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We're desperate for a bit of height in the midfield, and you want to trade Dodd? He's worth a lot more to us than he is at the trade table.
 
His star will have fully risen by then.

He will become a great player.

Seem to have right mix and attitude. 10% talent. 90% effort.
 
dugrene said:
His star will have fully risen by then.

He will become a great player.

Seem to have right mix and attitude. 10% talent. 90% effort.
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Too right! I see from a thread on DL that Gilmore is a required player once he sorts out a few things in his game and Woodsie is on thin ice because of his attitude.

Micheal Warren will be most likely promoted.

It could come down to a choice between Peake & Browne for the chop.

Who would you people prefer out of those two?

Hard choices coming up I think.
 
For me, I'd keep Peake (that is, if it was a choice between those two, but that seems a bit simplistic). But realistically the gap between them to me seems miniscule. Peake appears to have better goal sense but I had read reports which savaged his accuracy and decisionmaking. Kicking accuracy is the question mark for Browne.

I'd like to see a breakdown of the list into some different categories. Backs, mid and forwards of course. But also hieght and pace. It seems we have lacked a bit of hieght in the midfiled on occassions, esp with M Carr and Headland either being missing or at tomes (DH) missing in action. Those too add something to the flea brigade.

Also in the backline, which is impossible to really assess due to injuries this year, has lacked it's running rebound until Scahmmer went back.

Warren to me has value as an alternative/backup ruckman.

Harsh realities from my flawed and inexperienced point of view is Seigert, Woods and Gilmore look like they are behind the 8 ball. The heroic Macca may have run his race. And Dunn would be worth trading and worth keeping all at the same time.
 

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RIPPER_46 said:
It could come down to a choice between Peake & Browne for the chop.

Who would you people prefer out of those two?

Hard choices coming up I think.
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With , Mundy, Murphy, Peake, Haines, Crowley, Dodd all over 180 our team is becoming tall and quick.

Browne at 174cm, to go. I know he is in and under but I think we can cover that with Crowley, Murphy and Dodd. Peake I'm not sure is built to go in and under. But he has run... and lots of it.
 
We'd be happy to have the dealer and Duffield off your hands if you don't want them. I've seen Duffield a few times for Souths this year and he's been excellent - a lot stronger than last year and great kick. He's also on the tall side. I reckon he'll make a good AFL footballer and certainly ready by next season.
Browne has genuine pace and can find the ball but has had several hammies this season. At 21 I'd keep him ahead of Dylan Smith, Webster, Seigert.
 
big buddy38 said:
We'd be happy to have the dealer and Duffield off your hands if you don't want them. I've seen Duffield a few times for Souths this year and he's been excellent - a lot stronger than last year and great kick. He's also on the tall side. I reckon he'll make a good AFL footballer and certainly ready by next season.
Browne has genuine pace and can find the ball but has had several hammies this season. At 21 I'd keep him ahead of Dylan Smith, Webster, Seigert.
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I think your on the mark. Browne will be kept, as will Peake. Not so sure about Duffield.

Can anyone confirm whether or not McManus will become veteran listed. As this means we can retain an extra youngster because he no longer counts towards the 35 player maximum pre-draft.
 
Those comparative stats are interesting, and support Peake over Browne. But they would have played different roles and the club is playing a different style of football too. looks like Browne may have been tagging by his tackle count.

The telling one for me is accuracy towards goal where we know Browne has had some issues. Perhaps they have been worked on; perhaps it isn't his "go". It felt like such a waste when you'd see the team struggle to get shots on goal, and then see it in Browne's hands when he clearly lacked confidence.

Any players that will be gone seem to have a case to stay. Perhaps Woodsie has missed his opportunity, and not sure given his current WAFL form that he would get another shot. Seigert has a role to play if there is room on the list, but young blood that has "potential" can fill a similar role.

What I really want is some power and speed in the backline. I want Polak to be a dominant player at CHB. I want Haddril back and playing on a flank rather than FB. I want a fullback who matches FF's for size and strength. I want Johnson or Warren to be able to step up on the ruckmen/forwards (been a good start for Johnson). And I want the speed of Walker, Hayden and Thornton to light up from the backline to the forward line.

I want Parker to retire when he has taught them everything there is to know about playing tall and small.
 
Dodd and Second Chance add to the "mongrel" factor that has fallen sadly a lot of the time to Cookie.

Even though Coinnolly has said that Happy is required, he is tradable

With 3 to be cut and Second Chance to be elevated , 4 spots have to be created.

Happy, Splinter, Siegert, Browne, Smith(?) must be in the firing line.

If either Rabbit Warren or duffield are promoted then then it would mean 5 would need to be delisted/traded.
 
With the recent signing of Dunn and Johnson I've been looking at the situation a bit closer.

We will trade one of our players for a pick. Its that simple. Fremantle have put itself in such a position that it will either delist a player that has ability or someone will be traded.

The question becomes which player will we trade.
 

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rgauci said:
Fremantle have put itself in such a position that it will either delist a player that has ability or someone will be traded.
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Position surely thats a good position, one of the few blessings of this season. We have an idea of the quality of our depth amongst our young players on our list now and our deficiencies. I dont think we would have probably given the game time to some of these young guys otherwise. Now we know who will probably step up for us next year and put some pressure on our top 22.

I would think McManus will probably be a veteran if he doesnt retire\delisted. I think he needs to make room anyway we can even if we re-list him with a 5th round pick if we have one available. In preference to losing a young player like Happy or Browne who deserve time. Neither have done anything to be deserve to be delisted. McManus wont be picked up by anyone.

Woodsy seems destined to be delisted. Browne, Smith, Happy, Seigert are probably in the mix too as trade bait. Perhaps a mixture of them packaged together to get a high draft pick with all the extra picks likely to push us down the pecking order.

Its a delemma alright, nice position for once not to want to make any major changes.
 
McManus signed on last year until the end of 2006, so he's not going anywhere, he fought hard for that contract and will continue to fight hard to regain his position in the team. He will likely retire at the end of 2006.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Daniel Gilmore get traded to the bulldogs or Luke Webster to get picked up by the bombers.

I'd expect Dion Woods, Dylan Smith & Daniel Haines to get delisted.
 
fat wombat said:
McManus signed on last year until the end of 2006, so he's not going anywhere, he fought hard for that contract and will continue to fight hard to regain his position in the team. He will likely retire at the end of 2006.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Daniel Gilmore get traded to the bulldogs or Luke Webster to get picked up by the bombers.

I'd expect Dion Woods, Dylan Smith & Daniel Haines to get delisted.
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Your absolutely right. Thats most likely to happen. But thats where i see the problem. I hope freo doesn't give up one of its promising youngsters. Because they go cheap. The upside is definately with the club getting the player. They have massive room for improvement and they have given little to get them. A seemingly low risk investment. This is definately the case for Gilmore.

I would prefer Fremantle keep the youngsters than trade them. I find it interesting that Fremantle would sign Dunn before they signed Medhurst. Medhurst is probably our only 'high profile' player who hasn't signed for next year. By high profile i mean player who is currently considered in our best 22. Though i can't see him being traded, an indication will be if he's dropped for Farmer next week.

If Medhurst is dropped for Farmers return next week AND If the team succeeds without Medhurst the chance of him being traded would of increased greatly. But then again, thats a lot of if's.
 
rgauci said:
Your absolutely right. Thats most likely to happen. But thats where i see the problem. I hope freo doesn't give up one of its promising youngsters. Because they go cheap. The upside is definately with the club getting the player. They have massive room for improvement and they have given little to get them. A seemingly low risk investment. This is definately the case for Gilmore.

I would prefer Fremantle keep the youngsters than trade them. I find it interesting that Fremantle would sign Dunn before they signed Medhurst. Medhurst is probably our only 'high profile' player who hasn't signed for next year. By high profile i mean player who is currently considered in our best 22. Though i can't see him being traded, an indication will be if he's dropped for Farmer next week.

If Medhurst is dropped for Farmers return next week AND If the team succeeds without Medhurst the chance of him being traded would of increased greatly. But then again, thats a lot of if's.
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It would be nice to keep all the players currently on our list, but the reality is that 4-6 players have to be cut. The older players like Cook, Bell and Parker are quality required players, McManus is contracted, so it's going to have to be the younger guys who get cut. The fact that Gilmore has struggled to get a game considering our injuries indicates his position on the list is vulnerable.

If Medhurst is to be traded he will remain in the 22, because his value will drop if he is playing WAFL.
 
Scham said:
McManus is too proud to finish his AFL career with a full season in the twos.

He'll retire at seasons end for sure for sure.
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I agree.

I hate seeing players dribble into retirement. They must know when their time is up.

All in all, Macca has done alot for Freo.
 

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