Mega Thread Dayne Beams trade (Its over, thread closed)

[PhiloBeddoe]

Eddie said this the day the Beams story broke on MMM.
Said "is he a fan of leading teams, well no"

And Selwood was asked about Leading Teams and Scarlett. The story goes that Scarlett wasn't too rapt with it so someone had to get into his ear. When asked about what would have happened had Scarlett refused to embrace it? Selwood replied "He would've been traded."
I guess he embraced it.

 

[Chameleon75]

I think we all know the Mick allowed a few indiscretions as long as you were playing good football. Buckley on the other hand is demanding professionalism on & off the field. They are two different people with two different approaches to people management. As a member of the club I want two things from this club, on field success & not reading about our players misbehavior in the papers. It's a balancing act, no one size fit all when it comes to managing people.
My point was when someone new walks in the door at that senior level they will identify gaps and opportunities at a workplace. Eddie also alluded to this in his speech last year that some players were being selfish. We need a culture change, we need to improve our list and we need players who want to play for the club. Is Buckley the right person for the job? Only time will tell.

the point of my post was about maintaining balance.

 

[Chameleon75]

Now I've got it, you really have no idea what Leading Teams is do you?

Both of those things bolded are the same thing. The second is Leading Team as it works in practice

Ah no.

obtaining feed back and consensus management are not the same thing.

 

[dubber]

the point of my post was about maintaining balance.

And you would know that simple word is sometimes impossible to achieve without causing large ripples. Maybe this is all happening for a reason and in some years we may look back and say that this was the catalyst that caused our club to unite. Well, that's what i hope anyway.

 

[Pedro]

Happy to deal in the facts.

Please provide evidence that they were told to leave, but wanted to stay.

Dunno if it counts as evidence, but I spoke to Tony Shaw at a function who said that Heath begged the Pies to stay, but they had made their mind up on him.

 

[Big Bryza]

This year we have had Beams and Lumumba. Last year it was Thomas and Shaw. The year before it was Dawes and Wellingham. All premiership players and significant parts of our team. Not many other teams would have had such integral parts of a team's best 22 walk away from the club over a few years.

Name one of those players that has gone on to bigger and better things.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Ah no.

obtaining feed back and consensus management are not the same thing.

Umm...yes it is its all a component of the 360 cycle

 

[Big Bryza]

No matter who is in charge Beams would be leaving, this isnt about football.
The culture is changing and its for the better, short term pain for long term gain.

Spot on mate. It staggers me how people can't comprehend this.

 

[Chameleon75]

Umm...yes it is its all a component of the 360 cycle

might be part but still not the same. I get feedback from my clients, they make no decisions though.

 

[SugarCoat]

Name one of those players that has gone on to bigger and better things.

You don't look at it in a player transaction view.
You ask yourself.
Is it a waste of Buckley's coaching that he couldn't get the best out of premiership players in their prime years?
What affect has trading these players had on the overall morale and cohesion of the playing list?
You don't look at what they are achieving or not at other clubs.

 

[dubber]

might be part but still not the same. I get feedback from my clients, they make no decisions though.

So they give you feedback that you are not doing a good job, you make some changes, yet they have not made the decision but you have acted on their feedback. What am i missing?

 

[Big Bryza]

Mate, it would be a hell of a lot of work no doubt but absolute first thing is get rid of Leading Teams and second thing is to sit down with all the players and tell them we f'd up and we wat to fix everything. Next task is to find out what everything is but the players won't tell the club unless they want to and feel they can. Whether Buckley has to go I am not sure from here but we have to consider that possibility. More broadly, I think Eddie has run his race but that's another shitstorm for another day.

The minute the players start running the club is when things are really ****ed up.

No individual is greater than the club.

 

[SugarCoat]

The minute the players start running the club is when things are really ****** up.

No individual is greater than the club.

Buckley is.

 

[PieNSauce]

You don't look at it in a player transaction view.
You ask yourself.
Is it a waste of Buckley's coaching that he couldn't get the best out of premiership players in their prime years?
What affect has trading these players had on the overall morale and cohesion of the playing list?
You don't look at what they are achieving or not at other clubs.

For one thing, it's exceptionally difficult to get the best from players while they lie on hospital beds. Secondly, the effect of players departing is not something that you will ever be able to quantify.

 

[Chameleon75]

So they give you feedback that you are not doing a good job, you make some changes, yet they have not made the decision but you have acted on their feedback. What am i missing?

Your missing a lot, acting on feedback and having the authority to make decisions are different things.

 

[Starcevich90]

Name one of those players that has gone on to bigger and better things.

Name one of those spots we have been able to fill. Read: 11th on ladder.

 

[JoffreyPie]

Now I've got it, you really have no idea what Leading Teams is do you?

Both of those things bolded are the same thing. The second is Leading Team as it works in practice

I'm a Buckley supporter but I have to say what I saw of Leading Teams when they presented a workshop at a corporate conference a couple of years back was grossly underwhelming. Simplistic boys club stuff really. Be no shock if some players though it a lot of bullshit.. Most off the shelf personal development schemes are.

 

[Robroy22]

[QUOTE="Football Pope, post: 35427829, member: 92455"]It's been reported....that they don't have the room in their cap[/QUOTE]

Mistake one: Believing anything in the AFL press at this time of the year.
Mistake two: These are the guys that got Ablett......how long is it until they have to show their cards?

 

[dubber]

Your missing a lot, acting on feedback and having the authority to make decisions are different things.

So the players are providing feedback as part of the 360 but only the club has the authority to make decisions. Is that it? How is that all relevant to what we are discussing here if you don't mind?

 

[Big Bryza]

You don't look at it in a player transaction view.
You ask yourself.
Is it a waste of Buckley's coaching that he couldn't get the best out of premiership players in their prime years?
What affect has trading these players had on the overall morale and cohesion of the playing list?
You don't look at what they are achieving or not at other clubs.

Yes you do. We were very lucky to win a SF in 2012 with those players mentioned. Teams had figured us out and gone past us. To see none of those players who left go on and become better players or play in successful sides just proves this.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

might be part but still not the same. I get feedback from my clients, they make no decisions though.

I do not dispute that many people have no idea what Leading Teams is, even though they themselves participate in something identical at their own place of work.
What I find staggering is that they bag something without bothering to find out what it actually is, but even more funny is that they then say we should be x or y which is in effect what Leading Teams is all about

 

[Big Bryza]

Buckley is.

Get a grip.

 

[Big Bryza]

Name one of those spots we have been able to fill. Read: 11th on ladder.

Or the fact we were sitting top 4 after round 11 before the wheels fell off injury wise. See, we can all play this game.

 

[MyManLynch]

Buckley is.

Not at all. Your attempts to create a 'it's all Buckley's fault' scenario are not proven.
You have a theory & an agenda. That is all.

 

[Chameleon75]

So the players are providing feedback as part of the 360 but only the club has the authority to make decisions. Is that it? How is that all relevant to what we are discussing here if you don't mind?

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