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smashbox gill said:
I think with Barker already gone and the reduction in the soft cap for assistants. I’m not sure if they could afford to let Teague go before the end of the season.

Teague goes and you have Amos, Stanton, Bruce, Power left. That’s not enough for an AFL team
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Season is over so it makes no difference.
 
smashbox gill said:
I’ve wanted him gone for a while.
But last night DT’s position became untenable.

Zero intensity, 40 tackles for the game, it was truly a training drill for the Giants for most of the game.

He might continue to the end of the year but having his next year will now impact Carlton’s off field - membership, revenue, recruitment
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I want Lyon, wanted Lyon from mid 2019 when it was clear that Bolton was gone.
 

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If Teague and the coaching staff need to go, so does a good percent of the playing list
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Paddy Dow, sorry he has had enough chances, bang traded. Ditto LOB, SPS etc

Stockpile draft picks and start again.

Least Stocker looks like he will make it as a player..
 
1981 said:
Disagree
Players become disenchanted when they see the system is flawed
That is on the coach
I've never seen a Carlton side so clueless when it comes to defending
Teagues game style is too attack focussed
That's the underlying issue at play here and it's why he has lost the players
The question now is when do the club make the change?
Soft cap, the review taking 6 to 8 weeks, there's a lot of issues that impact the decision
But the club also have to consider the damage of not acting soon
Walsh was tagged out if it last night but he's also looked a bit over it the last few weeks, I would hate to think he is for the first time thinking Carlton isn't a good club
Will Cerra still want to come to us if we keep losing?
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I think you need a big name coach to arrest that momentum.
No,not a messiah, just a big enough presence to enable confidence, a sense that players etc just focus on their responsibilities coz the overall direction is being managed.
 
1981 said:
Disagree
Players become disenchanted when they see the system is flawed
That is on the coach
I've never seen a Carlton side so clueless when it comes to defending
Teagues game style is too attack focussed
That's the underlying issue at play here and it's why he has lost the players
The question now is when do the club make the change?
Soft cap, the review taking 6 to 8 weeks, there's a lot of issues that impact the decision
But the club also have to consider the damage of not acting soon
Walsh was tagged out if it last night but he's also looked a bit over it the last few weeks, I would hate to think he is for the first time thinking Carlton isn't a good club
Will Cerra still want to come to us if we keep losing?
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You and others place too much emphasis on the coach. But you have a point about the game plan. Maybe this team can’t do what most other teams can - be attacking whilst being able to defend well.
 
Percy2257 said:
You and others place too much emphasis on the coach. But you have a point about the game plan. Maybe this team can’t do what most other teams can - be attacking whilst being able to defend well.
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I believe the place needs a total clean out. Everyone needs to be looked at from the coaches to the fitness staff to the board to the players.

But at the end if the day the coach is the most important person so it makes sense he will be scrutinised heavily

I think the problem with the game style is Teague just isn't a defence oriented coach. When he came to the job I never heard him say how important defence is so it's no surprise the players don't defend well
 
1981 said:
Disagree
Players become disenchanted when they see the system is flawed
That is on the coach
I've never seen a Carlton side so clueless when it comes to defending
Teagues game style is too attack focussed
That's the underlying issue at play here and it's why he has lost the players
The question now is when do the club make the change?
Soft cap, the review taking 6 to 8 weeks, there's a lot of issues that impact the decision
But the club also have to consider the damage of not acting soon
Walsh was tagged out if it last night but he's also looked a bit over it the last few weeks, I would hate to think he is for the first time thinking Carlton isn't a good club
Will Cerra still want to come to us if we keep losing?
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Short memory, I reckon. Teams have been pencilling in a win against us for almost all of the last 20 years.
 

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Magruder said:
The talent is there on the list.

The development, game plan, in-game management and general responsiveness (both intellectual and a more visceral passion) is not.

It’s coaching. We are the worst coached team in the comp.
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Exactly
Best Carlton list for a long time
But the Teague supporters will tell you the players are spineless
 
All of the many problems at this club starting at the very top and then filtering all the way down into the insipid playing group can be best summarised in just one simple word

:poo:
 
Just some general ramblings, so bear with me.

We currently play a game style that:
* is physically taxing
* doesn’t have adequate team defence structures
* doesn’t help mitigate mistakes
* requires us to play at a fast pace
* relies upon the strengths of particular individuals to keep us competitive
* simultaneously exposes the weaknesses of many players
* requires unending effort for small gains.

And people wonder why the players may check out for periods in game and are at risk of doing it for the season.

Fix the coaching.
 
Magruder said:
The talent is there on the list.

The development, game plan, in-game management and general responsiveness (both intellectual and a more visceral passion) is not.

It’s coaching. We are the worst coached team in the comp.
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Gold Coast Suns says hello. They have more talent than us quite frankly.

SOS and his flawed micro management style of rebuilding is not copping enough criticism. We have nowhere near a list capable of challenging for a flag. It may be hard for some here to digest, but i think most neutral observers would agree with me.


The fact we are going to get rid of another coach in 5 years is very much a testament that our latest rebuild has failed.

I certainly do not expect us to play finals next year under a new coach, we have to accept the fact we are in for another mini rebuild of sorts.
 
1981 said:
The Teague supporters will tell us we've played a lot of good sides.. so it's OK to lose to teams sitting 1 to 12 on the ladder lol
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I was happy to go with this for some time. The empirical evidence would suggest that the genuine talent we have assembled kept us in games in spite of the coaching.
 

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Elmer_Judd said:
Gold Coast Suns says hello. They have more talent than us quite frankly.

SOS and his flawed micro management style of rebuilding is not copping enough criticism. We have nowhere near a list capable of challenging for a flag. It may be hard for some here to digest, but i think most neutral observers would agree with me.


The fact we are going to get rid of another coach in 5 years is very much a testament that our latest rebuild has failed.

I certainly do not expect us to play finals next year under a new coach, we have to accept the fact we are in for another mini rebuild of sorts.
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Agree with that, our list is filled with more holes than swiss cheddar, recruiting for several years has been generally bad, our recent high - paid recruits are too often not what the list need and/or not delivering. It's going to take years to recover (again).
Heads need to roll, and not just those of coaches and recruiters. Those who have overseen this rubbish for the last few years need to be held to account or it will just keep recurring!

Ps Elmer, if you're a Leeds supporter then why the Chelsea icon? Sorry if you've answered that 20 times before, but I wasn't here then.
 
Elmer_Judd said:
Gold Coast Suns says hello. They have more talent than us quite frankly.

SOS and his flawed micro management style of rebuilding is not copping enough criticism. We have nowhere near a list capable of challenging for a flag. It may be hard for some here to digest, but i think most neutral observers would agree with me.


The fact we are going to get rid of another coach in 5 years is very much a testament that our latest rebuild has failed.

I certainly do not expect us to play finals next year under a new coach, we have to accept the fact we are in for another mini rebuild of sorts.
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That may be true. But I reckon we have at least 5 generational talents on the list. And that’s enough when surrounded by others enabled and encouraged by their environment.

You just need planning and structures that don’t rely exclusively on talent.
You also need culture, buy in and frankly mongrel.

We don’t have those... and it’s an indictment on our coachin* group.
 
Elmer_Judd said:
If Teague and the coaching staff need to go, so does a good percent of the playing list
.
Paddy Dow, sorry he has had enough chances, bang traded. Ditto LOB, SPS etc

Stockpile draft picks and start again.

Least Stocker looks like he will make it as a player..
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You don't need raw talent to have geninue effort and intensity to apply pressure to the opposition, sadly our 1st half was of a team that lacked effort & care factor.
We need a leader with a harder edge, the list is much better than 3 years, we list another quality midfielder but so many players are well below expectations.
 
macky99 said:
You don't need raw talent to have geninue effort and intensity to apply pressure to the opposition, sadly our 1st half was of a team that lacked effort & care factor.
We need a leader with a harder edge, the list is much better than 3 years, we list another quality midfielder but so many players are well below expectations.
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If the players I mentioned have not performed for 2 coaches, i doubt they will for a 3rd, which is why I am in favour of trading them for picks or somehow package them to get someone like Cerra.

I assume Marchbank retire, but need to start looking for another young KPD to help Weiters, Liam Jones is no spring chicken..

No more Zac Williams or Adam Saad quick fix recruiting either.
 
I dont blame teague, I think he's tried to build a gameplan around the type of players we have, rather than making the players adhere to his own style.

Fact is, we have a bunch of "outside" types that think they are above doing the dirty work and are better placed being "receivers". It's a problem this club has had for years.
 
Elmer_Judd said:
If the players I mentioned have not performed for 2 coaches, i doubt they will for a 3rd, which is why I am in favour of trading them for picks or somehow package them to get someone like Cerra.

I assume Marchbank retire, but need to start looking for another young KPD to help Weiters, Liam Jones is no spring chicken..

No more Zac Williams or Adam Saad quick fix recruiting either.
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Which players?
 

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