Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[AlwaysHawks15]

The debt and spending numbers contained in the IPA's report are able to be fact-checked as they are not a matter of opinion. So rather than go "teh IPA ?!??!" perhaps debunk the figures - if they are wrong, it should be simple.

Shouldn't the responsibility for clearing the PFAS have been clear in the initial agreements if they all knew it was there? Also, we should expect more of governments - it's not like a collection of people off the street with no alleged expertise in, you know, governing. Easily avoidable mistakes should be easily avoided.

The issue isn't the debt levels they have stated but trying to paint a picture of " nothing to show for it" is just political spin. If they truly cared about the economy and the state they would have listed some of the positive things the money that's been invested will achieve once completed but offset that with the unfortunate circumstances that have come with it. This is just them saying " Do things our way and you wouldn't have any of these problems" which is a load of garbage.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Kennett's strategy seemed to be austerity, cut funding (particularly if you were, say, in the arts and criticised his government), sack everyone, sell everything.

According to Sttew that was much better than how Andrews ran the state. I'd say because it may not of affected him personally so he couldn't care less how Kennett did things. The Conservative way of running things is always Austerity regardless of the situation and other alternatives. Outside of COVID if your biggest gripe with Andrews is he has racked up alot of debt than I reckon he could live with that. Much rather proactive government than a government that cuts services across the board than tells everybody to suck it we had no choice. Newman tried to do this in QLD and look how far it got him.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

This is a thread about Daniel Andrews not Covid. It pays to consider context instead of sniping

COVID and Andrews are related are they not? You seem to bring up COVID alot so which is it? Is he or is he not responsible?.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

You voted for him metaphorically at least, as your posts were always supporting him and slagging off the Feds (who admittedly deserved their share of blame too).

Glad you put that last bit in there. And you go on about the sycophants. The obsession with anything Dan on the other side is far worse.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Conservatives are happy to lock up refugees for decades, but can't handle a few months of soft lockdown during a pandemic.

You forget Selfish entitled conservatives.

 

[FIGJAM]

Glad you put that last bit in there. And you go on about the sycophants. The obsession with anything Dan on the other side is far worse.

Well, you see, the damage caused by Dan was immeasurably worse than anything the Federal government did or didn't do.

With the Feds; the AZ situation was terrible (albeit because the risk / reward was too low due to our comparatively low numbers to actually use it), supporting ****wit Clive Palmer against McGowan, failing to carry the $60 billion in the Job Keeper calcs etc. There are some obvious faceplants.

But this isn't the thread for that and any push to include the Feds' performance is is exactly what I said it was to Festerz in another post; deflection by Labor Party shills.

I voted for my then local member Richard Wynne in 2018 FWIW, so I technically voted Dan in for the then unknowable at the time pandemic. I thought they were doing a good job generally, although as a property professional, I thought some of Wynne's measures as Planning Minister were a bit too restrictive. That said, I thought Guy and Madden's planning policies were all about lining the coffers (and possibly their own!), so Wynne's policies against that process was commendable, albeit (IMHO) a swing too far away from ensuring that houses and apartments got supplied (and we're suffering as a result a bit now, although it's also to a large degree a worldwide problem like inflation).

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Dan Andrews is the T-1000 of Bruce Lehrmanns

 

[Xtreme]

Dan Andrews is the T-1000 of Bruce Lehrmanns

He still has more lives than a cat

 

[Not Important]

He still has more lives than a cat

if it wasn’t for the diarrhea factory, he’d have faded into virtual obscurity by now. interesting how they take no interest in former lib pollies like stuart robert, who resigned in disgrace.

 

[MarcMaverick]

if it wasn’t for the diarrhea factory, he’d have faded into virtual obscurity by now. interesting how they take no interest in former lib pollies like stuart robert, who resigned in disgrace.

Was Stuart Robert in power between 2014-22? No he was not.

 

[Sttew]

if it wasn’t for the diarrhea factory, he’d have faded into virtual obscurity by now. interesting how they take no interest in former lib pollies like stuart robert, who resigned in disgrace.

There’s still threads on Morrison and Howard

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Well, you see, the damage caused by Dan was immeasurably worse than anything the Federal government did or didn't do.

With the Feds; the AZ situation was terrible (albeit because the risk / reward was too low due to our comparatively low numbers to actually use it), supporting ****wit Clive Palmer against McGowan, failing to carry the $60 billion in the Job Keeper calcs etc. There are some obvious faceplants.

But this isn't the thread for that and any push to include the Feds' performance is is exactly what I said it was to Festerz in another post; deflection by Labor Party shills.

I voted for my then local member Richard Wynne in 2018 FWIW, so I technically voted Dan in for the then unknowable at the time pandemic. I thought they were doing a good job generally, although as a property professional, I thought some of Wynne's measures as Planning Minister were a bit too restrictive. That said, I thought Guy and Madden's planning policies were all about lining the coffers (and possibly their own!), so Wynne's policies against that process was commendable, albeit (IMHO) a swing too far away from ensuring that houses and apartments got supplied (and we're suffering as a result a bit now, although it's also to a large degree a worldwide problem like inflation).

I'm still not sure what you're on about. Last time i checked Andrews won a hat-trick of elections - a rare feat anywhere this day and age. Most of them by a landslide. Yet youre on here doing an "i told you so" routine'? you need to get over it ( and yourself while youre at it)

He still has more lives than a cat

only in the eyes of those who wish they could even lay a glove on him.

 

[Xtreme]

only in the eyes of those who wish they could even lay a glove on him.

Sure lets give a statue to the man who's bone headed decision killed 800 Victorians and would go on to bankrupt the state. While also shooting Australia's sporting reputation in the foot.

Great job Dan

 

[Not Important]

There’s still threads on Morrison and Howard

nothing like the persistent personal invective directed not only toward andrews but his family, too. nor the misinformation. i mean, one of the diarrhea factory operatives claimed he was denied membership at a golf club. it was front page. that churnalist didn’t bother to call the golf club to check the accuracy. doing that would have killed the story cos there wasn’t an atom of truth in it.

and i don’t think either has required added personal security due to the heat generated by the media - most notably from the diarrhea factory.

 

[eddiesmith]

There’s still threads on Morrison and Howard

These idiots who want everyone to forget their hero still blame Jeff Kennett for everything wrong in the state…

 

[kalex6251]

nothing like the persistent personal invective directed not only toward andrews but his family, too. nor the misinformation. i mean, one of the diarrhea factory operatives claimed he was denied membership at a golf club. it was front page. that churnalist didn’t bother to call the golf club to check the accuracy. doing that would have killed the story cos there wasn’t an atom of truth in it.

and i don’t think either has required added personal security due to the heat generated by the media - most notably from the diarrhea factory.

he will live rent free in the heads of conservatives, the murdocracy, unhinged Qookers and other fellow travellers down that shared road of stupidity for the rest of days ..... that is his greatest legacy ..... well played

 

[Not Important]

These idiots who want everyone to forget their hero still blame Jeff Kennett for everything wrong in the state…

the overrated big mouth continues to make himself a target. other pollies just want to leave the stage but continue to be hounded.

 

[Gavin Excell]

He thumbed his nose at Murdoch who were incensed

All the.reporting since is payback

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

He thumbed his nose at Murdoch who were incensed

All the.reporting since is payback

It's a shame no other leader followed his lead.

He's shown the way on destroying the Murdoch press

 

[FIGJAM]

I'm still not sure what you're on about. Last time i checked Andrews won a hat-trick of elections - a rare feat anywhere this day and age. Most of them by a landslide. Yet youre on here doing an "i told you so" routine'? you need to get over it ( and yourself while youre at it)

Like I said, I voted for the Andrews government on ball two of his “hat trick”. His run of wins doesn't make him exempt from scrutiny.

I’d liken Andrews’ stint to Ed’s stint as President with the Pies. The first half was a breath of fresh air after general ineptitude. But the second half was ****ing toxic, as we descended into an autocratic mess of faceplant after faceplant.

It needed to be called out at the time and it needs to be readdressed as time goes by to ensure that we (both Victoria and Collingwood FC) don't make the same mistakes again.

 

[kalex6251]

Like I said, I voted for the Andrews government on ball two of his “hat trick”. His run of wins doesn't make him exempt from scrutiny.

I’d liken Andrews’ stint to Ed’s stint as President with the Pies. The first half was a breath of fresh air after general ineptitude. But the second half was ****ing toxic, as we descended into an autocratic mess of faceplant after faceplant.

It needed to be called out at the time and it needs to be readdressed as time goes by to ensure that we (both Victoria and Collingwood FC) don't make the same mistakes again.

thats fine ...... but the attention on andrews from the 'chairman dan' campaigns jointly pushed by abject political failures like louise staley and tim smith along with partisan conservative cheerleaders across all major news outlets has gone well beyond scrutiny ...... well beyond

when one of the major dailys in this state publishes a series of front page stories 'interviewing' the stairs where he fell then we have gone well past the perfectly acceptable democratic pursuit of holding power to account - it is shameful unhinged nonsense that treats the democratic process with contempt ..... and thats where a lot of the so-called 'anti-dan' movement now sits (even on this website)

 

[Saint]

The lack of independent media and oppositions with actual policies in modern politics is the reason Governments are acting with such hubris. There's no consequences for anything any more. Because we all know the media and opposition are also untrustworthy and have no investment in truth or the future.

 

[FIGJAM]

thats fine ...... but the attention on andrews from the 'chairman dan' campaigns jointly pushed by abject political failures like louise staley and tim smith along with partisan conservative cheerleaders across all major news outlets has gone well beyond scrutiny ...... well beyond

As a centrist myself, we can both agree that the extreme-ish right's "Chairman Dan" arguments aren't helpful to either side and if anything (IMV), fortifies the left to a degree and is negative in its sentiment.

when one of the major dailys in this state publishes a series of front page stories 'interviewing' the stairs where he fell then we have gone well past the perfectly acceptable democratic pursuit of holding power to account - it is shameful unhinged nonsense that treats the democratic process with contempt ..... and thats where a lot of the so-called 'anti-dan' movement now sits (even on this website)

Fully agreed on this front. The Murdoch press is mostly shit (and am not just saying this because of the bad tips on yesterday's races from the HUN). Rachael Baxendale was mostly combinative and I don't like her, but you need to be able digest an alternate point of view and line of questioning....always!). Otherwise you might just might as well read the Pravda and demand a local version thereof.

 

[Festerz]

Not sure if Jimbo has thought this one through. Espec. the potential impact him outing himself as a cooker fan might play out for his Victorian franchise owners.

Or maybe the cookers are precisely the ones who would use Jims Mowing for legal advice so it's a good business move? Will leave it to the cooker posters in this thread to let us know.

 

[Gralin]

Not sure if Jimbo has thought this one through. Espec. the potential impact him outing himself as a cooker fan might play out for his Victorian franchise owners.

That shouldn't be news to anyone