Do Carlton need any more draft picks?

[beatlesmith]

Just thinking the other day about fevola and carlton as fevola systematically destroyed WB i the last quarter. Fevola is 27. I would say he has 3 really good years left in him, and then will probably decline. To be honest, you guys have to challenge for and win a premiership while he is still playing in his prime. He has a great mdfield kicking to him, and that midfield is improving. Kreuzer is very ready made, and is holding the ruck position. Waite and Jamison are doing well down back. So rather than developing more kids, IMO, carlton should be loading up on experienced, proven quality players, to give them a real shot at the premiership. Now assume carlton end up with picks 6 and 24, and WC end up with 2, 18 and 20.
Howabout:
Embley+Hansen+pick 18 for pick 6?

Embley= very versatile, quality midfielder. Would complete your midfield, give you a quality option on the outside, who can be used well as a forward target aswell as a medium defender. Finals experienced, plays very well in finals. Assists the kids.
Hansen= Good lead up CHF. WOuld help fev alot. He leads up the ground, becomes a link man, wile fev leads in to the space. Plays very well wth the service of very good midfield, like carltons. In 06 and 07, he was generally regarded as our most important player, such was his work up the ground. We won a ridiculous ratio of games that he played in (hence he gained the nickname, "lucky charm"), that is how well he did his role, and how important he was to the structure. Hansen would allow waite to stay back and kreuzer to concentrate more on rucking. In the best fitness and some of the best form of his career.
Pick 18= Good pick, gives you a top 20 pick in a deep, quality draft which would hold value if you wanted another trade or wanted another KP back youngster.

Carltons time is now. Fevola is the key to the premiership. Fevola is the best chance carlton has for a premiership in the next 10 years. When Judd gets back to full fitness and quality, and the constant and rapid improvement of murphy and gibbs, and then embley and stevens, it will be like the west coast midfield of old kicking to a gun FF, which would be deadly. Certainly a contender against hawthorn and geelong.
Just my thoughts, don't interpret it as a troll or whatever. But IMO, a a trade of such (maybe put hunter in there instead of embley or hansen) benefits both teams greatly.

 

[Styxx]

I think the Hansen idea isn't too bad. We wouldn't go for Embley as we don't need the midfielders.

We'd probably look for a major forward in this draft as we haven't got what we wanted out of Hartlett and he'll probably get the axe.

 

[beatlesmith]

I think the Hansen idea isn't too bad. We wouldn't go for Embley as we don't need the midfielders.

We'd probably look for a major forward in this draft as we haven't got what we wanted out of Hartlett and he'll probably get the axe.

i wouldnt really clssify him as a mid in your team. Stevens, Judd, murphy and gibbs are mainly inside, embley plays up the flanks and the wings. In great form this year. Plays nearly every role on the ground. A great asset to any team, regardless of what they already have. Maybe Hunter instead of embley. Hunter gives you another KP back option. Can also swing forward well. Finals proven and experienced. Would allow waite to go forward aswell.

 

[Artie Bucco]

TBH we don't need much to complete our list.

In the short term we need a competitive ruckman, classy small forward and big target up forward. Aside from the ruckman we potentially have replacements for the other two positions.

Giving up our first round pick would be very stupid, considering the talent inside the top 20 this year. Plus that scenario would never happen, lob sided in our favour

 

[thylacine60]

I think the Hansen idea isn't too bad. We wouldn't go for Embley as we don't need the midfielders.

We'd probably look for a major forward in this draft as we haven't got what we wanted out of Hartlett and he'll probably get the axe.

A Norm Smith medalist with erratic form. Think he might like being in front on the scoreboard. And Hansen has as many injury woes as Hartless. Here's a crazy notion - we keep pick 6 (think it will be higher myself) and draft a gun KPP. Too OTT?

 

[Monkey King]

Hate to fall into the same trap St Kilda did. I'd prefer to continue building a strong young list that will challenge for several years in the future rather than a year or two before rebuilding again. Especially as this year is reputed to be a deep draft, we have the chance to add a couple of really talented youngsters.

FWIW I reckon Fev will be good for another 5 years. Most good FF's are still kicking goals at 32yo and perhaps in his case, age will improve him.

 

[Kaladin Stormblessed]

I'd rather keep our draft picks and build for sustained success than try and take the route St Kilda and Fremantle have taken with disastrous results.

Don't forget the core group of our team is still very very young, the only discrepancy is Fevola, so if we stock pile our first and second round picks over the next two drafts with key forwards plus hopefully one of Edwards/Harts/Austin/Waite becomes a permanent forward, we should be able to challenge even after Fev gives the game away with our young midfielders, backline and ruckmen still in their prime.

Sustained success it is

P.S: Hansen is rubbish.

 

[baconb]

Embley+Hansen+pick 18 for pick 6?

I would do that, be good for us I recon

 

[bluesx10withjudd]

Just thinking the other day about fevola and carlton as fevola systematically destroyed WB i the last quarter. Fevola is 27. I would say he has 3 really good years left in him, and then will probably decline. To be honest, you guys have to challenge for and win a premiership while he is still playing in his prime. He has a great mdfield kicking to him, and that midfield is improving. Kreuzer is very ready made, and is holding the ruck position. Waite and Jamison are doing well down back. So rather than developing more kids, IMO, carlton should be loading up on experienced, proven quality players, to give them a real shot at the premiership. Now assume carlton end up with picks 6 and 24, and WC end up with 2, 18 and 20.
Howabout:
Embley+Hansen+pick 18 for pick 6?

Embley= very versatile, quality midfielder. Would complete your midfield, give you a quality option on the outside, who can be used well as a forward target aswell as a medium defender. Finals experienced, plays very well in finals. Assists the kids.
Hansen= Good lead up CHF. WOuld help fev alot. He leads up the ground, becomes a link man, wile fev leads in to the space. Plays very well wth the service of very good midfield, like carltons. In 06 and 07, he was generally regarded as our most important player, such was his work up the ground. We won a ridiculous ratio of games that he played in (hence he gained the nickname, "lucky charm"), that is how well he did his role, and how important he was to the structure. Hansen would allow waite to stay back and kreuzer to concentrate more on rucking. In the best fitness and some of the best form of his career.
Pick 18= Good pick, gives you a top 20 pick in a deep, quality draft which would hold value if you wanted another trade or wanted another KP back youngster.

Carltons time is now. Fevola is the key to the premiership. Fevola is the best chance carlton has for a premiership in the next 10 years. When Judd gets back to full fitness and quality, and the constant and rapid improvement of murphy and gibbs, and then embley and stevens, it will be like the west coast midfield of old kicking to a gun FF, which would be deadly. Certainly a contender against hawthorn and geelong.
Just my thoughts, don't interpret it as a troll or whatever. But IMO, a a trade of such (maybe put hunter in there instead of embley or hansen) benefits both teams greatly.

nice idea..although i think Carlton has learnt its lesson on topping up prior to the draft penalties we got r*ped with... imo we are better served building slowly, rather than for short term glory.

 

[deadoralive]

embley, perhaps not, injury prone. is this because of subiaco oval maybe???

hansen. ummmm. in a big fat word. NEVER.

the idea that fev can just dominate one out is not going to work every time. he needs a partner in crime up there doing damage and the dogs game it was wiggles. now he's not going to do that every time, very happy he did, don't get me wrong.

but we can't expect that every time now.

gun forward from the draft with pick 6-9. best option, someone who is very talented, and not injury prone. who is the best KP forward or defender in the draft that will be available???

 

[Jeremias]

A few things here:

1. Pick 6 in this draft is still going to get us a very good footballer. To get us to give away that pick, we would have to be presented with a very good deal - and the one presented to us in the OP isn't that good at all.

2. Even though Fev is 27, he still has a good 5 years of football left in him. Make no mistake about it, we're still looking to the future and building a squad that can keep us competitive for a long time. We're not building for a 1 year premiership assault. Rather, we're looking at hopefully achieving a period of sustained success.

3. Don't try and fool us with Ashley Hansen. Disguise it any way you like, but he is a very ordinary footballer. He does not have the ability to hold down a key forward position, he's more of a very tall half forward flanker, and we already have a few of them around. Added to that he's extremely injury prone, so even though we're looking for tall forwards, he's the exact type of player we would be avoiding. We've already got Hartlett to fill in the position of "forever injured tall forward".

3. Whilst Embley is a good player, we're not looking to top up. As I said, we're building a list that will hopefully remain competitive for a long while. The days of recruiting 27+ year olds are pretty much over for us.

It is very unlikely that we will be giving up pick 6, as there is every chance that the player we get with it will be better than the player that an opposition club offers in exchange for it. We'll be looking for a tall with our first pick, and one or both of Hurley and McKernan should still be around by our pick. I'd rather be recruiting them than Ashley Hansen, that's for sure.

If you want pick 6 you would have to offer us something that will continue with our recruiting policy currently in place. McKinley would no doubt have to be in such a deal.

Oh, and don't forget that if we were to take your proposed deal, we would have to create an extra spot on our list, which we wouldn't do.

 

[wdgann]

Hate to fall into the same trap St Kilda did. I'd prefer to continue building a strong young list that will challenge for several years in the future rather than a year or two before rebuilding again. Especially as this year is reputed to be a deep draft, we have the chance to add a couple of really talented youngsters.

FWIW I reckon Fev will be good for another 5 years. Most good FF's are still kicking goals at 32yo and perhaps in his case, age will improve him.

Our list is young enough. this west coast supporter is correct. we should bulk up with 2 more quality experienced players and try to win a premiership in 2009 or 2010

 

[gbatman]

Would be nice, plug up all the holes and go for a flag, plus develop for the future.

 

[Doza]

Oh my god, have none of my fellow Carlton supporters watched any WC games this year? Embley and Hansen are c*r*a*p. This guy is playing a joke on us, seriously.

A) I don't think we need to top up that much, it never works for anyone else, and B) if we did, these 2 players would be the last we would choose.

Embley is a norm smith medal winning midfielder who, by WC supporter's own admission, is going so bad that he has had to reinvent himself off the half back flank. Hansen is a forward who can never get on the park and has never delivered what he supposedly promised.

 

[THEBLOODS85]

For a start Pick 6 could be pick 7 to 9 if our form gets us to the finals, plus the recruiting policy set does not allow players over 24 into the current system.......negating Embley. As for Hansen, unreliable with injury.

McKinley raises my eyebrows though!

 

[Faz 2000]

I don't think we want to get any older players in right now. We're going in the right direction, and fast. At this point I'd look to re-stock the cupboard with gun youngsters, and continue to build for the future. It will arrive soon enough if we go about it in the right way.

Fev can and should still be highly productive several years after 30. I think 5 years more is entirely reasonable. Towards the end of that he may be even more of a close-to-goal forward and may bulk up a bit more (Alastair Lynch style), but that's fine. I think his frame can handle that. He has no injury history to speak of.

 

[Pamam]

I don't think we want to get any older players in right now. We're going in the right direction, and fast. At this point I'd look to re-stock the cupboard with gun youngsters, and continue to build for the future. It will arrive soon enough if we go about it in the right way.

Fev can and should still be highly productive several years after 30. I think 5 years more is entirely reasonable. Towards the end of that he may be even more of a close-to-goal forward and may bulk up a bit more (Alastair Lynch style), but that's fine. I think his frame can handle that. He has no injury history to speak of.

touch wood!!

 

[Salaryman]

I always find that a funny question......also when people say we have the youngest list, do we need more picks?? Under the rules you have to use at least 3 picks in every draft, so why not use 6, 25 and 41 or if you want to trade surplus players even upgrade to 6, 22, and 25 for arguments sake, as opposed to 25, 41 and 57??

Trade for need and develop some higher picks for the next 4-5 years.

 

[Monkey King]

Our list is young enough. this west coast supporter is correct. we should bulk up with 2 more quality experienced players and try to win a premiership in 2009 or 2010

If you don't like a young list, then be patient, it will get older with time... funny about that.

The WCE supporter wants to dump a couple of 25+ players who aren't providing much to his team this year, and stock up on youth for the future. So in essence I agree with you, this WCE supporter has the right idea, just not for our club.

 

[parrot]

Howabout:
Embley+Hansen+pick 18 for pick 6?
...

What planet are you from? lol. Embley is old and ordinary. Hansen has always been terrible - even Weagles supporters have been pushing for the guy to be booted for more than 12 months now. Try the Tiges - they love giving away top draft picks, although you may have missed your opportunity as they've just booted Miller.

 

[gandaal]

1. We don't need another mid range midfielder. If he was still a star we'd take Embley but he's that anymore so I wouldn't see the point in picking him up when our biggest strength is our midfield depth.
2. Hansen is a hack outside of WA and we only play at Subi twice a year.
3. Pick 6 offers us a chance at a potential superstar in this draft. Pick 18 would get us a good player.

That's a big cost for little gained. If you want to send Kerr over for pick 6 we'll talk but less than that you can just forget it.

 

[HBF]

I always find that a funny question......also when people say we have the youngest list, do we need more picks?? Under the rules you have to use at least 3 picks in every draft, so why not use 6, 25 and 41 or if you want to trade surplus players even upgrade to 6, 22, and 25 for arguments sake, as opposed to 25, 41 and 57??

Trade for need and develop some higher picks for the next 4-5 years.

Jesus I hate agreeing with you.
Carlton know where the holes are in the list, and that should be looked at during trade week. I would also say that unless we can get a pretty big name, we will hang onto our first round selection.

 

[Kramer1]

I don't think the recruiting department would consider trading our first round pick this year.

Our key deficiencies are plain to see - ruck, CHF, and a small/medium forward.

From all reports we will make a play for Warnock, and I imagine we will try and package players rather than pics (or at least later pics).

Similar story with McKinley.

CHF is the tough one to fill, and clearly Ratts and co are still weighing up their options. Hartlett is looking less and less likely. IMO Waite is the only internal option, but is looking more and more comfortable at CHB. I imagine Austin will play the year out to see if he is a viable option to play CHB and release Waite forward.

If we trade for a CHF it won't be for Hansen (at least I hope!). I wouldn't be surprised if we tried to snaffle Brad Miller. He is only 25, prime time for a KPP. Wouldn't have to move heaven and earth to get him, and whilst he ain't no Jonno Brown, he plays the role we need. A big body that contests well, and draws a quality defender.

In 3-4 years when Miller has collected his premiership medallion, we will have a gun CHF from the 08 draft ready to hit his straps.

We also have the Bailey connection. Actually the more I think about, the more is makes sense. Brad Miller for 09 - get on board!

 

[HBF]

Miller would also have a connection with Brett Ratten.

 

[Faz 2000]

I hadn't considered Miller. That's actually a pretty solid idea. We could call him Duke II, being the second big spud of a CHF we'd taken from Melbourne to act as a foil for our real forward!

I like it.