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Injury Daniel Menzel - third (partially) ruptured ACL

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Geez, Alex Woodward has now done an ACL. Seems like everyone who has done one before is doing it :( Stay strong Menz
 
VEEDUBS said:
All I can say is it would obviously be better if it didn't have to be rescoped in the first place, BUT, IF the reconstruction itself was ok, and just some scar tissue had to be removed, that is reasonably optimistic. If the graft has been injured, that is a worry. I am a worrier, and I won't be worried unless in 4-6 weeks time he's still not training in some running capacity.



For those who thought that reconstructed knees are ever stronger or better than the original knee, despite the original going down with injury, that unfortunately is faulty thinking. There were some posts back a few where some had had ACL recons and seemed to suggest this assertion. Unless there was a tight notch or tunnel for the ACL to travel through, and that had to be widened, the reconstructed knee at best would be about 85% of the preinjured knee strength. That's a generalisation that I deal with on a daily basis.
I have ZERO knowledge of Menzel's particulars, so nothing here is gospel.
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This was indeed the case. Menzel had an abnormality in both knees and in fact did have to get the tunnel his ACL passes through widened.

As for the comments about the knee. I did make reference to the fact that the way they do ACL reco's now (tripple bundle hamstring) that the tensile strength has been proven to be stronger. That is a clinically proven fact. That does not mean the knee is strong and certainly does not mean better but it does mean reinjury rates are down significantly from where they were 4-5 years ago.

As for the 85% knee strength. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you talking the leg muscles, the ligament, the stability of the knee, his agility?

Stability should be the same, agility will be a down and in time he should get back to 100% leg strength.
 
FromDawn2Dark said:
The first ACL his leg came into contact with Puopolo's when he tried to kick at the ball. That resulted in his knee hyperextending beyond its normal motion. That is non-contact? Hardly. Josh Hunt did his knee in 09 pretty much the same way and hasn't had any real issues since. The 2nd ACL isn't as clear but looked worse. I understand the speculation and anxiety but to be digging the guy an early grave is still absurd to me. It's time to be realistic and cautious but not pessimistic. I expect him to make a come back this year but when and how it goes who knows. I'd hate for him to read the stuff in this forum or he'd slit his writs from all the negativity. Just saying...
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You quoted a reply to a specific comment.
I agree there is no point being negative about his situation. If he reads this stuff he has issues anyway.
He knows the truth about his knees.
Would like to see the vision of the Hawks game injury, I recall at the time how innocuous it was, ie no trauma.
Agree- realism and caution.
 

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DanA said:
This was indeed the case. Menzel had an abnormality in both knees and in fact did have to get the tunnel his ACL passes through widened.

As for the comments about the knee. I did make reference to the fact that the way they do ACL reco's now (tripple bundle hamstring) that the tensile strength has been proven to be stronger. That is a clinically proven fact. That does not mean the knee is strong and certainly does not mean better but it does mean reinjury rates are down significantly from where they were 4-5 years ago.

As for the 85% knee strength. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you talking the leg muscles, the ligament, the stability of the knee, his agility?

Stability should be the same, agility will be a down and in time he should get back to 100% leg strength.
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Good surgeons generally quote that the reconstructed knee gets to about 85% the total functional capacity, strength. Just a realistic cautious estimate; rehab and hard work will often help make up any residual deficits in quads; hamstring grafts do render the hammies precarious in the first year, but they do regenerate.
My only point is it is unrealistic to expect any reconstructed knee to be stronger, or better than the original UNINJURED knee.
 
Nicko29 said:
Geez, Alex Woodward has now done an ACL. Seems like everyone who has done one before is doing it :( Stay strong Menz
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Luckily Menzel hasn't got three legs.
 
I heard Stevie Motlop say on SEN this morning that Menzel is still 8 weeks away from running. That would pretty much rule out a return til around May if that is the case
 
swish05 said:
I heard Stevie Motlop say on SEN this morning that Menzel is still 8 weeks away from running. That would pretty much rule out a return til around May if that is the case
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That can't be true? Thought he was already back up running post fix up? Regardless....would prefer club to ease him into side April / May anyway.....needs a solid pre season behind him first and then will be nice and fresh come round 5 and 6 when we could use a fresh player after a tough start.
 
Gaz_Brownlow said:
That can't be true? Thought he was already back up running post fix up? Regardless....would prefer club to ease him into side April / May anyway.....needs a solid pre season behind him first and then will be nice and fresh come round 5 and 6 when we could use a fresh player after a tough start.
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Well Balme said on his stint with KB this morning that there was infact a minor tear in the repaired graft ( seems to be differen't news to what has previously been reported by the club) which they repaired with a Lars type procedure. Hope to have him back up and playing within the first half of the year but this is certainly not good news imo
 
swish05 said:
Well Balme said on his stint with KB this morning that there was infact a minor tear in the repaired graft ( seems to be differen't news to what has previously been reported by the club) which they repaired with a Lars type procedure. Hope to have him back up and playing within the first half of the year but this is certainly not good news imo
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I have serious doubts we will see him back on the park. Hopefully his year will not go the same as varoce's last year. There is way too much talent to have his career cut short. The fact he is 8 weeks off running puts his first half of the season in serious doubt.
 

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swish05 said:
Well Balme said on his stint with KB this morning that there was infact a minor tear in the repaired graft ( seems to be differen't news to what has previously been reported by the club) which they repaired with a Lars type procedure. Hope to have him back up and playing within the first half of the year but this is certainly not good news imo
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Mmmm, if Balme is coming out and confirming there is a tear it must be significantly worse than first thought! I don't like the idea that the procedure was LARS like????

Realistically, maybe we need to again wait until mid season before Menzel is good and ready to resume. We have enough talent in spades to keep us going early season, there is just no need to rush him into the side!
 
FromDawn2Dark said:
The first ACL his leg came into contact with Puopolo's when he tried to kick at the ball. That resulted in his knee hyperextending beyond its normal motion. That is non-contact? Hardly. Josh Hunt did his knee in 09 pretty much the same way and hasn't had any real issues since. The 2nd ACL isn't as clear but looked worse. I understand the speculation and anxiety but to be digging the guy an early grave is still absurd to me. It's time to be realistic and cautious but not pessimistic. I expect him to make a come back this year but when and how it goes who knows. I'd hate for him to read the stuff in this forum or he'd slit his writs from all the negativity. Just saying...
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Would have to recheck the vision but I thought the Puopolo one was due to reasonable contact.
As I recall they were chasing the ball over the boundary and Dan initiated a bump on Puopolo - he braced his right leg and seemed to twist when delivering the bump forcibly - the foot seemed anchored as he bumped and twisted, not a good look.
 
Seems there are conflicting reports now, sprain of ACL to partial tear? Now I don't know what to believe. I just hope they don't put a time frame on anything, when he comes back isn't important. We just want him to come back full stop. I still have hope for him but now I have doubts regarding 2013.
 
Hoffy95 said:
Having not seen him in the showers, who's to say he hasn't?
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Would it be as good as Mitch Brown's juicy thighs?

Or would I have to consult Footscore on that one?
 
swish05 said:
Well Balme said on his stint with KB this morning that there was infact a minor tear in the repaired graft ( seems to be differen't news to what has previously been reported by the club) which they repaired with a Lars type procedure. Hope to have him back up and playing within the first half of the year but this is certainly not good news imo
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I would be interested to hear from VEEDUBS if partial tears are common. Never really heard of a player only having a partial tear of the ACL.

However someone did tell me Jude Bolton played the Grand Final with an ACL injury, so maybe it is possible.

Either way it is clear that this is a pretty bad situation and the medical staff have to be questioned as to why he was doing twisting and turning at this stage. After the Varcoe debacle last year, have to say pretty disappointed.
 
FromDawn2Dark said:
Seems there are conflicting reports now, sprain of ACL to partial tear? Now I don't know what to believe. I just hope they don't put a time frame on anything, when he comes back isn't important. We just want him to come back full stop. I still have hope for him but now I have doubts regarding 2013.
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Yeah I would cry if we had another Matthew Egan on our hands. Fingers crossed it's nothing or if it is serious aim to have him back round 20 or so...
 

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FredLeDeux said:
So the latest "official" word we have is still Pollyanna Balme's "The surgeon repaired the strained area and we do not believe this will significantly delay Daniel's return to the game."
Which doesn't actually say Round 1, nor indeed any date at all.
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So he is 2 weeks away then?
 

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