin or Ablett. They were compo selections and we are trading an out of contract player.

An underrated post. At the time the Cats traded picks #12 and #16 for Ottens who had a pretty bad injury history up until that point. #12 was gained by trading Brent Moloney to Melbourne, who had received it from us for in exchange for Scott Thompson. I think we originally got it from West Coast as part of the Tyson Stenglein trade.

If we match the Dangerfield offer, asking for two first rounders and a player should not cause the Cats too many headaches in terms of getting those first rounders now that trading future picks are allowed.
 
I understand the emotions behind your mentality. In your situation I would feel the same. Hell, I've got a mad Adelaide suppoting wife who's also baying for blood. But it's simple really, if Adelaide match, a deal would have already been agreed upon before that happens. The trade will be something which falls somewhere in between a solitary pick #14 and two first rounders plus one or more quality players. It'll probably be pick #9 and either a second rounder next year or a player like Jordan Murdoch.
You're counting on the fact that the AFC aren't willing to risk losing pick 14…I believe they would be.
 

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Since Danger will be unrestricted in two year's time, he's only worth offering the value of two years of his services. For us to give you pick #9 in exchange for you guys to not match and also receive pick #14, I think that is more than fair. Personally I don't want to pay a king's ransom for a guy we can get in two years for nothing. Despite what you lot on here say, you don't have the upper hand. He's leaving Adelaide and only wants Geelong.

If Adelaide's demands are too crippling to the point that Geelong can't possibly satisfy what's being demanded, Danger will nominate for the ND where Geelong will pick him up with their pick #9. Unlike the PSD, club's will not pay a first round draft pick for a guy who has stated that he doesn't want to play for them and will only play for one year.

So in effect, Adelaide lose pick #14 AND pick #9. But you'll be stoked because you'll have made a stand and also kept your second and third rounders. Top logic there, bud!:thumbsu:


He's only a UFA in 2 years if he stays with us. We'd be happy to keep him for another 2 years and then get compo if Geelong aren't prepared to pay something near his value.
 
Lets say assume that Adelaide will accept 2 first round picks for PD. Not ideal for you but better that just 14. Now lets work backwards and find a solution that doesn't break AFL rules. I think the key might be Adelaides list. A previous Adelaide poster mentioned that Adelaide will probably 4 move off the list this year (including PD) and you'll upgrade one Rookie.
Let's say that Adelaide trades R2 2016 for Curtly Hampton (GWS need picks for Academy kids) and delists another player. Net effect is you are only taking 3 draft picks. So Adelaide and Geelong agree they don't match, get compensation pick 14 and you have 13 + 14 to start with. If Geelong could trade 9 to Adelaide, then the rest of their picks are not needed.

So the trade is Geelong pick 9 for Adelaide 31, 49, 67 and Rnd 3 2016 (as an example, assuming same ladder position and subject to extra FA picks for other clubs).

According to http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/biddingsystemfeedback.pdf, this is a swap of value 1469 points with 1247. I think that's close enough for the AFL and Ken Wood to pass.

Net result is that Adelaide trade away 3 picks they wouldn't use this year anyway (31,49,67), and lose R3 2016. Adelaide now has added 2 x R1 draft picks (9,13,14) for 2015 and Geelong get some middle/late draft picks they need for this year. Geelong and Adelaide are reasonable clubs and this is a close to win-win you will get for losing a star player.
This is probably the best 'danger leaving as free agent scenario' I've seen.
Only thing I don't like is the Hampton trade. Next year is supposed to be a much better draft than this year when it comes to depth. Not to mention we may have a f/s of our own, so I'd really like to keep our picks for next year. I can't work out a way around it though.
 

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