Universal Love David Teague

[blue healer]

I appreciate we all have different views and ways we measure success (or lack thereof) so what's the benchmark you'd prefer for Teague and how long do you give him?

For me, the failure to address the problem with 5+ goal runs that has happened in 23 games (63% percent of the games he's coached) is evidence enough for mine that he doesn't have what it takes and that his methods clearly aren't working. This was a known problem at the end of last year and he's had an entire offseason to develop an effective Plan B, C, or D but hasn't.

Easy to answer your first question, just a little more than (what is it)? 26 games.

I get your concern about the second paragraph and even share it but consider this. We have had probably one of the toughest draws of any team so far and that's not eased by meeting the ladder leaders this week. With injuries we have had very little or no impact from Williams, Martin, McGovern, Fisher, JSOS, TDK and Newman not to mention Charlie. One of our captains is also in very ordinary form for whatever reason and the other has had some ordinary games as well. And last year was a lost year development wise.

You don't think we should cut him a little slack?

 

[Broadside]

His key problems are selection, game plan, development, stopping a run of goals, in game management.

but apart from that he's doing great !

 

[sparkyblue]

Easy to answer your first question, just a little more than (what is it)? 26 games.

I get your concern about the second paragraph and even share it but consider this. We have had probably one of the toughest draws of any team so far and that's not eased by meeting the ladder leaders this week. With injuries we have had very little or no impact from Williams, Martin, McGovern, Fisher, JSOS, TDK and Newman not to mention Charlie. One of our captains is also in very ordinary form for whatever reason and the other has had some ordinary games as well. And last year was a lost year development wise.

You don't think we should cut him a little slack?

Fair point re: number of games, but I think the sample size we've seen is enough to know if he "has it" or not. Either way, I don't think they're sacking him just yet unless things go really pear-shaped so he'll get further opportunities to adapt.

I don't give really give anyone a pass for last year as everyone was dealing with some degree of adversity or other. I would have thought there was an opportunity for real team development and "gelling" the unit in a hub situation, but this is a view from a distance.

While I'm no footy coach, I had the opportunity to work with brilliant successful coaches in another sport and there are certain traits about them that inspire belief. Some may be quieter characters and some more demonstrative, but there is an aura that comes with them and other key qualities such as insane attention to detail. I've never met Teague, and I only see the public side of his character, but I just don't see it. The contrast between Teague and Bevo on Sunday when dealing with adverse game situations is a perfect example.

 

[blue healer]

Fair point re: number of games, but I think the sample size we've seen is enough to know if he "has it" or not. Either way, I don't think they're sacking him just yet unless things go really pear-shaped so he'll get further opportunities to adapt.

I don't give really give anyone a pass for last year as everyone was dealing with some degree of adversity or other. I would have thought there was an opportunity for real team development and "gelling" the unit in a hub situation, but this is a view from a distance.

While I'm no footy coach, I had the opportunity to work with brilliant successful coaches in another sport and there are certain traits about them that inspire belief. Some may be quieter characters and some more demonstrative, but there is an aura that comes with them and other key qualities such as insane attention to detail. I've never met Teague, and I only see the public side of his character, but I just don't see it. The contrast between Teague and Bevo on Sunday when dealing with adverse game situations is a perfect example.

Fair enough we all have our opinions and I've stated mine.

BTW if you like Bevo on Sunday how'd you feel about Ratts barracking on the side lines?

 

[Stamos]

We have had probably one of the toughest draws of any team so far and that's not eased by meeting the ladder leaders this week.

I think this is a cop-out.
It's not that we've lost to good teams, it's the way we've been playing, and the lack of improvement.

 

[blue healer]

I think this is a cop-out.
It's not that we've lost to good teams, it's the way we've been playing, and the lack of improvement.

You say tomarto I say tom8to, all good, I've done about as much as I can to save the coach. Over to the Board now.

 

[sparkyblue]

BTW if you like Bevo on Sunday how'd you feel about Ratts barracking on the side lines?

Lol. Used sparingly in situations like Bevo did it can work to give your players a rocket. Bolton probably overused it and mostly confused the players with too many instructions.

NFL and Soccer coaches do it every week, so I'd say if it has the desired effect, do it.

 

[BlueVision]

I think this is a cop-out.
It's not that we've lost to good teams, it's the way we've been playing, and the lack of improvement.

Well said, if we were seeing some sort of improvement in the players & game plan then I think more people would be patient, but having been sold a 5 year rebuild & still looking as though we are in no mans land I can understand why the jungle drums are beating.

On the other hand, Teague hasn't been in the drivers seat for very long & deserves more time, but if the same game plan issues keep appearing on such a regular basis, it is reason for concern.

 

[Stamos]

You say tomarto I say tom8to, all good, I've done about as much as I can to save the coach. Over to the Board now.

I'm not saying he should be sacked by the way, it would likely set us even further back.
But he would want to show some improvement. And a number of things should be relatively easy to fix.

 

[gbatman]

I'd probably be more concerned with Teague if our injury toll wasn't so bad.

He needs to improve how he develops youth and how he uses young players and the last few weeks I have seen him do that with young players becoming more involved.

He needs to be better at identifying things match day that aren't working, he sticks with players who are failing for too long and sticks with strategies that are failing for too long, this could be amended with better assistants and better using them.

His attacking game style is going to come under scrutiny a fair bit. Teams who usually win flags attack but have strong defensive capabilities and we don't. IMO it might be more along the lines that we don't have the skills to play defensive footy and still move the footy and score goals than it is so much with coaching but I could be wrong there.

The better sides can go from an all out attacking game style to a slow methodical defensive game style and we can't and perhaps we are too raw. We went more defensive against the Dogs late in the game to try and wrap things up and we couldn't do it, we simply failed to score and failed to apply adequate pressure around stoppages, could be coaching or could be just poor execution from the players.

Turn the assistants over a bit then go from there in 2022, I think we are too early in changing the coach.

 

[blue healer]

I'm not saying he should be sacked by the way, it would likely set us even further back.
But he would want to show some improvement. And a number of things should be relatively easy to fix.

Don't disagree with that.

 

[Accidental genius]

I'd probably be more concerned with Teague if our injury toll wasn't so bad.

He needs to improve how he develops youth and how he uses young players and the last few weeks I have seen him do that with young players becoming more involved.

He needs to be better at identifying things match day that aren't working, he sticks with players who are failing for too long and sticks with strategies that are failing for too long, this could be amended with better assistants and better using them.

His attacking game style is going to come under scrutiny a fair bit. Teams who usually win flags attack but have strong defensive capabilities and we don't. IMO it might be more along the lines that we don't have the skills to play defensive footy and still move the footy and score goals than it is so much with coaching but I could be wrong there.

The better sides can go from an all out attacking game style to a slow methodical defensive game style and we can't and perhaps we are too raw. We went more defensive against the Dogs late in the game to try and wrap things up and we couldn't do it, we simply failed to score and failed to apply adequate pressure around stoppages, could be coaching or could be just poor execution from the players.

Turn the assistants over a bit then go from there in 2022, I think we are too early in changing the coach.

I really like the way swans are able to lock down play and turn a game into a real grind. Not pretty to watch but if it gets you a win why not.

What’s your view on how a relatively young swans team can do this when required and we seem to struggle with it?

 

[blueboy25]

I think this is a cop-out.
It's not that we've lost to good teams, it's the way we've been playing, and the lack of improvement.

Lets take out last year due to the Covid restrictions.

In 2018 we scored over 80 points in 3 out of 22 games.
In 2019 we scored over 80 points in 8 out of 22 games.
in 2021 we have scored over 80 points in 6 from 8 games. In one of the games we didn't score over 80 points we still won.

There are things that still need to improve but there certainly has been improvement in particular our patches of domination against the really good teams. Pretty sure we are the only team that has had over 20 scoring shots each week (we average 25 scoring shots).

To say their has been a lack of improvement is wrong IMO. Yes there are still areas to work on but its not all doom and gloom.

 

[Stamos]

Lets take out last year due to the Covid restrictions.

In 2018 we scored over 80 points in 3 out of 22 games.
In 2019 we scored over 80 points in 8 out of 22 games.
in 2021 we have scored over 80 points in 6 from 8 games. In one of the games we didn't score over 80 points we still won.

There are things that still need to improve but there certainly has been improvement in particular our patches of domination against the really good teams. Pretty sure we are the only team that has had over 20 scoring shots each week (we average 25 scoring shots).

To say their has been a lack of improvement is wrong IMO. Yes there are still areas to work on but its not all doom and gloom.

But we've given up over 100 in 5 out of 8 games, 96 in one, and proved incapable of stopping opposition run-ons.
For those 6 games this year that we scored over 80, we won 2 of them.

It doesn't look like improvement.

 

[blueboy25]

But we've given up over 100 in 5 out of 8 games, 96 in one, and proved incapable of stopping opposition run-ons.
For those 6 games this year that we scored over 80, we won 2 of them.

It doesn't look like improvement.

Remember the days when we could barely score 10 goals, now we are getting 25 shots on goal every week.

Next step is to stop the run-ons and lower the opposition scoring.

 

[17SetMeFree]

How many games has Teague coached for, 36? 16 wins, yes we have lost more than we have won. Clarkson after 36 games, 10 wins. Its too early in his tenure to judge him on a W/L basis. He took over a team that had won 3 of its 33 games directly before he took over. He hasn't coached one full uncompromised season yet.

Sacking him will serve no purpose other than take us even further backwards. I don't want to see us become like Richmond of the early 80s to mid 2000s where they were sacking coaches every 2 to 3 years on average. We've been bad enough ourselves in this area in recent times. The easiest thing is to sack a head coach rather than to delve into the deeper issues and sort them out.

He comes out of contract at the end of 2022? If the status quo remains, do you renew/perservere?
How will he coach in his last year? for survival or for the club? how was he appointed?

I hear what your saying, but there is a line (or should be) . Nothing comes out of the club other than Agonizing rhetoric.
That will and is wearing thin. I dont know the politics of the football dept, but when i hear Lyon repeatidly saying, he would consider a return
to coaching on the condition all levels of a club have to be working in unison, means he would want control, and (maybe) we are not accostommed to give this in the manner required. Does he speak to us when he says this. ??

 

[sparkyblue]

Remember the days when we could barely score 10 goals, now we are getting 25 shots on goal every week.

Next step is to stop the run-ons and lower the opposition scoring.

Not sure you can have both. Our "system" is currently based on getting into shootouts. The same structures that enable us to score well, mean we leak goals like a sieve.

 

[Coops93]

Lets take out last year due to the Covid restrictions.

In 2018 we scored over 80 points in 3 out of 22 games.
In 2019 we scored over 80 points in 8 out of 22 games.
in 2021 we have scored over 80 points in 6 from 8 games. In one of the games we didn't score over 80 points we still won.

There are things that still need to improve but there certainly has been improvement in particular our patches of domination against the really good teams. Pretty sure we are the only team that has had over 20 scoring shots each week (we average 25 scoring shots).

To say their has been a lack of improvement is wrong IMO. Yes there are still areas to work on but its not all doom and gloom.

Improved in areas and fallen away in areas. The attack has improved, but defence has regressed.

 

[Magruder]

My question would be do we have the proper people in place to provide support to any coach let alone a rookie coach? The assistants and footy department certainly need to be looked at.

Agreed.

But I reckon Teague’s future hangs on the next 8 weeks. Probably needs to break even at least.

Apart from Collingwood losses have not been upsets, rather they have been inflicted by sides who have a top 4 shout.

 

[Magruder]

Not sure you can have both. Our "system" is currently based on getting into shootouts. The same structures that enable us to score well, mean we leak goals like a sieve.

Yes you can. Tempo is the key.

 

[Magruder]

but apart from that he's doing great !

Hair looks nice in post match pressers...

 

[sparkyblue]

Yes you can. Tempo is the key.

Tempo (fast ball movement) is why we score in such high numbers. It's also the same reason why we get scored on and torn apart on the turnover. Can't have it both ways.

 

[Magruder]

Tempo (fast ball movement) is why we score in such high numbers. It's also the same reason why we get scored on and torn apart on the turnover. Can't have it both ways.

Tempo is also arresting momentum when it’s with the opposition.
Tempo is dropping the handbrake when the immediate forward options are unfavourable.
It’s build up play to break the opposition down defensively and to allow you to set up defensively if it’s turned over.

It’s not just kamikaze or fast movement.

We do it sometimes and look very good, just not enough.

 

[sparkyblue]

Tempo is also arresting momentum when it’s with the opposition.
Tempo is dropping the handbrake when the immediate forward options are unfavourable.
It’s build up play to break the opposition down defensively and to allow you to set up defensively if it’s turned over.

It’s not just kamikaze or fast movement.

Yeah, I agree. It's also not the way we play and why we are scoring as highly as we are which was my point. We don't control tempo at all with or without the ball. The result is we can bang in 100+ points but can't beat a good side.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Run up a big score, get a big score kicked against us, it’s nearly a weekly occurrence now

My issue is that Teague has spoken about stopping these runs at length, all off-season in fact, and I can’t see one piece of evidence that suggests we are any closer to pulling it off...

In fact I actually see it going the other way!! The better we get at attacking, the worse we get at defending, it’s just not a sustainable game plan long term IMO

Needs to make some tweaks ASAP or it’ll get away from him/us quickly...