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Witts is one of the very best ruck options in the AFL and at 209cm / 111kg it's easy to see why he can dominate the hitouts against most opponents.

Personally I'm not expecting Cameron to beat Witts in this area and really I don't care if he can match or beat him in some other areas like disposals, marks or goals.

Last time Witts dominated with 44 hitouts to 15 but Cameron finished with 2 goals to nil.

I call that a draw.
 
sr36 said:
Just to add, stat comparisons to last year aren't valid either, as we're playing a different plan with lower stat footy.

His marking in defensive 50 has been fabulous. I think it was pretty good last year too, but he didn't spend much time in the ruck.
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Point me to where I’ve said his defensive 50 marking hasn’t been fabulous. I’d say the same of Cox.
 

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Bianconeri said:
Firstly you’re ignoring my second post and secondly I’m not arguing that without Grundy Cameron’s marking is better just that the opposite is not true.
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Firstly, I wasn’t ignoring anything, just got distracted.

Wow, you got me. Those 2.8 marks (total difference between 5.5 and 5.85 marks a game) across 8 games have been the difference. Silly of me not to see it. I’ll leave it there.
 
Quicky said:
There was a point in the game last week where Cameron was going at ~25% hitouts to advantage. That's an insane number.
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Is it? I was under the impression that the league average for HTA was about 25-30%. The best rucks push 35%
 
Quicky said:
There was a point in the game last week where Cameron was going at ~25% hitouts to advantage. That's an insane number.
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It’s on par with Cameron’s average. Was that against Keeffe, Himmelberg, or Green?
 
Apex36 said:
Is it? I was under the impression that the league average for HTA was about 25-30%. The best rucks push 35%
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Yep, Grundy was going above 30% in 2022 in a subpar year by his standards.

Witts is 36%.

Of the main rucks who attend plenty of ruck contests it was actually Pittonet from Carlton who had best HTA % in the 40s.
 
OniAu said:
He has proven to beat Natanui in a final, so i dont think theres any doubts of him being able to take on "better" rucks
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Really? Beat Nic Nat? Thought he did well and arguably broke even. Only attended 22 (for 9 hitouts) of the 67 ruck contests for the game, Grundy the other 45.
 
Mollythedolly said:
Point me to where I’ve said his defensive 50 marking hasn’t been fabulous. I’d say the same of Cox.
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What are you talking about? What am I pointing to? Why?
 

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Mollythedolly said:
Really? Beat Nic Nat? Thought he did well and arguably broke even. Only attended 22 (for 9 hitouts) of the 67 ruck contests for the game, Grundy the other 45.
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When the game was on the line he beat Nic Nat. That being said , the argument is apparently he only beats lame rucks or non rucks. Just proving the point he can dish it up to the best
 
OniAu said:
When the game was on the line he beat Nic Nat. That being said , the argument is apparently he only beats lame rucks or non rucks. Just proving the point he can dish it up to the best
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I’m not saying that at all. I’ve always thought he was a pretty good ruckman. Cox to. Just disagree with the suggestion being made across the BF boards that he’s surpassed Grundy. Even Grundy at his best has struggled against Witts and NicNat at times.
 
Mollythedolly said:
I’m not saying that at all. I’ve always thought he was a pretty good ruckman. Cox to. Just disagree with the suggestion being made across the BF boards that he’s surpassed Grundy. Even Grundy at his best has struggled against Witts and NicNat at times.
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It was in reply to doppleganger. Not yourself. Agree you could even say he evened the contest , crucial moments he rucked us into a final the following week and did well

i agree he hasnt surpassed Grundy, i think people are getting too over excited with Grundy being out and us still winning, Grundy is a gun ruck.
 
OniAu said:
Well he has and won us the game.
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Yes it is handy having a strong fresh option to swing in for Q4 to compete against a bloke who is tiring.

Grundy shouldered the majority of the load, and we had a bigger lead at 3/4 time then at full time.

A huge leap to take that as Cameron beating NicNat in a final and winning us a game...but hey that is your narrative.
OniAu said:
Better than your one where apparently on game day all he rucks against is the ruck pads used at training.
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Take a look at our opponents for the last month.

Keeffe aint a ruckman
Gawn was lame
Reeves is a kid
DeKoning is a kid, Silvagni is flanker

It is great that Cameron and Cox have played some good footy in this period, but IMO they bloody should have as they both had size, weight, experience advantage over the opposition rucks.

I want to see how they perform against some decent senior AFL level rucks before popping the champagne and elevating Cameron to our #1 ruck.
 
doppleganger said:
Yes it is handy having a strong fresh option to swing in for Q4 to compete against a bloke who is tiring.

Grundy shouldered the majority of the load, and we had a bigger lead at 3/4 time then at full time.

A huge leap to take that as Cameron beating NicNat in a final and winning us a game...but hey that is your narrative.

Take a look at our opponents for the last month.

Keeffe aint a ruckman
Gawn was lame
Reeves is a kid
DeKoning is a kid, Silvagni is flanker

It is great that Cameron and Cox have played some good footy in this period, but IMO they bloody should have as they both had size, weight, experience advantage over the opposition rucks.

I want to see how they perform against some decent senior AFL level rucks before popping the champagne and elevating Cameron to our #1 ruck.
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The thing is that it's around the ground where Cameron has excelled - for a ruck, that's not usually opponent specific, as the rucks rarely run with each other.

I think it was obvious from as early as last year that Cameron is very good at dropping back into defence, clunking it or giving us a good aerial contest there. He's clearly not as good as Grundy at stoppage, but is better in the air. It's whichever the coaches prefer.

Personally, I'd be having a crack at playing all 3, with all of them splitting 1st ruck. Cox playing about 60% game time - 20% covering Grundy, 20% covering Cameron and the final 20% with all 3 on the ground with Cameron staying in defence as an extra when Murphy or the other tall defenders rotate, but I doubt it will happen or many would agree.
 

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doppleganger said:
Yes it is handy having a strong fresh option to swing in for Q4 to compete against a bloke who is tiring.

Grundy shouldered the majority of the load, and we had a bigger lead at 3/4 time then at full time.

A huge leap to take that as Cameron beating NicNat in a final and winning us a game...but hey that is your narrative.

Take a look at our opponents for the last month.

Keeffe aint a ruckman
Gawn was lame
Reeves is a kid
DeKoning is a kid, Silvagni is flanker

It is great that Cameron and Cox have played some good footy in this period, but IMO they bloody should have as they both had size, weight, experience advantage over the opposition rucks.

I want to see how they perform against some decent senior AFL level rucks before popping the champagne and elevating Cameron to our #1 ruck.
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Making things up is always fun
 
AFL360 has the solution.
Grundy must spend less time in the ruck and more time in the forward line. Where he can learn to clunk.
A 50/50 split in ruck duties is the best solution right now.
This leaves Cox as a backup option. Which seems a bit unfair as he does seem to have picked up his around the ground game.
 
doppleganger said:
Yes it is handy having a strong fresh option to swing in for Q4 to compete against a bloke who is tiring.

Grundy shouldered the majority of the load, and we had a bigger lead at 3/4 time then at full time.

A huge leap to take that as Cameron beating NicNat in a final and winning us a game...but hey that is your narrative.

Take a look at our opponents for the last month.

Keeffe aint a ruckman
Gawn was lame
Reeves is a kid
DeKoning is a kid, Silvagni is flanker

It is great that Cameron and Cox have played some good footy in this period, but IMO they bloody should have as they both had size, weight, experience advantage over the opposition rucks.

I want to see how they perform against some decent senior AFL level rucks before popping the champagne and elevating Cameron to our #1 ruck.
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Your focus on ruck contests ignores Cameron's around the ground marking, disposals and goals which have been better than anything dished up by Grundy this year prior to injury.
 
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