Daniel Bradshaw

[demondavey]

He didn't just have big guns, he was a serious big gun on the field.

231 games, 534 goals, 2x premiership player, 3x leading goal kicker (05,06,08), never AA (probably should've been but stiff competition), and could also play competently as a defender.

Where does Bradshaw rank amongst the best forwards between 2000-2009? There is a lot of discussion about Jonathan Brown for instance, who kicked 594 goals in 256 games. I personally rank Bradshaw alongside Brown, and I rate him above a lot of other goal kickers above him due to the fact he played defence a fair bit and had to compete with other key forwards in Brown and Lynch for a large part of his career.

I think big guns Bradshaw is one of the most underrated players in what was a really strong era for big goal kickers.

 

[Milanista28]

Same as Scotty Lucas, Forever underrated.

 

[ManOfClay]

Same as Scotty Lucas, Forever underrated.

One day we hope he becomes an internet meme

 

[Sweet Jesus]

231 games, 534 goals, 2x premiership player, 3x leading goal kicker (05,06,08), never AA (probably should've been but stiff competition), and could also play competently as a defender.

Why should he have been AA?

There is a lot of discussion about Jonathan Brown for instance, who kicked 594 goals in 256 games. I personally rank Bradshaw alongside Brown

That's a bit silly.

 

[iBeng]

Was a gun for us at his best, and tormented plenty of defensive lines alongside Brown. Doesnt get the same accolades sadly, and how the Lions treated him during the Fevola period still stinks. Although to be fair he did end up with one year left in his tank, and we didnt want to risk 2-3 with his knee.

 

[Deep]

In the crop below the likes of Hall, Neitz, Fev, N Riewoldt, Pavlich, Franklin, etc

Level with Lucas, Gehrig, Brown, Tredrea, O'Loughlin plus Lloyd and Richo since this is a 2000-2009 thread.

 

[demondavey]

Why should he have been AA?

That's a bit silly.

Well I think his best season might have been worthy, and yes, imo he was as good as Brown re output as a forward.

 

[#gosaintas]

He was ok

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Well I think his best season might have been worthy

Which season?

imo he was as good as Brown re output as a forward.

Fewer goals per game despite spending most of his career closer to goals?

He was nowhere near Brown.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

In the crop below the likes of Hall, Neitz, Fev, N Riewoldt, Pavlich, Franklin, etc

Level with Lucas, Gehrig, Brown, Tredrea, O'Loughlin plus Lloyd and Richo since this is a 2000-2009 thread.

Wait, what?

Bradshaw was on the same tier as Brown, Tredrea and Lloyd? And these guys were on the same tier as O'Loughlin but on the tier below Neitz?

Seriously?

That's a strange pecking order you've got there.

 

[Power Raid]

Such a great player but lost amongst so many of the lion’s greats

 

[demondavey]

Which season?

Fewer goals per game despite spending most of his career closer to goals?

He was nowhere near Brown.

Ok so as a third forward competing with Brown and Lynch, his statistics were almost identical to that of Brown. If he was playing FF then he is competing directly with Lynch, so kicking 500+ next to Lynchs 600+ isn't too bad at all.

AA 2008 perhaps?

 

[jackess]

Ok so as a third forward competing with Brown and Lynch, his statistics were almost identical to that of Brown. If he was playing FF then he is competing directly with Lynch, so kicking 500+ next to Lynchs 600+ isn't too bad at all.

AA 2008 perhaps?

Playing on the third best key back?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Ok so as a third forward competing with Brown and Lynch, his statistics were almost identical to that of Brown.

If you erroneously frame teammates as "competing" with each other. More accurately, as the third forward, he got the third defender. And Lynch retired at the end of 2004, at which point Bradshaw became the second forward, playing out of the goal square while Brown played CHF.

If he was playing FF then he is competing directly with Lynch, so kicking 500+ next to Lynchs 600+ isn't too bad at all.

See above. Lynch retired at the end of 2004.

AA 2008 perhaps?

They picked five tall forwards that year so clearly he didn't have that great a season.

 

[The Swert]

At the start of the year, I rated the best key forwards as such.

Legends - G Coventry, J Coleman, P Hudson, T Lockett, J Dunstall, G Ablett, W Carey, L Franklin
Greats - D Lee, H Vallence, B Mohr, D Wade, J Titus, B Pratt, M Lloyd, M Richardson, P McKenna, S Rocca, S Kernahan, M Pavlich, N Riewoldt
Very Good - F Fanning, J Moriarty, P Sumich, W Tredrea, B Hall, B Fevola, B Quinlan, A Lynch, D Neitz, J Brown, M Roach, T Modra, S Beasley, K Templeton, B Taylor, M Moncrieff

Bradshaw would fit into the next tier down. This tier would include the likes of Gehrig, Loewe, O'Loughlin, Brereton, J Roughead, Longmire, Grant, Lucas, Salmon, Brownless etc

 

[demondavey]

If you erroneously frame teammates as "competing" with each other. More accurately, as the third forward, he got the third defender. And Lynch retired at the end of 2004, at which point Bradshaw became the second forward, playing out of the goal square while Brown played CHF.

See above. Lynch retired at the end of 2004.

They picked five tall forwards that year so clearly he didn't have that great a season.

He kicked 75 goals that season. Ok we get it, you don't rate him, thanks for your input.

 

[demondavey]

At the start of the year, I rated the best key forwards as such.

Legends - G Coventry, J Coleman, P Hudson, T Lockett, J Dunstall, G Ablett, W Carey, L Franklin
Greats - D Lee, H Vallence, B Mohr, D Wade, J Titus, B Pratt, M Lloyd, M Richardson, P McKenna, S Rocca, S Kernahan, M Pavlich, N Riewoldt
Very Good - F Fanning, J Moriarty, P Sumich, W Tredrea, B Hall, B Fevola, B Quinlan, A Lynch, D Neitz, J Brown, M Roach, T Modra, S Beasley, K Templeton, B Taylor, M Moncrieff

Bradshaw would fit into the next tier down. This tier would include the likes of Gehrig, Loewe, O'Loughlin, Brereton, J Roughead, Longmire, Grant, Lucas, Salmon, Brownless etc

Loewe and Roughead the next tier down? No way.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

He kicked 75 goals that season.

Yeah. Putting him well behind Fevola and Franklin as the best stay-at-home forwards in 2008. They kicked 102 and 99 respectively in the H&A season. So how much of a reacharound do you want to give Bradshaw for kicking 75?

And they also picked Riewoldt, Pavlich and Richardson in the AA side. So it's not like Bradshaw was stiff because he was third-best but they only picked two. Clearly he wasn't that close.

 

[demondavey]

Yeah. Putting him well behind Fevola and Franklin as the best stay-at-home forwards in 2008. They kicked 102 and 99 respectively in the H&A season. So how much of a reacharound do you want to give Bradshaw for kicking 75?

And they also picked Riewoldt, Pavlich and Richardson in the AA side. So it's not like Bradshaw was stiff because he was third-best but they only picked two. Clearly he wasn't that close.

Ok so you know everything? Or you don't like Bradshaw? I'd have still found a place for him in 08.

Thanks for your input.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Ok so you know everything?

It's not necessary to know everything to point out that Bradshaw clearly wasn't that stiff not to be AA in a season when Fevola and Franklin kicked a shitload more goals as stay-at-home forwards.

I'd have still found a place for him in 08.

Ignoring the facts that don't suit you.

Yeah maybe you'd have snuck him in as the sixth tall forward in the 22.

 

[The Swert]

Loewe and Roughead the next tier down? No way.

Blame it on them often playing second fiddle to bigger names.

Not enough goals to be higher.

 

[King Brown]

The Lions equivalent of Gunston.

 

[PowerForGood]

I always liked Bradshaw, for some reason I always recall him kicking goals against us esp in a thrashing we got at Footy Park mid 2000's.

Think he also kicked one off the ground in the last seconds to draw a game against Port at the Gabba. Probably false memory.

 

[Deep]

At the start of the year, I rated the best key forwards as such.

Legends - G Coventry, J Coleman, P Hudson, T Lockett, J Dunstall, G Ablett, W Carey, L Franklin
Greats - D Lee, H Vallence, B Mohr, D Wade, J Titus, B Pratt, M Lloyd, M Richardson, P McKenna, S Rocca, S Kernahan, M Pavlich, N Riewoldt
Very Good - F Fanning, J Moriarty, P Sumich, W Tredrea, B Hall, B Fevola, B Quinlan, A Lynch, D Neitz, J Brown, M Roach, T Modra, S Beasley, K Templeton, B Taylor, M Moncrieff

Bradshaw would fit into the next tier down. This tier would include the likes of Gehrig, Loewe, O'Loughlin, Brereton, J Roughead, Longmire, Grant, Lucas, Salmon, Brownless etc

Good way of putting it. One question though since Fev was an absolute freak he probably would've retired last year had he not been a flog off field. Would he have ended up in your tier 2?

 

[maddog37]

Had pretty decent service from his midfield.