Game Day Dees vs. Hawks

[demonfan9]

That's true. I suppose we can only hope that our coaching group are on top of things. We've got twice the number of coaches as last year, so hopefully we can be more innovative and "up with the times" as far as the tactical stuff goes.

 

[bing181]

Bail (maybe)
Bate (maybe)
Bennell (maybe)
Couch (no)
Davis (no)
Dunn (no)
Fitzpatrick (no)
Magner (maybe)
Nicholson (no)
Tynan (no)

Dunn will play - Neeld singled him out in his post-match comments. Not always pretty, but always bobs up for a goal or two. Whether he'd get a game in a better side is different discussion, but for the moment, hard to see whose place he's taking.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see Davis playing. It's not going to be his job to take the main gorilla forwards each week like he did last night, and he's been useful over the previous matches. Good learning experience.

 

[SPC 98]

Teams have been working out how to beat the forward press over the last couple of years. By the time it takes us to master it, it's going to be out dated. Bailey tried to copy Geelong and now Neeld is copying Collingwood. I hope he knows what he is doing.

The major difference is Bailey was a philosopher and relied on relationship building, Neeld is a Hard A@$e and uses fear to motivate... It was nice after the game to hear disappointment in his voice, as this used to frustrate me with Bailey's 'half glass full' press conferences.

After watching the weekends footy, it is now clear that the 'easy beats' have worked hard over the pre-season and look stronger, so the Dees may not find too many soft rounds. I would not expect Brisbane to be a walkover round 1 and the Dees if they are not careful, could find themselves 0-11 up until the bye round.

Hope i'm wrong, but we do still look the side to buckle first when the heat of the battle warms up and unfortunately sides know we are mentally fickle and we have done nothing over the past 5 years to disprove this.

Hope everyone is realistic about the season to come, because we still have a long way to go!

 

[CowboyFromHell]

The major difference is Bailey was a philosopher and relied on relationship building, Neeld is a Hard A@$e and uses fear to motivate... It was nice after the game to hear disappointment in his voice, as this used to frustrate me with Bailey's 'half glass full' press conferences.

After watching the weekends footy, it is now clear that the 'easy beats' have worked hard over the pre-season and look stronger, so the Dees may not find too many soft rounds. I would not expect Brisbane to be a walkover round 1 and the Dees if they are not careful, could find themselves 0-11 up until the bye round.

Hope i'm wrong, but we do still look the side to buckle first when the heat of the battle warms up and unfortunately sides know we are mentally fickle and we have done nothing over the past 5 years to disprove this.

Hope everyone is realistic about the season to come, because we still have a long way to go!

You actually think there is the possibility we won't win a game before the bye? And you are trying to talk about being realistic? Turn it up.

 

[Devastating Boris]

Not sure if it's been mentioned previously but I was pretty happy with Rivers' game. He did some good things when came on.

 

[wowlace]

We will win round one. Clark to kick 5.

 

[demonfan9]

Dunn will play - Neeld singled him out in his post-match comments. Not always pretty, but always bobs up for a goal or two. Whether he'd get a game in a better side is different discussion, but for the moment, hard to see whose place he's taking.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see Davis playing. It's not going to be his job to take the main gorilla forwards each week like he did last night, and he's been useful over the previous matches. Good learning experience.

I haven't heard Neeld's comments on Dunn, so I'll have to take your word for it. I would have thought Clark, Watts, Howe, Green and Petterd are ahead of him as tall/medium sized forward options, but we'll see how it pans out.

I can't agree with you on Davis. He is easily behind Frawley, Garland, Sellar and Rivers as key defenders, with Grimes, Bartram and Bennell the smaller options. He showed on Saturday night that he is not ready for a regular senior gig IMO. I will be very surprised if he plays Round 1.

 

[demonfan9]

I would not expect Brisbane to be a walkover round 1 and the Dees if they are not careful, could find themselves 0-11 up until the bye round.

Surely you're taking the piss.

 

[SPC 98]

Surely you're taking the piss.

BRISBANE LIONS (MCG)
WEST COAST EAGLES (Patterson)
RICHMOND (MCG)
WESTERN BULLDOGS (MCG)
ST KILDA (MCG)
GEELONG CATS (SIMONDS)
HAWTHORN (MCG)
SYDNEY SWANS (SCG)
CARLTON (MCG)
ESSENDON (MCG)
COLLINGWOOD (MCG)
BYE

You tell me on current form how many of these we should win....

 

[CowboyFromHell]

BRISBANE LIONS (MCG)
WEST COAST EAGLES (Patterson)
RICHMOND (MCG)
WESTERN BULLDOGS (MCG)
ST KILDA (MCG)
GEELONG CATS (SIMONDS)
HAWTHORN (MCG)
SYDNEY SWANS (SCG)
CARLTON (MCG)
ESSENDON (MCG)
COLLINGWOOD (MCG)
BYE

You tell me on current form how many of these we should win....

Should win? Brisbane, Richmond, Essendon, Collingwood (well, you did say on current form...) with possibles against the Dogs and Saints. Eagles, Geelong, Hawthorn, Carlton are ones you wouldn't expect us to win.

You would go in to at least half of those games with the belief that we have the cattle and ability to win them. I am not suggesting we won't find some of those games difficult but there is not chance in hell we will go 0-11. We didn't do that in our worst year in 2008. We are a far better side than what we were then so it just won't happen.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Just want to also add to the above that I'd be happy if we were around the 4-7 mark up to the bye. We have some tough games there, no doubt.

But then after that we get two games against GWS, and we also play the Suns, North, Port Adelaide and Adelaide as well who won't be as tough to beat and we can have a strong run home.

I don't think we can truly expect finals this year but I think anything below the 9 win mark is a failure for us this year.

 

[Djcjdees]

Just want to also add to the above that I'd be happy if we were around the 4-7 mark up to the bye. We have some tough games there, no doubt.

But then after that we get two games against GWS, and we also play the Suns, North, Port Adelaide and Adelaide as well who won't be as tough to beat and we can have a strong run home.

I don't think we can truly expect finals this year but I think anything below the 9 win mark is a failure for us this year.

Totally agree on 4-7. That's why the first two games are imperative. We really should be beating teams like Brisbane and Richmond if we want to play finals. Then hopefully if we can sneak a win or two against any of the Victorian sides we usually lose against. If we can be on 4 or so wins after the first 11 games o think we'll go close to making finals but agree we need to be winning more games than last year in any case. Just keep improving boys

 

[Quackers]

Worst thing about yesterday was watching Martin for the tigers how recruiting has been average at best. I love trengove but Scully jumped ship and Martin is the best of the three by a mile at the moment. Watts also has a lot more improvement needed to justify the 1st pick but time will tell.

Couldn't agree more. Could add Darling to that list because he is so far ahead of Cook that it's not Funny. Good thing we sack our recruitment Manager .... Only decent pick up was Jurrah and now it seems he could be in the outer.

 

[demonfan9]

You tell me on current form how many of these we should win....

On current form? You're making it sound like we're a hopeless rabble. Sure we had a bad loss on the weekend against one of our bogey sides (and one of the premiership favourites), but the previous week we comfortably knocked off Collingwood and prior to that we broke even away to the two Queensland teams.

We have a chance to win 5-7 of those games.

 

[SuburbanMe]

Cheers SuburbanMe for looking after me in Cairns when the missus wouldn't have a bar of the footy! She lucked out, was hard to watch.

No Probs Mate, Was a good arvo! Hope you had a ripper at the Party.

Remember to stay optimistic!

 

[proka123]

BRISBANE LIONS (MCG)
WEST COAST EAGLES (Patterson)
RICHMOND (MCG)
WESTERN BULLDOGS (MCG)
ST KILDA (MCG)
GEELONG CATS (SIMONDS)
HAWTHORN (MCG)
SYDNEY SWANS (SCG)
CARLTON (MCG)
ESSENDON (MCG)
COLLINGWOOD (MCG)
BYE

You tell me on current form how many of these we should win....

Dude, we had 1 bad loss, against a top 4 team in the NAB cup. Farms shall be calmed...

 

[SPC 98]

Dude, we had 1 bad loss, against a top 4 team in the NAB cup. Farms shall be calmed...

Look i hope i'm wrong... Would be more than happy to be 5 and 6!

Just feel that sides like Richmond and Brisbane (which most presume are a lock-in win) have shown improvement, and some of our young talented draft picks haven't taken the next step.

I am however, hoping to cop a spray from all the b/f boys at the mid year break when we are burning it up on the field....

 

[the_boot_of_gum]

Gday guys, yet to see a kick this year with the new TV rights. Just wondering if someone could give me an update on how Mark Jamar and jordie McKenzie are tracking this year in comparison to their other pre - seasons. thanks

 

[Higgs Boson]

Was chip rested in the 2nd half?

Yes. Big impact on final result. One reason why you never take NAB Cup too seriously.

On current form? You're making it sound like we're a hopeless rabble. Sure we had a bad loss on the weekend against one of our bogey sides (and one of the premiership favourites), but the previous week we comfortably knocked off Collingwood and prior to that we broke even away to the two Queensland teams.

We have a chance to win 5-7 of those games.

Good call.

I expected the naysayers would be out in force, but this thread is not too bad.

We played a team who, I think, will win the flag this year.

After getting smashed for most of the first quarter with the Hawks occupying the corridor in direct contrast to our new game plan around the boundary, Neeld adjusted things and the second quarter was pretty good. Intensity still 100% greater than last year. Last year, we'd have been 80 points down at half time.

Howe very good. Watts did a bit. You need to remember, we got a bit unlucky with some misses (see Davey) and they got a bit lucky (see Franklin's first - he's a freak, but even he couldn't kick those each week. Don't even get me started re the next goal). Umpires were appalling too towards Melbourne (to the extent that a neutral rang me last night just to say that very thing).

But it was the intensity that I like - despite the margin of the loss - far better than last year. And I think we kept it up, despite being outclassed.

It blew out a fair bit at the end, but much of that was Frawley out, and general tiredness by a young side against a side at the peak of its form.

Let's wait til Round 6 to push the panic button. Real games, no Mickey Mouse rules (that punish a boundary line style game, coincedentally). Personally, I saw some good signs; add that to last week and I'm pretty content.

After all, it's only the freakin the NAB Cup.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Good summary Higgs. I think taking one win from those 2 games is a good sign for us. The Hawks will cut up many, many teams this year. It's also good for Neeld to see this side of us in a game - and he wasn't happy either.

 

[Djcjdees]

Gday guys, yet to see a kick this year with the new TV rights. Just wondering if someone could give me an update on how Mark Jamar and jordie McKenzie are tracking this year in comparison to their other pre - seasons. thanks

Sounds like a supercoach question to me