Disastrous Recruiting decisions
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I reckon you nailed in the first post. In 1971, St Kilda played off in the GF - were in front at 3/4 time - only lost because a 'desperation' move paid off for the Hawks (Bob Keddie to Full-Forward - those moves hardly ever work).
In 1971, Ian Stewart won the Brownlow. For Richmond.
Richmond's was the 1980's recruiting war with Collingwood - they wound up with David Cloke and Geoff Raines - we got Craig Stewart and Phillip Walsh. Collingwood were our 'Reject Shop'.
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Dean Laidley as coach.Who chased Thompson and Hay as well as a colostomy bag full of crap in Picioane, Green, Shane Harvey instead of Davey, McKernan back from Carlton, Leigh Brown as part of the trade for the departing Pickett, the sickly McConnell from the Eagles, Mark Powell who never bothered to come over.
You guys have no idea how uplifting it is to be free of him.
What was the story with Powell? I know he ended up playing for a local team in Canberra after he left the roos. Anyone know what happened with him?
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That's the whole point of the thread. In 1970 we traded Stewart to Richmond for Barret. In 1971 we played in the GF, got beaten by 7 points, Barret didn't play for us whilst Stewart won the Brownlow with Richmond.
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What are you on about? Justin Longmuir was a very good player.
139 games and 166 goals by the age of 26 and would have been many, many more if his knee hadn't disintegrated and forced him to into an early retirement.
Are you sure you're not getting him confused with his brother?
You believe wrong. We never gave you the pick to get Lloyd - it was a compensation pick handed out by the AFL. Surely everybody knows that by now.
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maybe, maybe not. But i don't think it was a disaster NOT to pick up cousins. he was a gamble that has paid off OK for the tigers (after that hammy injury in round 1) but it's not a DISASTER to have not picked him.
Ian stewart really stands out for mine still at the saints 40 years on.
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some of you blokes are showing how young you are..... havent read all the posts but has anyone mentioned....
1 - 2X Norm smith medalist, 2X premiership player, all australian, club champion, 300+ games A MCLEOD for Chris Groom - Thanx FREO
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2 - which club traded a future 2X premiership captain to Geelong...PORT
Which club wantonly ignored Andrew McKay for Mark Viska? Every club has 'em.
All-time worldwide candidate has to be England striker Alan Shearer. Trialled with a bunch of local boys in the Newcastle catchment as a goalkeeper at age 15. Told he wouldn't make it. Two years later he's scoring a hattrick for Southampton vs Arsenal. 10 years after rejection he's bought by his boyhood heroes for a world record £16 million.
Makes the likes of Harley and Peter Bell look like sound business.
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Sorry, you clearly missed my earlier post where I mentioned I was only looking at first round draft picks...
And where I mentioned that we had done very well with our later picks.
And it was obviously some master plan to recruit rubbish and then trade it to Wallace for better players. Face it. Recruiting McMahon, Power and Walsh cost us big time, as none of them delivered. For first round draft picks, they were poor selections.....
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Do a tour of Subiaco. Its hanging from a plaque in the ****ing rooms. Says he did it in 2006 and according to Rosa no one could believe there eyes. Reckon he sprinted at top pace for a good 5 minutes
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When you look at some of the players who went after him, it's almost enough to make one cry.....
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=1997&t=N&s=P
He was never committed to football, thought a change of scenery would get him motivated but after the trade he decided not to move across. We didn't trade anything of significant value for him but was the icing on the cake of just poor decision making and lack of homework on players in terms of recycled players.
I think he decided not to go because his girlfriend didn't want to move or something lame like that. Don't know what he has done since, probably not much at all.
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Richmond fans with a long memory...look away now !!
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Pitura only cost:
Graham Teasdale (Brownlow medalllist for us 2 yrs later)
Brian Roberts (nothing for us after an argument with Ian Stewart preseason.. but was 5th in the brownlow the yr before for the tiges..so they kinda gave him away)
Francis Jackson (100 games for us).
Pitura did nothing for the tiges and drove back up the highway 2 yrs later.
Graham Teasdale (Brownlow medalllist for us 2 yrs later)
Brian Roberts (nothing for us after an argument with Ian Stewart preseason.. but was 5th in the brownlow the yr before for the tiges..so they kinda gave him away)
Francis Jackson (100 games for us).
Pitura did nothing for the tiges and drove back up the highway 2 yrs later.
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Correct - J'Lo would have been one of the elite players in the AFL if he didn't get struck down just as he was maturing properly. His knees were shot when he was about 23 and they never heeled.
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Two fremantle fans claiming Justin Longmuir was a great player and worthy #2 pick.
Based on coulda woulda shoulda ?
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Somehow through a combination of luck and management, Freo seem to have traded when they should have drafted, and drafted when they should have traded.
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It's not like he could never get on the park and was struck down before his career even started. We got 8 years and 139 games of quality football of him.
If you don't think he was a good player you obviously didn't watch him play enough. For a time there he probably would have been our second most talented player after Pav. Losing him just as he was hitting his prime was a big blow to the club.
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Freo were never in a position to pick Lloyd. No matter who they took an uncontracted player from someone else was always going to end up with him. That said, it was nice of them to take Ridley off us and stop Geelong from getting their paws on him
Lucas was drafted at 4, a trade for Tony Delaney, who was later delisted and picked up by St Kilda.
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Sheedy talks about that trade in his book Stand Your Ground...
K.S..." If any proof was ever needed that Graeme (Richmond) meant what he said, it came when the club swapped Billy Barrett for Ian Stewart, who by that time was a dual Brownlow Medallist and premiership player at St Kilda. Certainly players had been traded in the past, but there had never been a straight 'superstar swap' quite like this one. I was stunned by it.
Ian Stewart's efforts in 1971, however, quickly showed the wisdom of the trade from a Richmond perspective. In contrast. things went really badly for Billy. He played just a couple of games (for the Saints) and was cleared to Carlton mid-season.
There he and Ron Barassi had a dust-up and his VFL career was over. He ended up at North Melbourne and didn't play a senior game there. You just can't believe that. A player of his class not getting a game at North.
In contrast, Stewart went on to win his third Brownlow"...(while at RFC)
One of the worst trade decisions ever in League history..by Saints...
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To me thats the definition. To be disastrous you have to be trading some big currency. Something like Nick Riewoldt for Buddy Franklin ( No I'm not saying this particular one would ever happen ), big stakes for big returns, and then it goes pairshaped.
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From memory Ablett played 6 games for the Hawks, he wasn't traded as such but later re-ignited his career with Geelong. WHo won out of this deal we'll never know as Ablett didn't settle with Joyce or Jeans (can't remeber which one). Geelong paid around $60,000 in compo i think for his services.
The Hawks went onto to become the best team of the 80's whilst Geelong never won a flag with G Ablett. Had he stayed who knows what could've happened how things would change, players, structures, arguments, clashes?? Could Ablett, Dunstall Brereton all play together effectively in same fwd line amongst others?
The flip side is that Gary Ablett jr could be lined up in Hawks colours now as a father/son and maybe N Ablett would have settled better and stayed on.
As for the eagles us taking Brandon Hill, who went on to captain peel when next pick lenny hayes was taken at 11. Usually we have been pretty good but like all clubs we've had some misses in the lottery.
Also for port when they gave us pick 1 for Ian Downsborogh and maybe Bond not sure. We got Gardiner. I remeber our recruiting team saying it was hardest decision they made trading downsborough.
For freo Phil Gilbert for Jeff Farmer
Also IIRC we got a freo zonal player + pick 3 for David Hynes. Zonal was Phil Matera, pick 3 Buzz Fewster.
Collingwood picking up Chad Morrison & Chad Rintoul.
Malthouse although great coach had some real bad picks in his time and left WCE in a bad state and ageing list.
Others that didn't cost us much but were still bad: Richard Tayler, Trent Carrol, Greg Harding, Michael Collica, Mark Merenda (was good but had bad back)
Andy lovell for Turley broke my heart although Turley didn't shine for Melbourne.
Still don't know who won the Chipper Adkins / Andrew Williams trades.
Daniel Kerr (trade pick up) + David Sierakowski for G Train was an interesting win/win, although we got a flag out of kerry and had to pay compo for Siera and his dodgy knees.
that's all for now off top of my head, definately forgot a lot more.
The Hawks went onto to become the best team of the 80's whilst Geelong never won a flag with G Ablett. Had he stayed who knows what could've happened how things would change, players, structures, arguments, clashes?? Could Ablett, Dunstall Brereton all play together effectively in same fwd line amongst others?
The flip side is that Gary Ablett jr could be lined up in Hawks colours now as a father/son and maybe N Ablett would have settled better and stayed on.
As for the eagles us taking Brandon Hill, who went on to captain peel when next pick lenny hayes was taken at 11. Usually we have been pretty good but like all clubs we've had some misses in the lottery.
Also for port when they gave us pick 1 for Ian Downsborogh and maybe Bond not sure. We got Gardiner. I remeber our recruiting team saying it was hardest decision they made trading downsborough.
For freo Phil Gilbert for Jeff Farmer
Also IIRC we got a freo zonal player + pick 3 for David Hynes. Zonal was Phil Matera, pick 3 Buzz Fewster.
Collingwood picking up Chad Morrison & Chad Rintoul.
Malthouse although great coach had some real bad picks in his time and left WCE in a bad state and ageing list.
Others that didn't cost us much but were still bad: Richard Tayler, Trent Carrol, Greg Harding, Michael Collica, Mark Merenda (was good but had bad back)
Andy lovell for Turley broke my heart although Turley didn't shine for Melbourne.
Still don't know who won the Chipper Adkins / Andrew Williams trades.
Daniel Kerr (trade pick up) + David Sierakowski for G Train was an interesting win/win, although we got a flag out of kerry and had to pay compo for Siera and his dodgy knees.
that's all for now off top of my head, definately forgot a lot more.
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