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Injury Daniel Menzel - second ruptured ACL

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barmy44 said:
im hoping the operations have fixed up any inherent structural weakness his knees had - does anyone here know if that is a possibility? physiology is not my strong suit...
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during the week leading upto his much anticipated return, I said to the oldman "how would it be if he did his knee again" jokingly, but I think we were all very weary of his rather quick recovery.

Would like to know the answer to your question also because I have heard the ACL surgery can benefit a patient with a weaker knee.
We have to remember though....Aussie rules would be at the top of the tree when it comes to the demands on a human body compared to other sporting codes (soccer included).

Thankfully, the Geelong football club are renown for exploring the latest advancements when it comes to medicine and we have the best in the business...he'll again the no.1 Doc to fix him up like new again.
 
footscore said:
jokingly, but I think we were all very weary of his rather quick recovery.
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I just don't get why this relevant, he did the other knee. I am missing something? :confused:
 
hbk_aus said:
I think Veedubs mentioned earleir in the thread that they cant strengthen the actual ligament but they can possibly make the groove bigger so that it doesnt get jammed so easily. Something along those lines.
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Correct. You have to replace it with some other body part or in the case of lars a bit of seat belt.
 
manboob said:
I just don't get why this relevant, he did the other knee. I am missing something? :confused:
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but we are talking about an individual who had hereditary issues with the knee as his brother had a reconstruction as well.
By waiting for that right knee to fully recover he had already lost considerable strength from his good one by not being able to put the normal amount of body weight through it only a daily basis like you and I take for granted (let alone a high performance athlete).
Once the good knee was put through it's first genuine test..it just gave way.

Same thing occurred to the great Ronaldo after returning from a severe knee injury

 

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AM said:
Welcome back 'footscore'. A naughty boy were we?:)

The club has a truckload of sports medical experts on hand. They have a record of being thorough and careful with rehab. Don't let's try and second guess those in a position to know best.
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Thanks AM :thumbsu:
yeh I got carded for my last quote in that poll thread I created on supporters :mad: amazing ay!

But ye you right...I still don't believe it was coincidence his did the other knee and certainly not blaming the club or anyone for his injury just to make that clear.

Am sure he comes back as good as he left us but it's a shame we can't enjoy his talents in season 2012.
He'd be so good to have lurking around the forward 50 in about 6 weeks time.
Now we'll need to wait till next year and see Vardy, Menzel and West all lurking around the 50 :)
 
yeh I replayed that part rabbi and was very surprised and happy to hear that :thumbsu:

3 x stronger than what it was before the op.

Schwartz did his knees 3 times throughout his career and after he made successive comebacks but you'd think being nearly 20 years ago..materials used back then and the slight advancement in medicine, be a different scenario for athletes today so Schwartz injury would be relatively irrelevant to compare Menzel's ACL's to his.
 
My wife who has been a nurse for over 10 years told me that there has been great advancements in orthopaedic surgery, and in particular arthroscopy/arthroplasty. I don't know about specifics, but she reckons everything from the specific grafts used to the ability of the surgeons has come along in leaps and bounds in the last 15-20 years. In any case, she believes that the failure rate of repaired ACL's in particular should drop dramatically commensurate to the ever increasing demand/load of the modern day professional footballer. Make of that what you will, but I took it as good news for not only Denzel, but sport in general.
 

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DANIEL Menzel was invited into a radio booth last weekend to do some work as a commentator. From high up on a wing, he watched his Geelong teammates play without him for the 16th time in a row. He explained what they were doing, and what they might do next. But he did it without ever feeling like one of them. “I was sitting up there and it felt like that was where I was meant to be,” he said. “It felt like that's what I was meant to be doing, that this is what I do now.”
When Menzel ruptured his right knee, in the qualifying final last year, he didn't find it hard to get motivated, to get started on starting over. The grand final was two weeks away and he had to work out how to balance his own deep disappointment with a genuine desire for his team to win. “A few people told me what it would feel like on the day, but you can't really know what it's like until you're there for yourself,” he said. “I was so happy for them to win. But ever since then I guess I've had the thought in the back of my head: Will I ever get to play in a premiership?”
This time” started on a Saturday morning early last month. It was Menzel's first game back for Geelong's VFL side, less than nine months after having his knee reconstructed, and he had woken up in the morning with no idea of what he used to do: the short walk to loosen up his legs, breakfast, a pre-game massage in the rooms. “Even when the game started, it felt like I hadn't played for a long time,” he said. “It got better after the first quarter, when [the pace of the game] slowed down a bit, but a couple of times the ball came in and I wasn't ready. I was out of place all the time, my timing was no good.”
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Then, Menzel lunged at a half-volley on the half-forward line, grabbing it at full pace. He planted his left leg, the rest of his body swung sharply to the right and he felt a strong, sudden force hit his left knee. It felt as though he had been hip-and-shouldered from both sides and he was amazed, watching the replay later, to see that no one had been near him. “There was a crunch — a really loud, horrible crunch — but I thought that was actually a good thing,” he said. “The first time I did it, I didn't have that. So I couldn't get up, I couldn't walk and the pain was worse, but I thought that might be good.”
He thought the same thing as he was carried off on a stretcher, squeezing each knee as if comparing them, trying to remember. He thought the same thing in the rooms and as he sat on the bench, pausing only when the club doctor said he was almost certain he had ruptured his second ACL. “I thought, 'well, he's been right every time before'. But I had so many emotions in my head that I was telling myself not to believe him, that he could be wrong. It felt so different to the first one that I was positive it was something new. So we got all the scans done and it was something new. I'd damaged my meniscus and done a couple of other things. But my ACL was torn almost right through, too.”
Menzel knew what was coming next. An operation; a week of absolute pain; two weeks on crutches. So far, he's recovered a little bit better than he did first time around, when he needed follow-up surgery to relieve some swelling in his right leg. He started doing some work on his quads last week, and the fact he knows exactly what he needs to do in the next eight or nine months gives him confidence that he can do it. Already, he feels a little bit ahead. “I think it's

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On Troy: “He's going well, though. I've seen some tape and he's way ahead of where I was at the same age”

Dammit, we'll never get him then.
 
footscore said:
and my right testicle...it's a little smaller than the left one but if Denzel wants 3 nuts, he can have it :thumbsu:
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He may as well have both of mine. I don't use them.
 
Rumor has it you are on your knees quite regularly rabbi.....*Grin*

Obviously scuttlebutt.....

(Btw...lying on a beach in Thailand right now...hence my absence....probably good timing on my part. I'll have a Singha for you! )
 
The rabbi said:
He may as well have both of mine. I don't use them.
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haha
just saw that response :D

I think having 5 would weigh him down a little bit. We need him to be up and doing as much as this as possible...

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...when he returns ;)
 

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