Dean Solomon Appreciation Thread

[Kenny_01]

Solly deserves his own thread... been close to our best all season. Been so ferocious at the contest, it is actually quite amazing.

"When that ball is in the balance I know who is going to win it ... and you know what, he is playing against a side this week that did not want him," Harvey said.

Harvey also said he has been in our top 3 players this season.

Thankyou Bombers and thankyou Solly

 

[Underdog]

that effort deep in the pocket that nearly resulted in a goal was superb. Really reveals how much a simple 1% can make

 

[Lach72]

God he was good.

Smashed Kerr in a couple of crunching tackles...didn;t know what hit him

 

[theGav56]

Awesome. Again. I know he's not fast, but geez, he has the speed to make a ball that is lost to us, become a ball in dispute.

The Age names Tarrant in our best players, and he was certainly our best tall forward. I'm going to need someone to explain to me again why you shouldn't trade for good, mid-age players, especially in a draft where you snare a couple of players that will be very good for us in years to come like we did last year.

In contrast, Murphy, a first round draft pick on our list for four years (?) again had minimal impact. I think he will make it as a player, but it does show how long it can take for a tall player to become someone who can actually influence the game.

 

[Underdog]

In contrast, Murphy, a first round draft pick on our list for four years (?) again had minimal impact. I think he will make it as a player, but it does show how long it can take for a tall player to become someone who can actually influence the game.

Staker has only really come on this year and has played 80-odd games. Guys like Lynch and Hunter were the same.

 

[theGav56]

Staker has only really come on this year and has played 80-odd games. Guys like Lynch and Hunter were the same.

Exactly. So if you can pick up a player who already has the development time in him, you are way in front. Take a look at Polak, McDougal and Sampi as players close to home who have returned little despite being very high draft picks.

 

[pinkus maximus]

thank you indeed to the bombers

its hard to believe this is the same guy that looked almost finished as a top liner last year. cant wait to see him next week

 

[dominguez]

I'm going to need someone to explain to me again why you shouldn't trade for good, mid-age players, especially in a draft where you snare a couple of players that will be very good for us in years to come like we did last year.

In contrast, Murphy, a first round draft pick on our list for four years (?) again had minimal impact. I think he will make it as a player, but it does show how long it can take for a tall player to become someone who can actually influence the game.

Trading for good, midage players is fine aslong as they are low risk, are a high priority and you don't pay too much.

Solomon has been the model footballer on and off the field, cost us bugger all, has a great record in big games, brings some much needed hardness and ball winning ability and has been one of our best players on a consistent basis.

Tarrant has been inconsistent, is a shocking kick, has a history of off field incidents which has continued at Fremantle, cost us a shit load at the trade table and in the salary cap, goes missing in big games, has a history of leg injuries, and doesn't fill a role that we desperately needed to fill.

Surely if the guys that we got with late picks "will be very good" then the guys we would have got with earlier picks would have been superstars?

Murphy kicked 70 goals in his first year but has gone backwards. Like Polak Murphy and Mundy will benefit from playing under a more disciplined coach. Murphy will be very good next year, hopefully he's still at Fremantle.

 

[dominguez]

Exactly. So if you can pick up a player who already has the development time in him, you are way in front. Take a look at Polak, McDougal and Sampi as players close to home who have returned little despite being very high draft picks.

Judd, Pavlich and Josh Carr were early picks too.

Lets look at some of the big deals a few years down the track, when it is possible to gauge the players taken with the early draft picks given away.

Bell = Clement + Holland + Sinclair + Dylan Smith. Looks a good deal to Fremantle supporters, but I know which side of the deal most rival supporters would take.

Croad = Luke Hodge. Bad deal.

Headland = Selwood + Brennan + McPhee. Bad deal.

Tarrant = Pick 13 + Polak + Medhurst. I have no doubt that in 2 years time that it will be a bad deal unless we win a flag with Tarrant in the side. It's quite possible that Polak will be better than Tarrant in 2008, and that Murphy will be better than Tarrant in 2009 (probably for another club).

Surely Hawthorn are proof that the draft is the way to go? They were down the bottom 3 years ago and are now climbing the ladder rapidly. We were down the bottom 6 years ago, chased a big name recruit in all but one of the last 6 years years, and are sitting in the bottom 4. I'd love to see the players Phil Smart had pencilled in at pick 6 in 2000, picks 1, 20 and 36 in 2001, picks 3 and 20 in 2002, pick 11, 27 and 43 in 2004 and pick 8 in 2006.

 

[Kenny_01]

Judd, Pavlich and Josh Carr were early picks too.

Lets look at some of the big deals a few years down the track, when it is possible to gauge the players taken with the early draft picks given away.

Bell = Clement + Holland + Sinclair + Dylan Smith. Looks a good deal to Fremantle supporters, but I know which side of the deal most rival supporters would take.

Croad = Luke Hodge. Bad deal.

Headland = Selwood + Brennan + McPhee. Bad deal.

Tarrant = Pick 13 + Polak + Medhurst. I have no doubt that in 2 years time that it will be a bad deal unless we win a flag with Tarrant in the side. It's quite possible that Polak will be better than Tarrant in 2008, and that Murphy will be better than Tarrant in 2009 (probably for another club).

Surely Hawthorn are proof that the draft is the way to go? They were down the bottom 3 years ago and are now climbing the ladder rapidly. We were down the bottom 6 years ago, chased a big name recruit in all but one of the last 6 years years, and are sitting in the bottom 4. I'd love to see the players Phil Smart had pencilled in at pick 6 in 2000, picks 1, 20 and 36 in 2001, picks 3 and 20 in 2002, pick 11, 27 and 43 in 2004 and pick 8 in 2006.

McPhee wasn't in the Headland deal.

Holland and Sinclair are hardly world beaters.

Polak being better than Tarrant in 2008 is laughable. Seriously. Tarrant is still one of the elite forwards going around... Polak will never be an elite forward, or an elite key defender for that matter.

if you line up all the players we have got from trades against all the players we have lost... from 2000 onwards, i'm confident it stacks up pretty well.

 

[theGav56]

Judd, Pavlich and Josh Carr were early picks too.

Lets look at some of the big deals a few years down the track, when it is possible to gauge the players taken with the early draft picks given away.

Bell = Clement + Holland + Sinclair + Dylan Smith. Looks a good deal to Fremantle supporters, but I know which side of the deal most rival supporters would take.

Croad = Luke Hodge. Bad deal.

Headland = Selwood + Brennan + McPhee. Bad deal.

Tarrant = Pick 13 + Polak + Medhurst. I have no doubt that in 2 years time that it will be a bad deal unless we win a flag with Tarrant in the side. It's quite possible that Polak will be better than Tarrant in 2008, and that Murphy will be better than Tarrant in 2009 (probably for another club).

Surely Hawthorn are proof that the draft is the way to go? They were down the bottom 3 years ago and are now climbing the ladder rapidly. We were down the bottom 6 years ago, chased a big name recruit in all but one of the last 6 years years, and are sitting in the bottom 4. I'd love to see the players Phil Smart had pencilled in at pick 6 in 2000, picks 1, 20 and 36 in 2001, picks 3 and 20 in 2002, pick 11, 27 and 43 in 2004 and pick 8 in 2006.

Too many flaws in your accounting.

Neither Polak or Clement were getting a senior game, and Polak was gone anyway via the psd or as part of a trade.

Dylan Smith was pick 4, another example of how uncertain drafting players is. Have a look at the picks traded for J Carr, the players chosen, and then tell me they got the better of the deal. Port fans certainly don't think so.

Brennan has only just begun to play decent football, or should that be had a decent game last week, Headland has been playing reasonably for 4 years (though not at the standard we had hoped for).

We would have picked Polak with #1, not Hodge. Sampi with #4. At least that was the mood, and again shows how unreliable picks are, even early ones. Croad was AA after we traded him back, so in terms of the talent we got, not a bad trade at all. It didn't work out for all sorts of reasons, but was still an okay move.

Kicking goals at WAFL is fine, but we didn't recruit Murphy for that. He gets minimal touches, and offers little defensively. When he plays, the most he offers is as a decoy. Not enough.

Regardless, we are likely to get 100 games out of Tarrant, who is currently sitting on 29 goals, a heap of possesions, defensive pressure, and is a genuine foil to Pavlich.

You talk about Hawthorn as the model, rather than the flag winning Swans?

The reality is trading for players is a legitimate way to develop the list, and has worked well for us. Bad trades/recruiting always happen to every team.

 

[Slacker]

That was some bloody impressive attacking of the football by Solly. His effort in the first few minutes of the 4th sent a message to everyone on the field.

 

[Belnakor]

Polak being better than Tarrant in 2008 is laughable. Seriously. Tarrant is still one of the elite forwards going around... Polak will never be an elite forward, or an elite key defender for that matter.

Gutless Graham isn't even close to Tarrant. Tarrant actually has a bit of heart, plays in the forward and works hard off the ball. Polak drifts around lose man in defense for a team that has won one game for the season.

 

[Tank36]

Gutless Graham isn't even close to Tarrant. Tarrant actually has a bit of heart, plays in the forward and works hard off the ball. Polak drifts around lose man in defense for a team that has won one game for the season.

I've said it before & I'll say it again.....
Solomon & Tarrant wont win you a premiership.

Premiership teams usually contain 2-3 Elite players of which
Freo has 1 in Pavlich and that's it. Build your team around him
with youth and develop your future champions.

 

[pistol17]

I've said it before & I'll say it again.....
Solomon & Tarrant wont win you a premiership.

Premiership teams usually contain 2-3 Elite players of which
Freo has 1 in Pavlich and that's it. Build your team around him
with youth and develop your future champions.

I dont think we ever said those 2 players will win us a premiership.

 

[Tank36]

I dont think we ever said those 2 players will win us a premiership.

Then what the hell are Fremantle trying to achieve then ???

What to Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide, Port Adelaide & WCE all
have in common that Fremantle don't ??

 

[malpaso]

Solly Is A God.

 

[FootyEater]

Then what the hell are Fremantle trying to achieve then ???

What to Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide, Port Adelaide & WCE all
have in common that Fremantle don't ??

Solly and Taz may not be the difference between winning and losing a premiership, but they are significant players in a team that if it had 2 more skillfull midfielders would be a premiership team. im betting that taz and solly would make it into anyteam in the afl.

draft picks are required, but there is no point keeping dud players like medhurst and leigh brown and polak on your list, and if it costs a draft pick as well to get a bell or a carr or a solomon over here then so be it. solly and taz have improved our list, which ended up fourth last year, it is the younger players lack of improvement that has cost us this year, not our pick trading

 

[sumavich]

I've said it before & I'll say it again.....
Solomon & Tarrant wont win you a premiership.

Premiership teams usually contain 2-3 Elite players of which
Freo has 1 in Pavlich and that's it. Build your team around him
with youth and develop your future champions.

Mate worry about your own premierships. 1990 wasn't it, first one in 32 years !!

 

[theGav56]

Gutless Graham isn't even close to Tarrant. Tarrant actually has a bit of heart, plays in the forward and works hard off the ball. Polak drifts around lose man in defense for a team that has won one game for the season.

Polak would fit well into your gameplan

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=355931

 

[FootyEater]

Polak would fit well into your gameplan

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=355931

im fair to certain that harvey will be bringing a tough accountable hard game plan to freo next year, and that would not suit polak well at all

 

[dominguez]

McPhee wasn't in the Headland deal.

Holland and Sinclair are hardly world beaters.

Polak being better than Tarrant in 2008 is laughable. Seriously. Tarrant is still one of the elite forwards going around... Polak will never be an elite forward, or an elite key defender for that matter.

if you line up all the players we have got from trades against all the players we have lost... from 2000 onwards, i'm confident it stacks up pretty well.

McPhee was part of the Headland deal. Brisbane wanted a midfielder to replace Des so we sent McPhee to Essendon, Brisbanes sent Cupido to the bombers, and Essendon sent Caracella to the lions. We also parted with picks 3 and 19.

Holland and Sinclair aren't superstars, but have gone on to be handy contributors for their respective clubs.

It's possible that Polak will be better than Tarrant next year. Polak will probably go closer to winning a B&F this year.

A lot of our trades since 2000 have been good, but when we have gone after the big names like Croad, Tarrant and Headland we have got burnt IMO.

 

[nesski47]

I've said it before & I'll say it again.....
Solomon & Tarrant wont win you a premiership.

Premiership teams usually contain 2-3 Elite players of which
Freo has 1 in Pavlich and that's it. Build your team around him
with youth and develop your future champions.

I'm not sure a collingwood supporter should be dishing out advice on how to or what will win premierships!

 

[theGav56]

It's possible that Polak will be better than Tarrant next year. Polak will probably go closer to winning a B&F this year.

A lot of our trades since 2000 have been good, but when we have gone after the big names like Croad, Tarrant and Headland we have got burnt IMO.

I suppose if Tarrant gets a serious injury and Polak plays the whole season next year, then it is possible. If a loose man in defense wins the B&F it says a heap about the team. But regardless, Polak was leaving via the PSD after a heap of lacklustre games for us, and refusing to alter his attitude. I would struggle to fit him into our team at any stage apart from as a pinch-hitting ruckman, and even then I have a lot of respect for what Gilmore has done for us this year.

I don't think recruiting Bell and J Carr, both "big names" have hurt us at all. That you've decided Tarrant's recuitment was not a successs ays more about your fixed, pre-conceived notions than reflecting what effect the trade has actually had. Headland, Bell, Tarrant, MacPharlin, Solomon and J Carr would make up a fair proportion of our best 10 for the year. Polak and Medhurst would feature in the WAFL.

 

[FootyEater]

McPhee was part of the Headland deal. Brisbane wanted a midfielder to replace Des so we sent McPhee to Essendon, Brisbanes sent Cupido to the bombers, and Essendon sent Caracella to the lions. We also parted with picks 3 and 19.

Holland and Sinclair aren't superstars, but have gone on to be handy contributors for their respective clubs.

It's possible that Polak will be better than Tarrant next year. Polak will probably go closer to winning a B&F this year.

A lot of our trades since 2000 have been good, but when we have gone after the big names like Croad, Tarrant and Headland we have got burnt IMO.

I agree with headland and croad. but picks and medhurst for taz was a good trade. medhurst will be delisted by collingwood at the end of next year