Daniel Currie

[DavyRed]

I'll no doubt get shot down for this but I couldn't give a toss how Currie, or any other ex-Swan, goes once they leave the club and start playing for another AFL team. As soon as they leave to go to another team they're pretty much dead to me. Perhaps that's over stating it a bit but you get the drift.

I think the only ex-Swan I ever really took an interest in was Wade Chapman when he went to Port - for those of you who don't know him, he was one of the bravest, hardest (okay maybe dumbest, most suicidal) players ever to step on to a footy field, whose game time was limited due to injuries largely resulting from the reckless way he attacked the footy.

 

[vonn]

It's not just another AFL Team.

It's Norf.


*vomit*

 

[Sanecow]

I'll no doubt get shot down for this but I couldn't give a toss how Currie, or any other ex-Swan, goes once they leave the club and start playing for another AFL team.

Nah, makes sense. I would boo Currie for laughs, don't get me wrong.

 

[MF]

Are there any teams that can allow a guy to have 7 years on the list before being good enough to play AFL football? I don't think so.

Other than the very rare young standout who is ready to play right away (a Zac Smith or a Nic Natanui) I see no reason to ever draft an 18-20 year old ruckman. It just doesn't make sense for clubs to gamble on such a long development period when you can have a much more reliable return on your outlay if you target 22+ year olds through trades or the draft that have got the experience at VFL/WAFL/SANFL level.

I've been saying this for a while now. And the fact that other clubs are still happy to put 6-7 years into developing young rucks means there's always going to be ready made players to poach from other teams. Especially when rucks play such a distinctive role and you can only play so many of them at once.

Developing your own young rucks is a waste of time and list space.

 

[Ed_Gein]

I agree. Unless you're putting games into them early. The thing that works against ruckman is there isn't generally more than 2 in your match day squad, so there is a bit more of a reliance on them to perform well when they play.

 

[CAS79]

Developing your own young rucks is a waste of time and list space.

And when all 18 clubs think like this than what do we do. Or they notice it's our stratergy they put a trading block on us to stop us getting rucks.

It needs to be a two tiered approach and I think having a young ruck under development is crucial. Given where we were list wise at the time and there were some serious flaws in Currie's game letting him go was a good call but we should be scared of producing our own, just we seem to look upon young blokes a long way back as project players and wonder why a lot fail.

lol malfan, we agree on a lot but over this years we have disagreed on this a few times I think.

FWIW I saw Currie first hand in the North - Hawks practice game yesterday, I did not have far to go to see it.

His game was not so good as other weeks and was still unsure of himself if the ball went over his head and 2nd efforts were required. Goldstein was the better of the 2 and North struggled up forward and Currie's spells up there he didn't get a look in. Still a big chance he wont play round 1.

 

[MF]

And when all 18 clubs think like this than what do we do. Or they notice it's our stratergy they put a trading block on us to stop us getting rucks.

We'll cross that road when we come to it I guess. A lot of clubs still seem happy to waste 2 or 3 spots on their list.

It needs to be a two tiered approach and I think having a young ruck under development is crucial. Given where we were list wise at the time and there were some serious flaws in Currie's game letting him go was a good call but we should be scared of producing our own, just we seem to look upon young blokes a long way back as project players and wonder why a lot fail.

lol malfan, we agree on a lot but over this years we have disagreed on this a few times I think.

Yeah, I think we have this discussion every year from memory. Maybe next year you'll change my mind I'd have no problem with our club developing young Naitanui, Kreuzer and Leuenberger type ruck who's shown enough at age 17-18 to suggest they'll be very good, but I don't see the value in drafting a ruckman with a speculative pick in the 30+ range when it will take at least 5 or 6 years before they're even ready for a senior game. In that time you could have used that spot on the list to turn over 3 midfielders and increased your chances of finding a gem.

It's just still so much easier to find a ruckman from another club who's already had 5 or more years of development in the system, shown some promise, but is starved of opportunities due to the nature of the role. Just look at the successful rucks who've shifted clubs recently and how little their new clubs have paid for them... Jacobs & Maric are prime examples.

Not to mention the high availability of backup/depth players in the ruck position with players like Seaby or Hudson easy to come by, or state players like Stephenson who can come in and do a better job than a 22 year old developing ruck.

FWIW I saw Currie first hand in the North - Hawks practice game yesterday, I did not have far to go to see it.

His game was not so good as other weeks and was still unsure of himself if the ball went over his head and 2nd efforts were required. Goldstein was the better of the 2 and North struggled up forward and Currie's spells up there he didn't get a look in. Still a big chance he wont play round 1.

I just see this as even more reason not to waste time developing your own rucks (so long as other teams are happy to do it). In the time we spent developing Currie on our list we could have unearthed another Luke Parker or 2. And all the while we still managed to snatch Jolly, Seaby and Mumford cheaply enough from other clubs and even turned a Canadian rugby player into a handy ruckman.

Even if Currie had turned out to be a decent player in the end, for all we know he could have walked away after another year or 2 for practically nothing because he's behind Mumford and Pyke in the pecking order.

I'd just rather be the club poaching disgruntled ruckmen, rather than the one wasting time developing them.

 

[mark73]

It's not just another AFL Team.

It's Norf.


*vomit*

You mean the club your premiership coach (who is also a North premiership player) and one of his assistants made their name at......(who is also a North premiership player)?

On another note; Sydney are a bit like North, according to the experts. We can't make the 8, in fact barely rate a mention, and you guys are going to drop away to 6th or 7th, despite winning the flag. You had no injuries last year according to AFL 360, despite Rohan having a compound fracture that finished his season, and we don't have enough hardness through the centre, despite that factor being one of the reasons we had a good run home.

I re-iterate what the former North supporter said. I was extremely happy when Sydney won the flag.

 

[grimlock]

On another note; Sydney are a bit like North, according to the experts. We can't make the 8, in fact barely rate a mention, and you guys are going to drop away to 6th or 7th, despite winning the flag. You had no injuries last year according to AFL 360, despite Rohan having a compound fracture that finished his season, and we don't have enough hardness through the centre, despite that factor being one of the reasons we had a good run home.

You mean according to a certain ex-Kangaroo

 

[mark73]

You mean according to a certain ex-Kangaroo

I liken him these days to an ex-failed-Richmond assistant. He was very vocal about North's move up North in 2007 and ever since then, as has been proven, he's not all that welcome amongst North supporters, childish or not.

 

[SOPH_CROSS]

CURRIE

 

[grimlock]

I liken him these days to an ex-failed-Richmond assistant. He was very vocal about North's move up North in 2007 and ever since then, as has been proven, he's not all that welcome amongst North supporters, childish or not.

Bit harsh, the guy was an integral part of 2 premiership sides. It would be akin to me referring to Paul Williams as a failed Carlton assistant or Leo Barry as that Citibank stock market dude.

 

[grimlock]

CURRIE

Anyway back on topic, doesn't look like he'll make his AFL debut in Round 1.

 

[SOPH_CROSS]

Anyway back on topic, doesn't look like he'll make his AFL debut in Round 1.

I actually want to go to his debut
Just to use my bloody banner i made him all those years ago

 

[mark73]

Bit harsh, the guy was an integral part of 2 premiership sides. It would be akin to me referring to Paul Williams as a failed Carlton assistant or Leo Barry as that Citibank stock market dude.

It's not harsh when you live in Melbourne and put up with the continual snipes about relocation, a lof of which he agreed with, even given there wasn't even a stadium deal in place.

 

[mark73]

I actually want to go to his debut
Just to use my bloody banner i made him all those years ago

Just what was the slight on Currie because there's certainly no issue with his ruck work? The only thing I can think of is he needs to learn to tap the ball to his own teams advantage, not just win the tap. But that's about it. He's not going to get the gig over Goldstein due to the last scratch match, but it would be interesting to get Sydney's fan's opinion about Currie.

 

[swansfan51]

Just what was the slight on Currie because there's certainly no issue with his ruck work? The only thing I can think of is he needs to learn to tap the ball to his own teams advantage, not just win the tap. But that's about it. He's not going to get the gig over Goldstein due to the last scratch match, but it would be interesting to get Sydney's fan's opinion about Currie.

Was constantly injured, a long way back in the pecking order (behind Jesse White), wasn't regularly dominating at reserves level. Seemed like a real team player and was well respected but just wasn't doing enough. Absolutely no ill feeling from me towards him, unlike Campbell Heath

 

[mark121]

He has also put on a considerable amount of size after leaving Sydney something he has in common with Rowe at Carlton.

 

[MF]

Was constantly injured, a long way back in the pecking order (behind Jesse White), wasn't regularly dominating at reserves level. Seemed like a real team player and was well respected but just wasn't doing enough. Absolutely no ill feeling from me towards him, unlike Campbell Heath

Just out of curiosity, what's the issue with Heath?

 

[baja]

I'll no doubt get shot down for this but I couldn't give a toss how Currie, or any other ex-Swan, goes once they leave the club and start playing for another AFL team. As soon as they leave to go to another team they're pretty much dead to me. Perhaps that's over stating it a bit but you get the drift.

I think the only ex-Swan I ever really took an interest in was Wade Chapman when he went to Port - for those of you who don't know him, he was one of the bravest, hardest (okay maybe dumbest, most suicidal) players ever to step on to a footy field, whose game time was limited due to injuries largely resulting from the reckless way he attacked the footy.

Its not so much giving a toss as you put it, more just interested in how all our hard work turned out and fwiw, Chapman was a spud his career wasn't limited only due to injuries.

 

[.Shotties.]

Just out of curiosity, what's the issue with Heath?

I think it causes SF51 some chagrin that the club took a punt on Heath as an underager, held on to him through three knee reconstructions, and then he bailed after the first year when he was fit for a decent stretch.

 

[disgruntled goat]

I think it causes SF51 some chagrin that the club took a punt on Heath as an underager, held on to him through three knee reconstructions, and then he bailed after the first year when he was fit for a decent stretch.

And the two surnames thing ... probly.

 

[MF]

Its not so much giving a toss as you put it, more just interested in how all our hard work turned out and fwiw, Chapman was a spud his career wasn't limited only due to injuries.

Pretty harsh.

At least he managed to immortalize himself by delivering the footy to Plugger for the famous after the siren point in '96. You'll never take that away from him.

 

[swansfan51]

What Shotties said. I can't bag him for having 2 surnames or I'd have to bag LRT and that would upset me

 

[grimlock]

LRT has 3 last names.