Deduct Premiership Points for Cheats

[InTheBack!]

At the moment when clubs weigh up wether to cheat the salary cap level, the benefits far outweigh the penalties.

If a club retains or raids players it wants to - who cares about a few draft picks or fines, esp if you are a richer club. Did Melbourne care really, after all they got to KEEP Jeff White. Did Melbourne supporters really care? They got to see Jeff White play a hand in many Demons wins - which would not make them very upset about the salary cap infringement at all.

However what club administrator would dare to infringe if precious premiership points were deducted.

For example club x goes $200,000 over the cap. This was discovered during the off season. Say they had a ratio of 4 points deducted for each $100,000. That would mean that club x starts the new season with -8 points.

If infringement is discovered during the season, the points are deducted on the spot.

Also normal fines & draft exculsions apply.

Now if the club x finished last or near enough because of the penalties, they would also be stripped of all draft pick that would normally flow to the wooden spooners.

Each subsequent year the club x infringed the ratio of points deducted to dollar would increase - to discourage repeat performances.

Now - you tell me a club administrator that would be willing to risk the wrath of supporters when it hits them where it really hurts.

Advantages

1. Clear & transparent. Set rules for everyone. No more whining btwn Carlton & Essendon about who is worse than who.

2. Penalties that will bring on the lynching of club administrators if for example a club fails to make the finals for the 1st time on 20 years because of points deducted.

3. Discourage poaching of players with excessive payments.

Come on AFL - get to it.

 

[Pessimistic]

The fine money goes into a central fund and is distributed as 'profit' equally to all the clubs anyway. After a few years it will all equal out.

The same goes for 'player' fines. In effect players who 'offend' are taking a pay cut from the clubs collectively for doing exactly what the clubs are telleing them to do in private (go in hard)

Why not reward the 'fairest' players by collating all the 'penalty' points - award the collected money to the 'fairest' team for the year and allow the players to spend it on 'amenities' (not divvy up) such as end of season trips, training equipment (or even charity of their choice)

 

[InTheBack!]

what I am saying that not all things are equal - sure the fines are distributed, but what about the club that attracts a big name player, only by going over the cap? As I said the club would not care a fig once they have that player & the club the player came from might have some money, but not the player thay wanted to keep.

 

[Rooboy 96]

You would have to also say that when deciding their ladder position for the draft that the points deducted are now included... no benefit should be gained at all...

I hate cheats..... so far we have Melbourne Essendon and Carlton... who will be next???

 

[JUBJUB]

If you deduct premiership points for salary cap cheats,Richmond would still miss the eight even if they didn't cheat -lol.

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[walshy1993]

rooboy werent nth melb over in 93????

 

[Rooboy 96]

Walshy... you are not being slanderous again are you???

ok Walshy you said it you prove it...

 

[CQ]

well i dont see how it would deter essendon i think theyd make the eight easily anyway.

 

[InTheBack!]

Hi CQ,

Mabye basd on last year yes Esendon would - in a "normal" year mabye not.

In any case I dont think too many supporters would be forgiving of any deduction of points no matter what the circumstances & thus club administrators would think twice about breaching the cap.

Also if penalties were increased for each year, a repeat offender would quicky find themselves down the toilet.

 

[RICE80SF]

Rooboy don't go there mate.

Amnesty: the act of an authority (in this case the AFL) by which pardon for an illegal act is granted to a large group of individuals.

Did the Roos take advantage of the Amnesty or did they not?

"Let those who have not sinned throw the first stone" - Jesus Christ

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I've got no problem with much stiffer penalties but lets get it ALL on the table, that includes all those who took part in the amnesty. Then lets start a fresh.

Cheers.

[This message has been edited by RICE80SF (edited 03 November 2000).]

 

[Shinboners]

Rice80SF

The problem is that it'll be the third time that we've had to start afresh. Clubs will cheat the cap in whatever way they can. But I do like InTheBack's idea of deducting premiership points. The only weakness is that you could have rougue club administrator who arranges the "over-payments" (as is allegedly what happened with Essendon and Melbourne) causing a penalty to the players and fans of that club. As hilarious the thought of Carlton missing out on finals action by 4 precious premiership points dedcuted from them is, well, I'd hate to see any fan being put through that sort of anguish.

 

[CJH]

Shinboner,

That is the only reason left that Richmond haven't yet used to miss the finals

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[Bitch]

Deducting premiership points will not only hurt the club it will hurt those who don't deserve to be punished - the supporters.
Imagine how you would feel if your club missed out on a spot in the finals because of "fiddling" by the administrators. How impressed would you be? It's bad enough when you lose a final. It might hurt but at least you can accept it. Do you think you'd be able to accept it if you missed out because of an admin bungle? And please don't tell me I am saying this because I am a Carlton supporter. All clubs cheat the salary cap. If they say they don't then they are liars.
Not a good idea guys.

 

[Shinboners]

CJH

Well, even though Richmond is the only club that comes even close to my hatred of Collingwood....um....all I can say is keep the faith. Your day will surely come (in which case you'll find me hiding in my room, in bed, under the blankets, music turned up loud, and well away from the infamous Tiger Roar).

 

[BigHawk]

Deducting of points seems to work in other sports. I think this has plenty of merit as long as the EFFECTIVE start date is clearly stated and no excuses can arise thereafter. Minimun loss should include eight premiership points and # draft picks. Harsher penalties to apply for repeat offenders (disregarding cheats prior to THE effective start date).

The AFL has to get serious on this matter. If they DO NOT draw up a policy, the continued ridicule will do nothing for the game. In this day of supposed professionalism and corporatisation, mugs like Elliot are not uncommon.

 

[Shinboners]

Big Hawk

In what other sports has the deducting of points worked?

 

[goatmaster]

I think in the back has a damn good idea there. The only penalty clubs will understand is points & the success it brings. The pain of the supporters is an advantage because that would make any administrator nervous about getting caught - rather than the current attitude of everybody does it.
As for clarity & transparency - it needs to be at more than just the salary cap. The tribunal should look at the NRL system that has fixed points penalties for given offences & meaningful & clear advantages for pleading guilty. No more of the increasingly pathetic defences (blinded by the lights at colonial) & human motion experts showing how what the video shows clearly actually didn't happen.
Every time a player is suspended now the appeal process is started even for the blanantly guilty.
Shinboners - cricket at shield & county level & soccer are 2 sports that have points penalties not for money offences but for other offences.