Player Watch Daniel McStay

[mwhop]

I don't think McLipinski or McDe Goey work terribly well.

Traditionally in the highlands they are pronounced mcpinski and mcgoey, despite the spelling

 

[JuniorB]

Traditionally in the highlands they are pronounced mcpinski and mcgoey, despite the spelling

De Goey is a Dutch name & the correct pronunciation apparently sounds like clearing your throat before spitting it out.
I think the De part serves much the same purpose as Mc, more or less meaning "son of".

 

[Pie eyed]

De Goey is a Dutch name & the correct pronunciation apparently sounds like clearing your throat before spitting it out.
I think the De part serves much the same purpose as Mc, more or less meaning "son of".

De = Son of
Goey = Alf Fetamine

 

[HappyRed]

Welcome Daniel. Not the player I wanted, but hopefully the player we require.
Feels like we got ourselves another mihocek tbh Good be a good thing

 

[jonbe54]

Welcome Daniel. Not the player I wanted, but hopefully the player we require.
Feels like we got ourselves another mihocek tbh Good be a good thing

A balanced reply HR we simply aren't in the financial position to look at young A raters this year.

 

[HappyRed]

A balanced reply HR we simply aren't in the financial position to look at young A raters this year.

I get it. I just dream of a Travis Cloke like body in our forward line.

 

[jonbe54]

I get it. I just dream of a Travis Cloke like body in our forward line.

Yeah happy days - I saw Macca play often enough - takes pressure off the mids and the backs.

 

[Ingy]

23 possessions, 10 hitouts, 6 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in the elimination final against Richmond is an impressive recent performance that suggests he is just hitting his prime. Lions have given him 150 games to develop and now we get the finished product.

He kicked at least two goals in 9 games this season.

He and Kreuger as our keys with Mihocek as a third tall and then Johnson as a mobile fourth is going to create matchup headaches for oppo teams

 

[jmac70]

23 possessions, 10 hitouts, 6 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in the elimination final against Richmond is an impressive recent performance that suggests he is just hitting his prime. Lions have given him 150 games to develop and now we get the finished product.

He kicked at least two goals in 9 games this season.

He and Kreuger as our keys with Mihocek as a third tall and then Johnson as a mobile fourth is going to create matchup headaches for oppo teams

Does that force Cameron or Cox out?

 

[Quicky]

23 possessions, 10 hitouts, 6 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in the elimination final against Richmond is an impressive recent performance that suggests he is just hitting his prime. Lions have given him 150 games to develop and now we get the finished product.

He kicked at least two goals in 9 games this season.

He and Kreuger as our keys with Mihocek as a third tall and then Johnson as a mobile fourth is going to create matchup headaches for oppo teams

I think that game shows McStay can stand up in big games, he'll compete well as a ball winning 2nd ruck (poor in hitouts though) and works as a break glass 3rd string ruck.

I don't think it says much about what he offers as a forward though because that's not the role he was playing.

I'm hoping he can provide structure, compete in the air, and stay on the park. I hope our quick play offers him more offensive opportunities and he can hit or improve on his best goal scoring form, but I'm honestly skeptical about that.

 

[jmac70]

I think that game shows McStay can stand up in big games, he'll compete well as a ball winning 2nd ruck (poor in hitouts though) and works as a break glass 3rd string ruck.

I don't think it says much about what he offers as a forward though because that's not the role he was playing.

I'm hoping he can provide structure, compete in the air, and stay on the park. I hope our quick play offers him more offensive opportunities and he can hit or improve on his best goal scoring form, but I'm honestly skeptical about that.

I get what you are saying Q, but gee I’m sick of the structure debate.

Wouldn’t it be great to have a forward who just kicks goals?

 

[Quicky]

I get what you are saying Q, but gee I’m sick of the structure debate.

Wouldn’t it be great to have a forward who just kicks goals?

Definitely. I think McStay helps but he's no star. He was the best we could manage to bring in this season. I'm looking forward to see what we do with Grundy's salary.

 

[Jelly Bean]

23 possessions, 10 hitouts, 6 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in the elimination final against Richmond is an impressive recent performance that suggests he is just hitting his prime. Lions have given him 150 games to develop and now we get the finished product.

He kicked at least two goals in 9 games this season.

He and Kreuger as our keys with Mihocek as a third tall and then Johnson as a mobile fourth is going to create matchup headaches for oppo teams

Elliott in there somewhere? I'm not sure there is enough arial ball coming into our forward line to keep 5 marking-first players fed.

 

[Pie eyed]

I get it. I just dream of a Travis Cloke like body in our forward line.

Poor old Travis was maligned from day one, but what would you give for a contested marking beast like him next year.

Or dare I say another Anthony Rocca!

 

[Ingy]

Elliott in there somewhere? I'm not sure there is enough arial ball coming into our forward line to keep 5 marking-first players fed.

Agreed. If Johnson is in the AFL team then I think Elliott's role changes. Higher up the field, getting more possessions and drifting inside 50 to kick goals. Also playing as a mid, which we know he can do.

I feel like we have about nine forwards - Mihocek, McStay, Kreuger, Johnson, Elliott, Ginnivan, McCreery, Hill, Cameron/Cox (whichever isn't playing 1st ruck) and we can assemble seven of them to take advantage of the weaknesses we perceive our opposition to have. They each have different strings to their bows. It's not a bad position to be in with what is supposedly our weakest line

 

[Fat Jesus]

Agreed. If Johnson is in the AFL team then I think Elliott's role changes. Higher up the field, getting more possessions and drifting inside 50 to kick goals. Also playing as a mid, which we know he can do.

I feel like we have about nine forwards - Mihocek, McStay, Kreuger, Johnson, Elliott, Ginnivan, McCreery, Hill, Cameron/Cox (whichever isn't playing 1st ruck) and we can assemble seven of them to take advantage of the weaknesses we perceive our opposition to have. They each have different strings to their bows. It's not a bad position to be in with what is supposedly our weakest line

McStay should get the opposition's best defender. Leaving our other forwards to more opportunity.
Master-stroke from our Coaches.
McStay will also kick goals as a CHF and a main focal point..

Ginnivan, Hill , Elliott , Johnson, Mihocek will feast.

Our only missing puzzle was Tom Mitchell. Quality inside mid.

 

[Jelly Bean]

McStay should get the opposition's best defender. Leaving our other forwards to more opportunity.
Master-stroke from our Coaches.
McStay will also kick goals as a CHF and a main focal point..

Ginnivan, Hill , Elliott , Johnson, Mihocek will feast.

Our only missing puzzle was Tom Mitchell. Quality inside mid.

I think we had a few missing pieces, and we brought in players to address each one.

Big defender (given Roughead gone, Kelly no good, Dean injuries last year and untested, Murphy admirable but not a long term full back). We brough in Frampton (200cm, 100kg, mobile). Need addressed, even if only as a backup if Dean comes through.

Big competitive strong forward (given Kreuger went down and Mihocek looked tired / beaten up). We bring in McStay (197cm, 100 kgs, mobile, competitor). I don't rate him all that highly in relation to his contract value, but this team needed another target to swarm around.

Inside mid (given Adams down, Pendles aging, De Goey all over the shop, and nothing yet coming through from McInness, Macrae, others). Mitchell comes in and we milk the last miles from his legs. Means we could possibly release Crisp to an outside running role.

 

[Jelly Bean]

Agreed. If Johnson is in the AFL team then I think Elliott's role changes. Higher up the field, getting more possessions and drifting inside 50 to kick goals. Also playing as a mid, which we know he can do.

I feel like we have about nine forwards - Mihocek, McStay, Kreuger, Johnson, Elliott, Ginnivan, McCreery, Hill, Cameron/Cox (whichever isn't playing 1st ruck) and we can assemble seven of them to take advantage of the weaknesses we perceive our opposition to have. They each have different strings to their bows. It's not a bad position to be in with what is supposedly our weakest line

I think Elliott would be a good player as that second change mid, but he is an excellent player as a bullet leading forward from the goalsquare, and I think that is where he spends most of his time.

 

[Ingy]

I think Elliott would be a good player as that second change mid, but he is an excellent player as a bullet leading forward from the goalsquare, and I think that is where he spends most of his time.

So what does your setup in the forward line look like? Are a fit Mihocek, McStay or Kreuger missing out?

 

[Jelly Bean]

So what does your setup in the forward line look like? Are a fit Mihocek, McStay or Kreuger missing out?

HF: Sidebottom, Krueger, Mihocek
F: Elliott, McStay, Ginnivan
Hill on interchange, we play one ruck (Cox ahead), and McCreery goes to the VFL to develop as a midfielder

McStay the deep target, Kreuger and Mihocek the workhorses up the ground. Elliott the quick leading deep forward. Ginni first crack at small forward role, but Hill, McCreery both probably snapping at his heels.

 

[Ingy]

HF: Sidebottom, Krueger, Mihocek
F: Elliott, McStay, Ginnivan
Hill on interchange, we play one ruck (Cox ahead), and McCreery goes to the VFL to develop as a midfielder

McStay the deep target, Kreuger and Mihocek the workhorses up the ground. Elliott the quick leading deep forward. Ginni first crack at small forward role, but Hill, McCreery both probably snapping at his heels.

Love it, I guess to try to stay on-topic the point is that McStay is an element that should allow plenty of others to thrive.

I like your starting six except I reckon Sidey owns a wing and maybe Hill could replace him there on the flank, also as I suggested earlier, against an undersized defence I think you could play Ash there - they don't all need to be 'fed' in a particular game, we just kick it constantly to the guy that has the juicy mismatch.

Also I doubt McCreery gets phased out of the 22, I'd have him as the 7th forward on the bench. His pressure and his pace plus his capacity to get on the fast break and deliver to someone who gets out the back is too valuable IMO

 

[Mollythedolly]

23 possessions, 10 hitouts, 6 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in the elimination final against Richmond is an impressive recent performance that suggests he is just hitting his prime. Lions have given him 150 games to develop and now we get the finished product.

He kicked at least two goals in 9 games this season.

He and Kreuger as our keys with Mihocek as a third tall and then Johnson as a mobile fourth is going to create matchup headaches for oppo teams

Not sure those stats are relevant to the role we likely recruited him for.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I get what you are saying Q, but gee I’m sick of the structure debate.

Wouldn’t it be great to have a forward who just kicks goals?

He averaged less goals per game than quite a few of our 2022 forwards ( Checkers, Elliott, Ginnivan, Johnson, Henry) and was ranked 6th at the Lions…. just saying, McStay may not be that panacea.

 

[sr36]

He averaged less goals per game than quite a few of our 2022 forwards ( Checkers, Elliott, Ginnivan, Johnson, Henry) and was ranked 6th at the Lions…. just saying, McStay may not be that panacea.

No one is recruiting McStay to be a big goal kicker - although I think he'll play deeper with us and kick more than he has previously done. He's been recruited to give us a better aerial contest. Our forwards are a walk over in the air, unless the ball is kicked significantly to their advantage.

 

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