Delta Goodrem

[Frodo]

Originally posted by Asgardian
BB, I'd say that the bands I listed have not travelled through time well, whereas bands such as the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Who, JH & the Experience etc., created music AND mood AND style which has left them almost immortal.

Part of that immortality is because they appealed to a wide audience, the bands I listed mainly appealed to a narrow cross section of the more fanatic music connoisseur, hence an even smaller fan base some 30 odd years later.

Your comment about them being relatively unknown though, is a challenge to educate I cannot pass by.

Velvet Underground - A street savvy, hard edged Lou Reed focussing on the life, times and demimonde of New York. John Cale lets his avant-garde classical roots temper some of VU's rougher edges. Nico was an alluring beauty, who could whisper lyrics, or murmur them, always seemingly artfully. Sterling Morrison's guitar work was representative of the step between folk strumming, and punk thrashing. While Maureen Tucker had a beat that never dominated, but always supported the music.

Capt. Beefheart & his Magic Band - Don Van Vliet worked with talents such as Ry Cooder & Frank Zappa, to create an influence that pervades 1960's music and beyond. He didn't create hits, he created an attitude & style.

King Crimson - Yes Robert Fripp dominated, but he was smart enough to allow others to contribute, AND shine. Side-men like Lake, Belew, Cross, Wetton, Burrell, Bruford, Levin & Muir wont stand aside without having an influence. Unashamedly King Crimson is one of my favourites.

Stooges - You may not like them, but by hell the rock'n'roll world could never ignore them. To me Iggy Pop has been an institution rather than a musician. Listen to their albums, prepare to be confronted, maybe even assulted.

Big Brother & the Holding Company - Not knowing about this group of drugged up hippies, is like admitting to not knowing who Neil Armstrong is. This is all about Janis Joplin, she dominates here, just as her persona still dominates female rock'n'roll musicians today.

Spirit - Yes, Spirit is obscure, but don't discount them because of this. In the very VERY early days, Randy California (Spirits lead guitarist) jammed and played with Jimi Hendrix, whose influences on Randy are ever so noticable. Do yourself a favour, get "The 12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus", it's a tightly held together experimental album, it's "out there", it's rough, it's a challenge, not for everyone though.

Jefferson Airplane (NOT Jefferson Starship) - Yep, they were flower power drugged up hippies, but by hell they could put together one hell of a sound, Try out Volunteers, Surrealistic Pillow and After Bathing At Baxter's. All magical experiences from the 60's Woodstock'ish times.

Country Joe & the Fish - This band had so much influence, not because of its music, but because what they did with it. Joining with Jane Fonda on a revue called FTA (Fu.. The Army), initiating the F..U..C..(you know what comes next) chant used in anti war rallys, concerts etc.. Dismiss them as musicians, MAYBE, but never ignore them as a "happening" and an influence.

The Flatlanders - Only for lovers of serious country music, just the one album, the band practically only lasting the studio time needed. But by hell, the outcome lives on blazing brightly.

Kapt. Kopter & his Fabulous Twirleybirds - A one album invention of the previously mention Randy California. This album belts at you, reminiscent of some of Blackmore's Rainbow.

Tangerine Dream - This group makes me think of say King Crimson's love child. Certainly not for everyone, but I like it.

Hope this gives some useful info, maybe inspiring you to try some different flavours of music....

Well you sure educated me Chris, I had never heard of one of them

 

[Destructive]

Originally posted by otaku
Umm, are we talking about the same person here?

the wanna be,talentless ex soapie "actor"?

Get a life you loser.

Delta is a beautiful talented young lady. Not a bad actress either.
Pretty good AFL player as well. She kicked a nice goal in a celebrity game a few weeks back. She will make it through this.

 

[cornelia]

Originally posted by Destructive
Get a life you loser.

Delta is a beautiful talented young lady. Not a bad actress either.
Pretty good AFL player as well. She kicked a nice goal in a celebrity game a few weeks back. She will make it through this.

Don't get upset Destructive, this person seems to have a problem with women, the majority of his posts are abusing & trying to belittle women, maybe he has been rejected one too many times.

Although, it is very sad that he has to spew forth his hatred, in a post about a young girl who is about to go through something all of us hope we, or our loved ones never have to.

 

[The Legend]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
Talent or product? Or don't you know the difference?

She's both talent AND product. The fact that she was being approached by music execs for two years before Neighbours says something about her already (unlike Holly). She also refused to go down the same image path as Holly. I'm NOT a fan of her music (I prefer way alternative stuff), but being a fan of music I have to admire her package-but I aint buying it.

She's young, I hope she gets well and Jude can get back to boning her

 

[Milkman]

Since when do music industry execs know anything about music?

 

[Katthawk]

It's very sad because she is young and very beautiful and obviously talented.

I just hope that all this sadness and hope for her overcoming such an illness is just as well directed to those who are not in the public eye.

Call me a tall poppy chopper if you wish, however, I have enough years in my life and seen enough people who are as 'good' as she is yet never get the instant help she is granted.

She will come good if fate grants it. Just the same as with everyone else.

I wish her well as I wish my father who has also been diagnosed with cancer. The difference is that none of you know about him.

No, I am not trawling for sympathy etc. I simply reveal a relevant point of ordinary life which escapes a lot of people when they compare 'celebrities' and 'ordinary' people.

If you don't understand what I am talking about, you will 'get it' one day.

 

[Milkman]

Unfortunately I already do understand. I also have people close to me fighting cancer. Best of luck to your dad.

 

[Katthawk]

Thanks. I mean it.

His cancer is very treatable. and is probably not life threatening but the point remains.

He is close to me and to all in my family, whereas I don't have the same feelings for someone I have never met.

I can be so goddamn selfish.

I don't disregard anyone else's problems just my own happen to be enough.

Good luck to you all.

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by Katthawk
It's very sad because she is young and very beautiful and obviously talented.

I just hope that all this sadness and hope for her overcoming such an illness is just as well directed to those who are not in the public eye.

Call me a tall poppy chopper if you wish, however, I have enough years in my life and seen enough people who are as 'good' as she is yet never get the instant help she is granted.

She will come good if fate grants it. Just the same as with everyone else.

I wish her well as I wish my father who has also been diagnosed with cancer. The difference is that none of you know about him.

No, I am not trawling for sympathy etc. I simply reveal a relevant point of ordinary life which escapes a lot of people when they compare 'celebrities' and 'ordinary' people.

If you don't understand what I am talking about, you will 'get it' one day.

Spot on. There are thousands out there going through the same thing. At the end of the day however, having a publicity machine behind you won't count for a damn thing.

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by The Legend
She's both talent AND product. The fact that she was being approached by music execs for two years before Neighbours says something about her already (unlike Holly). She also refused to go down the same image path as Holly. I'm NOT a fan of her music (I prefer way alternative stuff), but being a fan of music I have to admire her package-but I aint buying it.

She's young, I hope she gets well and Jude can get back to boning her

Just because the music execs chased her doesn't necessarily mean she is talented. Music execs look for a product - talent takes a back seat.

Would she have been approached by these music execs if she was ugly?

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Destructive
Get a life you loser.

Delta is a beautiful talented young lady. Not a bad actress either.
Pretty good AFL player as well. She kicked a nice goal in a celebrity game a few weeks back. She will make it through this.

Calm down , boy.

If you read the posts before hand, i made a mention of the fact that i hope she gets well. I still think she is talentless and a crap musician, and you are just a sucker for a good publicity machine.

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by cornelia
Don't get upset Destructive, this person seems to have a problem with women, the majority of his posts are abusing & trying to belittle women, maybe he has been rejected one too many times.

Although, it is very sad that he has to spew forth his hatred, in a post about a young girl who is about to go through something all of us hope we, or our loved ones never have to.

Hmm, either you are mantis, or you are reading too many of her posts. I have never tried to belittle women. I make fun of stupidity, no matter what form it comes in. If you see that as making fun of women as a group, that is your right to be petty and narrow minded.

Again, i have made mention of her lack of talent. Not once have i wished her harm, unlike some people wishing harm on others on this forum.

Now, either read what i write and respond to that, or just stop spouting inanities. You merely demonstrate my point for me.

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Asgardian
Otaku being rude or not is a matter of interpretation, not bare arsed fact.

IF he was being rude, my guess is that he does not suffer fools gladly.

and my word, doesn't BigFooty have an over-representation of fools!!!!!!

aww i feel all warm and mushy now

 

[Bomber12]

Originally posted by otaku
Calm down , boy.

If you read the posts before hand, i made a mention of the fact that i hope she gets well. I still think she is talentless and a crap musician, and you are just a sucker for a good publicity machine.

Tell me why you believe she is talentless and a crap musician?? and then name a talented musician!!

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Bomber12
Tell me why you believe she is talentless and a crap musician?? and then name a talented musician!!

massed produced, over commercialised.

admitdly she writes some of her own songs, but they are still formulaic. her lyrics are juvenile and monotonous


She plays piano, badly.

A talented musician :

where to start?

lets go with the more well known ones

1)Jimi Henrix
2)Bob Dylan (for his songwriting, not his vocals)
3)David Gilmore
4)David bowie
5)Janis Joplin
6)Roberta Flack

want me to keep goin?

ok how about more recent musicians

1)Anthony Keidis
2)Daron Malkian (Songwriter from System of a Down)
3)Beth Gibbons (singer frmo portishead)
4)Tom Morello/Zach De la Rocha (R.A.T.M)

want me to keep going?

There are many many good muso's out there. Dont get fooled by a good publicity machine into thinking that her music is good.

 

[Milkman]

Talent rarely infiltrates the top ten these days. They are all singing models.

 

[The Legend]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
Just because the music execs chased her doesn't necessarily mean she is talented. Music execs look for a product - talent takes a back seat.

Would she have been approached by these music execs if she was ugly?

It sounds like we both agree that her music isn't for you or I, but I need to disagree on a couple of points.

Firstly, music execs (or A&R people) are waving cheque-books/drugs at musos of a highly diverse nature every minute of every day. The fact that there was two-three years before product was seen from her must indicate that either, Mum and Dad are really shrewd and have alot of input into the business, or companies were prepared to sink "development" money into the project to see how things would pan out (good A&R tax write-off).

Some music execs and A&R folks are shonky beyond all sleazy comparisons and its true, they wanna see the money. But first they need to be convinced that whatever they're signing up has some raw ability at least. Ultimately, they are looking for a product (that's what the business of a major record label is about these days).

Secondly, while her "talent" is packaged as dreadfully as it is, I need to suggest that playing piano AND singing in a higher and melodic tune (whilst in tempo) is no easy thing to do (possibly requiring talent). Is this one of your attributes? I've played a variety of instruments in a variety of bands over 15 years-and its still easy to skip a beat.


Thirdly, she could have easily been approached by companies if she was ugly, below (in no particular order of ugliness) is a list of "Woofers" guaranteed to make you go flaccid-feel free to add to it if that's your thing.

-K.D. Laing
-Alannis Morrisette
-The chick from George
-P.J. Harvey
-Nana Mouskouri (sorry, I couldn't help it).
-Courtney Love

That's just for starters.

As I said, I prefer non-mainstream music (alternative music is dead-killed off by JJJ and major record companies) to Delta's pop ballads anyday.

 

[Lensen]

More "I'm better than you because I'm SO underground and alternative and you're just a trend-follower" bull****.

 

[Slax]

It's funny how someone who is supposedly so good an actress and musican has to flog her story of how sick she is.

From what I have heard it is very early stages. There is a much better Australian actress who is much sicker with cancer than Delta and thankfully her partner has kept it very private (not bad considering his profile either).

Delta will recover and recover quickly she will sell out and be washed up is 5 years do a musical with Jason Donovan and Craig McGlauchlan (however you spell the duds name)

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by The Legend

Is this one of your attributes? I've played a variety of instruments in a variety of bands over 15 years-and its still easy to skip a beat.

What does this have to do with me? That old chestnut is a copout.

A lot of these mass-produced 'artists' lack real talent. Sure they can sing and play an instrament, but I have mates who can do that - well. The difference between talent and real talent is that people with real talent create (invent) their own music.

A lot of these video hits stars are talented compared to you and me, but in context they seriously lack talent. They're not talented if you compare them to, say John Lennon, Beethoven, Michael Jackson etc.

Thirdly, she could have easily been approached by companies if she was ugly, below (in no particular order of ugliness) is a list of "Woofers" guaranteed to make you go flaccid-feel free to add to it if that's your thing.

-K.D. Laing
-Alannis Morrisette
-The chick from George
-P.J. Harvey
-Nana Mouskouri (sorry, I couldn't help it).
-Courtney Love

Firstly, the people you mention are a rarity. Secondly, the people you mention aren't really in the Delta Goodrem mould.

For every Laing, Chapman and Gray there are 10 Britneys, Shakiras, and Spice Girls. Delta Goodram is a produced artist. I doubt she has the talent to create stuff without the help of a bunch of record people who have a stake in the profits.

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by The Legend
Thirdly, she could have easily been approached by companies if she was ugly,

Get your hand off it.

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by L-Nizzy
More "I'm better than you because I'm SO underground and alternative and you're just a trend-follower" bull****.

Nope, simpy saying D.G makes ****ehouse, mass produced, monotonous and repetative songs.

Much prefer to listen to music that has some feeling to it, rather than the pap that is fed to people like you.

 

[Destructive]

Originally posted by otaku
Calm down , boy.

If you read the posts before hand, i made a mention of the fact that i hope she gets well. I still think she is talentless and a crap musician, and you are just a sucker for a good publicity machine.

I'm not a sucker. Mrs Destructive got her album the day it came out. I have to admit, it's better than Kylie and Holly and all the other Soapie stars albums that have been put out.

 

[Milkman]

Originally posted by The Legend

Secondly, while her "talent" is packaged as dreadfully as it is, I need to suggest that playing piano AND singing in a higher and melodic tune (whilst in tempo) is no easy thing to do (possibly requiring talent). Is this one of your attributes? I've played a variety of instruments in a variety of bands over 15 years-and its still easy to skip a beat.


Thirdly, she could have easily been approached by companies if she was ugly, below (in no particular order of ugliness) is a list of "Woofers" guaranteed to make you go flaccid-feel free to add to it if that's your thing.

-K.D. Laing
-Alannis Morrisette
-The chick from George
-P.J. Harvey
-Nana Mouskouri (sorry, I couldn't help it).
-Courtney Love

That's just for starters.

As I said, I prefer non-mainstream music (alternative music is dead-killed off by JJJ and major record companies) to Delta's pop ballads anyday.

Firstly playing piano and singing at the same is something which thousands of people around Australia can do. Having been a working musician for 11 years, I can tell you that her talent in this area is average at best. The sort of music she plays, is the sort of music you would learn to play and write in your first or second year of piano lessons (provided you practice). Yes she has more talent than Holy and Kylie, but then again, so does almost every working musician i know. Her fame is certainly due to her looks. Those so called "ugly" musicians which you listed, are all in a different league, as far as talent goes compared to Delta. To compare Delta to somebody like KD Lang on a musical level is totally ludicrous. And KD Lang certainly is not my listening taste. None of them are actually. And Alanis ugly? did you not see her in "Sex in the City"?

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by g0tigers
and the fact that she writes all her own lyrics

hahaha, where'd you get that from?