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[Bicks]

why on earth would geelong take mackay?

Carry Danger's bags, wash Paddy's brand new Ford, work at Costa's market garden counting the carrots?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Matching

Pick 9 and future first rounder.

Or pick 9, Murdock and future second or third.

Prefer the picks rather than players involved.

Be surprised is a non match scenario gets over the line.

Or my original trade prediction - pick #9, Cats 2016 1st rounder, Murdoch for Dangerfield & our 3rd rounder.

 

[Strangled Cat]

No idea. Send it to the clubs, they make the decisions not us.

I'm asking you, as a fan, if you would be happy with that deal or not?

 

[Strangled Cat]

No

Care to elaborate as to why?

 

[Red mist]

Or my original trade prediction - pick #9, Cats 2016 1st rounder, Murdoch for Dangerfield & our 3rd rounder.

My original is the 2 first rounders on a match because why would they rush in futures in the first place. If both clubs tinker with that with players and other pick swaps does it make it any better?

 

[SA_Stazza]

How likely is Redden to want to leave Brisbane for Adelaide? If the writing is on the wall for Redden in Brisbane's eyes, perhaps there's a reason why they are interested in Jansen. Is Adelaide interested in both Redden and Aish. In Adelaide supporter's opinion, what percentage of Dangerfield's worth would Redden and Aish equate to? I think that if a trade happens, one or more clubs will form the basis of any such trade.

Geelong has a player that Brisbane want, Brisbane has one or potentially multiple players that Adelaide want and Adelaide obviously has to be satisfied enough with a trade to facilitate a clean passage for Danger to get to Geelong. It has the potential to work for all parties.

Was going to do an entire long winded post on its own outlining all our possible trades but I keep seeing stuff like this and have posted elsewhere so here's what I came up with earlier:

Just wondering what you guys think of the following (working your club into the PD trade). I'm in no way trying to be disrespectful to your club, I feel for all of you after what you've been through in recent years (believe me, I speak from experience but not to the extent you've all been through it) but given Redden wants out, and I have it on good authority we are up to our necks in him coming over, I've come up with a possible trade that seems amicable for all parties involved:

With the likelihood of Jansen finding his way to the Gabba and Adelaide’s strong interest in Jack Redden, if Matthew Wright - uncontracted, 26yrs old next year, 94 games - proven midfielder when played there predominantly (see 2012) but has since struggled to get anywhere near the midfield with the Crouch Brothers coming on especially, not to mention our existing midfield stocks - decides he wouldn’t mind soaking up the rays in Brissy (who were after him a couple of years back) he in turn could go straight there as a means of satisfying list spots without Brissy having to take a god awful punt late in the draft on an unknown. If it means Redden’s passage to Adelaide is made smoother by all means, we'll try to make it happen.

Brisbane will want a 1st rounder for one of their most consistent and admirable performers of the last 6 years, and rightly so. I would be more than happy to sacrifice our existing 1st rounder (~pick 13) this year for his services, ensuring we trump any offer West Coast can take to Brissy. Leaving us with pick 9 in the first round and you guys with possibly four selections (dependent on Leuey's compo) inside the first 22 or so picks.

Brisbane may offer to send a player back in the Jansen deal but that scenario is even more doubtful given….

a) I can’t see who Geelong would want from Brisbane in such a scenario - the only names I can think of at a stretch would be Billy Evans or Zac O’Brien (but both are rookie listed AFAIK) or former AIS/Vic Country rep Jaden McGrath, I would have said Paine but I prefer not to be laughed out of town entirely.

b) Brisbane are set to have about 8 list changes themselves this season with their possible outs so are in a precarious position list-wise also.

c) Any late round pick Brisbane offer Geelong would likely net a better player Brisbane can offer in return for Jansen anyway, again, no disrespect - it's more the state of your list and who has abandoned the club

In this case, I would expect a three way deal to look something like the following (players named in brackets may be surplus to requirements of a deal being met for PD unless an AFC player goes the way of Geelong or Brisbane, OR Adelaide decide 2 x first rounders is satisfactory compensation for PD):

Adelaide

In: GFC 2015 1st rd (~9) + GFC 2016 1st rd (+ Jordan Murdoch?) + Jack Redden

Out: Patrick Dangerfield + 1st rd (~13) (+ Matthew Wright?)

Geelong

In: Patrick Dangerfield + BBFFC 4th rd (~60)

Out: 2015 1st rd (~9) + 2016 1st rd (+ Jordan Murdoch?) + Jarred Jansen

Brisbane

In: AFC 1st rd (~13) + Jarred Jansen (+ Matthew Wright?)

Out: Jack Redden + 4th rd (~60)


Obviously for Geelong, if Brisbane's 4th rd pick for Jansen isn't satisfactory there could be an upgrade of picks between rounds 3 and 4, but I doubt Brissy will want to part with any picks inside the first three rounds given points needed for Academy selections. That may change however with other deals taking place. For the purpose of this scenario, I've used your early 4th rounder as the means to get Jansen up there.

Any Geelong fans wanting to pipe in and suggest they are getting screwed in this deal, have a good hard look at the first player named in your “In” column and realise what it costs to get a player of that calibre in ANY trade scenario.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

How likely is Redden to want to leave Brisbane for Adelaide? If the writing is on the wall for Redden in Brisbane's eyes, perhaps there's a reason why they are interested in Jansen. Is Adelaide interested in both Redden and Aish. In Adelaide supporter's opinion, what percentage of Dangerfield's worth would Redden and Aish equate to? I think that if a trade happens, one or more clubs will form the basis of any such trade.

Geelong has a player that Brisbane want, Brisbane has one or potentially multiple players that Adelaide want and Adelaide obviously has to be satisfied enough with a trade to facilitate a clean passage for Danger to get to Geelong. It has the potential to work for all parties.

Just a quick estimate from Singapore Airport:

Adelaide
Out: Dangerfield, Pick #32(?)
In: Redden, Aish, Pick #9

Cats:
Out: Jansen, Pick #9, 2016 1st round pick
In: Dangerfield, pick #32

Brisbane:
Out: Redden, Aish
In: Jansen, Cats 2016 1st round pick

 

[1990crow]

Care to elaborate as to why?

Not really

 

[Lewy]

Or my original trade prediction - pick #9, Cats 2016 1st rounder, Murdoch for Dangerfield & our 3rd rounder.

If other players are going to be involved in a trade, then it makes sense for Adelaide not to match and also receive a compensation pick. Both clubs will be better off if the AFL hands out that pick. Any trade involving other players is unlikely to be knocked back by the AFL, as they can not prove that it has anything to do with Dangerfield. Geelong will still be willing to do a trade when Adelaide don't match.

 

[Crowbling]

No way the AFL should allow a compo pick and then a side deal.

Makes a mockery of the whole situation - and Geelong shouldn't have access to a free first round pick to trade with because the AFL (who shouldn't be sticking their noses in trades between two clubs) wants to try and keep their ridiculous FA system going.

It's also not fair for other clubs that Geelong and the Crows are doing dodgy deals at the expense of everyone else moving down the draft order.

If Geelong want him and his free agent offer is matched - then pay up like everyone else has to do in trades because he isn't a free agent the moment we match that offer.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

Just a quick estimate from Singapore Airport:

Adelaide
Out: Dangerfield, Pick #32(?)
In: Redden, Aish, Pick #9

Cats:
Out: Jansen, Pick #9, 2016 1st round pick
In: Dangerfield, pick #32

Brisbane:
Out: Redden, Aish
In: Jansen, Cats 2016 1st round pick

Not even going to read your proposal because I need to say - how fricken good is that airport, beers are exxxcy but what an airport, could stay there for days, especially before flying into Jakarta!

edit: don't mind your propasal but for gods sake get off here and have a walk around that showground!

 

[Lewy]

No way the AFL should allow a compo pick and then a side deal.

Makes a mockery of the whole situation - and Geelong shouldn't have access to a free first round pick to trade with because the AFL (who shouldn't be sticking their noses in trades between two clubs) wants to try and keep their ridiculous FA system going.

It's also not fair for other clubs that Geelong and the Crows are doing dodgy deals at the expense of everyone else moving down the draft order.

If Geelong want him and his free agent offer is matched - then pay up like everyone else has to do in trades because he isn't a free agent the moment we match that offer.

I don't agree. Geelong are trying to do the right thing by Adelaide and provide reasonable compensation to Adelaide. The same can not be said for all of the clubs that raided all of Brisbanes first round players and paid unders for them. Same happened to Geelong with Christensen, they did not get fair compensation in that trade. So dodgy deals are constantly being done & let through by the AFL. The system allows a compensation pick for Dangerfield. Other clubs should not be upset with this. The system also allows Adelaide & Geelong to negotiate other deals. As long as a player or players are involved in that deal, then what is fair is up to them.

 

[Bicks]

I don't agree. Geelong are trying to do the right thing by Adelaide and provide reasonable compensation to Adelaide. The same can not be said for all of the clubs that raided all of Brisbanes first round players and paid unders for them. Same happened to Geelong with Christensen, they did not get fair compensation in that trade. So dodgy deals are constantly being done & let through by the AFL. The system allows a compensation pick for Dangerfield. Other clubs should not be upset with this. The system also allows Adelaide & Geelong to negotiate other deals. As long as a player or players are involved in that deal, then what is fair is up to them.

You were never going to get fair compo for Christensen when all the clubs were aware of the extenuating "circumstances" involved and didn't you get a pick in the 20's, that's not that far away from his market value at the time IMO.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Not even going to read your proposal because I need to say - how fricken good is that airport, beers are exxxcy but what an airport, could stay there for days, especially before flying into Jakarta!

edit: don't mind your propasal but for gods sake get off here and have a walk around that showground!

My beer cost me appox $18, including tax in the cactus bar, so lets say I sipped it slowly for that price. Singapore Airport isn't cheap for alcohol!

In the last 24 hours, I have taken a train from Sorento -> Napoli -> Rome Central -> Rome Airport, flown Rome ->Frankfurt -> Singapore & now waiting on my Adelaide flight, so have had enough of walking for now

 

[Lewy]

You were never going to get fair compo for Christensen when all the clubs were aware of the extenuating "circumstances" involved and didn't you get a pick in the 20's, that's not that far away from his market value at the time IMO.

I agree regarding Christensen and there are reasons why all of the trades may be in favour of one club over the other. The point I am making is that the AFL does not get involved just because one club may be getting a better deal in all of these trades. If Adelaide & Geelong are happy to put together a deal that works for both clubs and the players included in the deal are happy, then why should the AFL get involved?

 

[latinoheat]

My beer cost me appox $18, including tax in the cactus bar, so lets say I sipped it slowly for that price. Singapore Airport isn't cheap for alcohol!

In the last 24 hours, I have taken a train from Sorento -> Napoli -> Rome Central -> Rome Airport, flown Rome ->Frankfurt -> Singapore & now waiting on my Adelaide flight, so have had enough of walking for now

Lucky you!! Sorrento

 

[latinoheat]

I agree regarding Christensen and there are reasons why all of the trades may be in favour of one club over the other. The point I am making is that the AFL does not get involved just because one club may be getting a better deal in all of these trades. If Adelaide & Geelong are happy to put together a deal that works for both clubs and the players included in the deal are happy, then why should the AFL get involved?

Yep got a feeling this is how it will play out.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Lucky you!! Sorrento

Yeah, spent 5 nights/days down there. Good base to travel Southern Italy.

Great weather, til left Thurs AM it was raining.

Have been lucky with warm weather with a late Summer.

 

[Smithtastic33]

My beer cost me appox $18, including tax in the cactus bar, so lets say I sipped it slowly for that price. Singapore Airport isn't cheap for alcohol!

In the last 24 hours, I have taken a train from Sorento -> Napoli -> Rome Central -> Rome Airport, flown Rome ->Frankfurt -> Singapore & now waiting on my Adelaide flight, so have had enough of walking for now

Why the heck are you buying a beer for?

When they are free on most International carriers and if they don't have a beer you enjoy, they have scotch or bourbon or a spirit to take the edge off. All free

$18 fricken dollars, no bloody way.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Why the heck are you buying a beer for?

When they are free on most International carriers and if they don't have a beer you enjoy, they have scotch or bourbon or a spirit to take the edge off. All free

$18 fricken dollars, no bloody way.

Because I have 7 hours between flights!

2nd drink was a glass of red - much better value!

 

[Smithtastic33]

Because I have 7 hours between flights!

2nd drink was a glass of red - much better value!

Thats sobering up time.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Just a quick estimate from Singapore Airport:

Adelaide
Out: Dangerfield, Pick #32(?)
In: Redden, Aish, Pick #9

Cats:
Out: Jansen, Pick #9, 2016 1st round pick
In: Dangerfield, pick #32

Brisbane:
Out: Redden, Aish
In: Jansen, Cats 2016 1st round pick

Adelaide's pick 32 should go to Brisbane rather than Geelong.

 

[NCHammertime]

I don't agree. Geelong are trying to do the right thing by Adelaide and provide reasonable compensation to Adelaide. The same can not be said for all of the clubs that raided all of Brisbanes first round players and paid unders for them. Same happened to Geelong with Christensen, they did not get fair compensation in that trade. So dodgy deals are constantly being done & let through by the AFL. The system allows a compensation pick for Dangerfield. Other clubs should not be upset with this. The system also allows Adelaide & Geelong to negotiate other deals. As long as a player or players are involved in that deal, then what is fair is up to them.

What do you mean Geelong are trying to 'do the right thing'? If we match, they have no choice or they don't get Dangerfield. Simple! They are looking after their own self interests in the same way Adelaide are. It's absolutely nothing to do with them 'doing the right thing'!!

 

[King Elvis]

I don't agree. Geelong are trying to do the right thing by Adelaide and provide reasonable compensation to Adelaide. The same can not be said for all of the clubs that raided all of Brisbanes first round players and paid unders for them. Same happened to Geelong with Christensen, they did not get fair compensation in that trade. So dodgy deals are constantly being done & let through by the AFL. The system allows a compensation pick for Dangerfield. Other clubs should not be upset with this. The system also allows Adelaide & Geelong to negotiate other deals. As long as a player or players are involved in that deal, then what is fair is up to them.

I appreciate the intent, but the AFL shouldn't be back dooring you an asset for the sole purpose of trading it. If we wanted to try and trade for Bennell, why can't the AFL give us another first rounder to use?

It's like fining someone, and then giving them the cash to pay the fine (or sending them to France to study); it's a joke.

 

[Stripple]

So hypothetically if one proposed the following:

Geelong sends its first round draft pick #9 + its second round draft pick this year #28* and its second round draft pick next year, its third round draft pick #46* plus Jarrad Jansen to Brisbane. Brisbane sends Aish and Redden, its second round draft pick #20* plus its fourth round draft pick #56 to Adelaide as well as on-trading pick #46 from Geelong. Adelaide sends Dangerfield, its second round draft pick #33*, its third round draft pick #51* and on-trades Brisbane's fourth rounder to Geelong.

*denotes picks before adjusted for Free Agency compensation

In summary:

Brisbane

IN: Pick #9, pick #28, 2016 second round draft pick (Geelong) and Jarrad Jansen.

OUT: Aish, Redden, pick #20, pick #56

Adelaide

IN: Aish, Redden, pick #20 and pick #46

OUT: Dangerfield, pick #33, pick #51

Geelong

IN: Dangerfield, pick #33, pick #51, pick #56

OUT: Pick #9, pick #28, pick #46, 2016 second round draft pick and Jarrad Jansen.

How would that deal sit?

It's better than some of the other suggestions that have been floated.

But I don't think redden is worth pick 9 assuming that is what we are forgoing to get him. And if he is worth pick 9 then danger is worth a lot more.


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