De-list Eagleton

[Go_Dogs]

Against the Adelaide Crows when we got mopped by 80 odd points, Eagle had 34 touches, and was clearly BOG earlier this year.

He is a very damaging midfielder, he kicks long goals, he runs hard, his clearance work has improved, he'll never be a terrific contested ball winner, but he doesn't duck his head and shun the contest like he used to get sledged for. He is a much improved player, and although certain aspects of his game sometimes draw critisim, he is definently an important part of our going forward, he's in the leadership group, and he won't be traded. Simple as that.

 

[Benno From Berwick]

Against the Adelaide Crows when we got mopped by 80 odd points, Eagle had 34 touches, and was clearly BOG earlier this year.

He is a very damaging midfielder, he kicks long goals, he runs hard, his clearance work has improved, he'll never be a terrific contested ball winner, but he doesn't duck his head and shun the contest like he used to get sledged for. He is a much improved player, and although certain aspects of his game sometimes draw critisim, he is definently an important part of our going forward, he's in the leadership group, and he won't be traded. Simple as that.

If he is in fact as improtant as you indicate we will not figure in flag contentions for at least 4 years.

 

[Go_Dogs]

Every team would love midfielders who can win contested ball and then run as fast as Judd and delivery the ball perfectly. That is not realistic. Eagle is one of the best runners, and best delivers of the ball in the team. He is also one of few who is comfortable taking a shot from outside 50 and kicking it the majority of times. We need players like him who can run the lines, kick goals and deliver the ball accurately.

I think your over-stating how important I think he is, but he is definently an important part of the make up of the side. I dont see people jumping down Ray's neck, his disposal has been worse, he wins less contested ball, less clearance and everything else. Obviously, one is a much younger, slight-bodied player. But the team needs these sorts. Every team does. .

 

[Pembleton]

Fairly or unfairly I just don't rate him. Has he ever been our best in a losing team?

He was one of our best players from the second half of the year in '03 and for the entire '04 season. Not bad for a "frontrunner" given we won only 7 games in that 33 game (roughly) period.

 

[Benno From Berwick]

He was one of our best players from the second half of the year in '03 and for the entire '04 season. Not bad for a "frontrunner" given we won only 7 games in that 33 game (roughly) period.

That is fine, if you think he is in our best 22 and that his contribution will add to our flag chances that is cool.

I just don't believe it! Frankly what you have put up to show me how wrong I am is laughable.

 

[Bender The Offender]

i would love him to come to essendon he is just the player we need
seeing as we need a midfielder
Give him to essendon

 

[Go_Dogs]

Who would Essendon trade for him, in this hypothetical trade?

 

[Benno From Berwick]

Sorry benno, if you think a player being one of our best when were losing almost every game isn't good evidence to suggest that he doesn't only play well when things are going well for us, you are not very bright.

I am not bright becuase my view is different to yours? Well Done Pembleton!

If you like him and think he is a contributor to a future permiership then you are the one that is not bright.

 

[Pembleton]

That is fine, if you think he is in our best 22 and that his contribution will add to our flag chances that is cool.

I just don't believe it! Frankly what you have put up to show me how wrong I am is laughable.

Your view is that Eagle is only useful when things are already going well for us. This is what i was responding to. My point that he was one of our best players over a 33 game period where things were going extremely poorly for us, is very much pertinent to your assertion about his inability to perform when things are not going well. If you think that is laughable, you are stupid.

 

[Benno From Berwick]

Your view is that Eagle is only useful when things are already going well for us. This is what i was responding to. My point that he was one of our best players over a 33 game period where things were going extremely poorly for us, is very much pertinent to your assertion about his inability to perform when things are not going well. If you think that is laughable, you are stupid.

You may want to pull your head in with the name calling. It is not becoming of you.

I think he is a dud. You clearly support him. Fine. Don't tell me I am stupid because my view is different to yours.

 

[Pembleton]

I am not bright becuase my view is different to yours? Well Done Pembleton!

If you like him and think he is a contributor to a future permiership then you are the one that is not bright.

I deleted that post (before your quote was up yet) because i thought it came off harsh. I hope my replacement post makes things clearer than they seem to be.

BTW, didn't you call my view laughable because you don't agree with it? So dare i say, YOU STARTED IT! So, well Done Benno!

 

[Pembleton]

You may want to pull your head in with the name calling. It is not becoming of you.

I think he is a dud. You clearly support him. Fine. Don't tell me I am stupid because my view is different to yours.

Benno, i am not sure if you are struggling to follow what i am saying or not, but you certainly don't seem to be responding to the point i am making at all. I have not stated an opinion about what i think of Eagle as a player, but merely provided some evidence against the view that he only performs when things are going well.

You called this evidence laughable. You provide nothing to show me why that is the case, and now sook when i call you stupid for the way you dismissed it. I will pull my head in when you start using yours.

 

[Rocco Jones]

You may want to pull your head in with the name calling. It is not becoming of you.

I think he is a dud. You clearly support him. Fine. Don't tell me I am stupid because my view is different to yours.

Didn't you start it all by calling his opinion "laughable"? Isn't that insulting? You have a go at people for having a different opinion and then sook when someone has a go back. You ask people to explain an opinion when it is different to yours and then don't listen/are insulting.

If you are going to be arrogant and ignorant make sure you're not an idiot. Thinking the notion of not delisting Eagleton as laughable is plain stupid.

 

[Benno From Berwick]

Benn, i am not sure if you are struggling to follow what i am saying. I have nopt stated an opinion about what i think of Eagle as a player, but merely provided strong evidence against the view that he only performs when things are going well.

You called this evidence laughable. You provide nothing to show me why that is the case, and now sook when i call you stupid for the way you dismissed it. I will pull my head in when you start using yours.

Well, you are clearly smarter than me. Strong evidence in your humble opinion. He was one of our better players? In your humble opinion. That is fine.

I note I suggested your evidence was laughable, not you. You feel free to continue to call me stupid, not bright and make suggestions about what I should and should not think.

Let me concide he can get a kick in some circumstances when we are getting beat. But, that doesn't change my view that he is not a player that will contribute to a Bulldog flag....unless he was of course playing for the opposition!

Stupid signing off.

 

[Captain Sensible]

OK everybody has made their point and now we all know that Benno, Pembleton and Rocco are a bit on the slow side when it comes to thinking and stuff. Lets get back to the topic guys.

 

[Benno From Berwick]

Didn't you start it all by calling his opinion "laughable"? Isn't that insulting? You have a go at people for having a different opinion and then sook when someone has a go back. You ask people to explain an opinion when it is different to yours and then don't listen/are insulting.

If you are going to be arrogant and ignorant make sure you're not an idiot. Thinking the notion of not delisting Eagleton as laughable is plain stupid.

I didn't call the idea of not delisting him laughable. Rocco, that advise about being ignorant.........look into that.

 

[Rocco Jones]

I didn't call the idea of not delisting him laughable. Rocco, that advise about being ignorant.........look into that.

FFS Rocco! Do you want to be banned?-LY

 

[Benno From Berwick]

FFS Rocco! Do you want to be banned?-LY

Well done.

Hope you feel good about yourself. You make a comment that is incorrect, I correct you and then you reply in such a muture fashion.

If you re read my post where I first use the work laughable you will realise that I was not suggesting anything about not delisting him.

But you believe what you want.

 

[Gooka]

Eagle is a good player. He's not a superstar, but he's good. He's definitely in the best 22.

Had a shocker this weekend. Fine. He wasn't the only one. He is not the type of guy who will win us a tough, man on man, wet game of footy off his own boot. At the Dome he comes into his own. I think he can play... however he may have been subsituted for a harder player like Faulkner had we known the rain would fall on the weekend.

To suggest de-listing him is to suggest he is worth nothing to anyone... which is suggesting that Pat Bowden or Jade Rawlings offered more last season. I couldn't agree with that.

As mentioned, if a trade came up, we should discuss. He's not integral to us but is still a decent player none the less. He really is the type of guy we should be considering trading because he DOES offer a fair bit to teams lacking line breakers and good foot skills. If we can get a KPP that suits our needs in a trade that inlcudes Eagle, then go for it. Don't just toss him away though.

For what it's worth, I think he could definitely play a role in a dogs flag.

 

[Bulldogsnm1]

If you want to talk offensive, then I find your heading to the thread offensive..

A true Bulldog supporter, not a slagger would have titled

Eagleton future - lets discuss or something of that nature

 

[Bender The Offender]

Who would Essendon trade for him, in this hypothetical trade?

soloman
bolton
hennamen
cartiledge
reynolds

any of these DUDS are yours

 

[Rocco Jones]

FFS Rocco! Do you want to be banned?-LY

I'm pretty sure I didn't post that.

 

[Benno From Berwick]

If you want to talk offensive, then I find your heading to the thread offensive..

A true Bulldog supporter, not a slagger would have titled

Eagleton future - lets discuss or something of that nature

Fair comment.

I haven't tired, ever to hide my dislike for Eagleton. He has impressed me in some games but not enough. I could have certainly been more diplomatic with my thread title. Sorry if it has caused you offense.

 

[Pembleton]

Well, you are clearly smarter than me. Strong evidence in your humble opinion. He was one of our better players? In your humble opinion. That is fine.

I note I suggested your evidence was laughable, not you. You feel free to continue to call me stupid, not bright and make suggestions about what I should and should not think.

Let me concide he can get a kick in some circumstances when we are getting beat. But, that doesn't change my view that he is not a player that will contribute to a Bulldog flag....unless he was of course playing for the opposition!

Stupid signing off.

You must be taking too long to post, because i had touched that one up by the time you replied as well. "Strong" evidence was over the top by me, and i had changed it before i thought my post had been seen by anyone.

You still haven't said anything about what you think is laughable in my view. Presumably what i said is not so obviously wrong because you are not saying why it is wrong, and if it is not obviously wrong, surely it can't be a laughable suggestion.

I only called you stupid once, so not sure about your "continuing" comment. I also added a as a token of the fact i was not trying to be overly mean. You seem to be arguing that because you "only" called my view laughable (without seeing fit to giving me enough respect to even suggest why that is the case), that my standing up for myself by calling you stupid (for that laughable comment, mind you) in response, somehow means that i have done you wrong but you have done nothing questionable. You might say i find that argument laughable. (Thats a light hearted comment, designed to show that i have no ill will towards you, just in case you choose to see it as otherwise.)

Thats the last i will say on the topic. I apologise for getting dragged into this, but i found the way you dismissed and insulted the minor point that i made offensive, and I think that my response was fair enough in that context. Peace and Love.

Apologies for this local, i was already posting it when you asked us to stop. I hope you see fit to let it stay.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Eagle stands out because he is bald. This accentuates everything he does. If he does something good - like getting a handball from a player who is 60 out and then kicks the goal - it seems that much better. If on the other hand he has a shocker, like 99% of the list against the eagles - then he cops the brunt of critisism. He was flying before he got himself injured - he was in the best every week and his style of play complements West and Cross who dish it out to him as he streaks past. The only player on the listwho can consistently kick the ball 60m