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http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/12/1068329629547.html?from=top5

Do daughters cause divorce?
November 13, 2003

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The more daughters you have, the worse the effect on your marriage, according to new research from the United States.

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Daughters and divorce: Your say



New research shows the secret of a successful partnership could be in the sex of your children. Caroline Overington reports.

If you want to prevent your own divorce, don’t have daughters, have sons. As startling as it may seem, a new study from the United States has shown that parents of girls are 5 per cent more likely to divorce than parents of boys.

Not only that, in the US at least, the more daughters you have, the worse the effect on your marriage: a couple with two girls is 8 per cent more likely to divorce than a couple with two boys. A couple with three daughters is 13 per cent more likely to divorce than a couple with three sons.

"It certainly surprised me," says one of the researchers, Gordon Dahl, who is an associate professor of economics at the University of Rochester in New York. "You wouldn’t think that having girls made a difference to whether or not you get a divorce, but it very clearly does."

Dahl and his colleague, fellow economist Enrico Moretti from University of California, Los Angeles, based their study on data from 6 million mothers, which was extracted from the past 60 years of the US census.


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"There is no room for statistical error," says Dahl. "In a sample that size, you have smoothed out any differences you might get from looking at a group with too many white mothers, or too many black mothers, or too many people with financial problems. All of life’s circumstances are balanced across a group this size.

"But, even when we controlled for race, for age, for the education of the mother, the figures stayed the same. There is no doubt about it: the gender of your children makes a difference, when it comes to whether or not you divorce."

Ever since the study was published — first on the website, Slate.com, and then in The New York Times, debate has raged over what it means. Do daughters cause divorce? Or is it that sons prevent divorce?

Key findings:


A couple with one daughter is 5 per cent more likely to divorce than a couple with one son.


The more daughters, the greater the effect: a couple with three daughters is 13 per cent more likely to divorce than a couple with three sons.


Couples with all boys have the lowest divorce rate of any family type.


Couples with all girls have the highest divorce rate of any family type.


The arrival of a boy offers some protection from divorce, since mixed-gender families divorce less often than families with only girls.


A couple with two daughters is more likely to have a third child than a couple with two sons.


Single mothers who give birth to a boy are 42 per cent more likely to marry the father than those with girls.

"We don’t know," says Dahl. "All we can say is that couples with girls get divorced more often than couples with boys. We also know that couples who have all boys have the lowest rate of divorce, and that couples with all girls have the highest rate of divorce. And we know that couples who have girls, and then go on to have a boy, have a lower rate of divorce than couples who have only girls. We have some ideas why this might be, but we can’t know for sure."

Dahl posits that some men have a preference for a male heir, who will carry on the family name. If that sounds old-fashioned, here’s another idea: maybe sons make marriages stronger.

"Dads tend to do more with their sons than they do with their daughters, like go out in the back yard and play ball," said Dahl. "And in my opinion, families who do things together are much stronger than families who don’t do things together. Maybe dads feel they have a special role to play if they have sons."

There are other possibilities: maybe women stay married when they have sons because they want their boys to have a male role model. Or maybe they leave a bad marriage if they have daughters, because they don’t want their girls exposed to a bad male role model.

Adding to the intrigue is Shelly Lundberg, a professor of economics at the University of Washington, who last year conducted a study that found that single mothers who give birth to sons were 42 per cent more likely to marry the child’s father than single mothers who give birth to girls. "In part, it was because women were more interested in getting married if they had boys," Lundberg says.

"Maybe that was because they thought baby boys needed a man around, to be a role model. But the men were also more interested in getting married when the baby was a boy."

Lundberg says she had some "very bizarre" reactions from colleagues when she presented her findings at various seminars. "We had very heated discussions, which is quite unusual for economists," she chuckled.

"I had quite a few colleagues take me aside to assure me they loved their daughters just as much as they loved their sons. But of course, we never said they didn’t."

Lundberg’s theory — that men prefer sons — is backed by Dahl’s study, which also showed that a couple with two daughters is more likely to have a third child than a couple with two sons.

"In families with girls, the parents are more likely to say: let’s try one more time," says Dahl. "But in families with boys, they say, no, we’re OK with what we have."

Now, that could be because two boys make quite enough noise. Or maybe couples with daughters find the experience so pleasant, they are happy to add to their brood. But it could also be that couples without sons keep trying because a family feels incomplete without a boy.

"Variety is very important to people," says Dahl. "In fact, although the data about girls has got the most attention, one of the main things our study showed is that parents seem to prefer one child of each gender." To explain: if a couple has two children, and they are of different genders, the parents are not as likely to have a third child, as they would be if their first two children were of the same gender.

For his part, Dahl has three children, all of them daughters, which surely makes him either nervous about his marriage, or else desirous of a fourth child? "I’ll say upfront, I’m a Mormon," he says with a laugh. "I am one of five and my wife is one of five, and we like a big family. I have three daughters, all are perfect, and I wouldn’t want it any other way."

And yes, they might try for another, and won’t mind if it’s a girl, or a boy.
 
What a load of BS. I have three sisters and there is no chance in hell that my parents would divorce. They bring out these articles every day about lame a$$ stats that really don't prove anything except that there are a lot of reasons why things happen.
 
seems to me this causation cannot be denied, may be a use for genetic enginering to help families get what they on average want - one boy and one girl!

whilst im on a roll piratting from the age, might as well continue.

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Another study - well

when I studied stats, the technical term was (If I recall correctly) -

"spurious correlation" = "diddly-squat"

As the divorced father of 2 girls - I just made sure they both knew they were not the cause ...

DKM


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Interesting findings, though I hope my daughter doesn't read this article...children have problem enough with believing it is somehow THEIR fault that their parents are divorced, let alone having it confirmed to them in an article such as this. You should make it clearer to those readers(children)that it ISN'T their fault but the parents decision to seperate, for whatever reason.

Debbie Brown


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RFM

You're absolutely right - we don't want the actual objective truth getting in the way of our social engineering project. Best not do any research at all if the answers are just going to muck up the program

If these scientists keep ferreting out the awkward truth, we might find out all sorts of nsaty things

the truth is out there


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Finally the truth comes out, they are all evil after all. Send em all to Tasmania I say !

Bah Humbug


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I would seriously question the validity of the research that was done. It is possible to manipulate / read the results of any field, science or other, to say what you want it to say.

Andrew H


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I am one of five daugthers with no brothers and my parents have been married for 33 years.

Stefanie Moran


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Is this the same university that told the Bracks government that placing fixed speed cameras will reduce the road toll. Seems pathetic but how did this university came up with this suggestion.

Ralph Rover


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Whether it's true or not, I hate these types of studies. Can we really learn anything from this? Isn't it bad enough that girls are already unwanted in many third world countries? What good can come of such findings?

Surely there are more important things to study!

RFM
 

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Originally posted by Matty01
What a load of BS. I have three sisters and there is no chance in hell that my parents would divorce. They bring out these articles every day about lame a$$ stats that really don't prove anything except that there are a lot of reasons why things happen.

They didn't say anywhere that having daughters meant you definitely would divorce. I'm sure there are plenty of women out there with parents who aren't divorced. They just said there is a corelation between daughters and divorce. And as they said the fact that there were 6 million samples other reasons don't matter (look up the Law of Large Numbers).
 
Probably has more to do with men being happier in marriages when they have sons, than anything to do with daughters.
 
Originally posted by Dean3
Probably has more to do with men being happier in marriages when they have sons, than anything to do with daughters.

Could be anything really. Maybe a man that is more likely to pass on his X chromosone is more likely to not be marriage material.
 
Originally posted by goaldrush
That article is way off the mark.

It is full of rubbish and is sexist.

Quite to the contrary.

It is a scientific analysis.

For you to suggest otherwise is a reflection of your intelligence, or to put it more bluntly lack thereof!

Of course the mistake i think you have made is to take it personally.
 
6 million people is an excellent sample, and the results are way to strong to be subsumed by any fudge margin. I don't think they set out to prove this strange conclusion, but the numbers would've just lept out at them. I've got no idea what the causes might be, and I'm not sure we really want to know.
 

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Originally posted by DonFan
My sister has three sons and one daughter and has been divorced twice - oops, there goes that theory.:rolleyes:

so you feel a sample of one is better than 6 million? :rolleyes:
 
That's quite surprising and over such a large sample does provide some form of correlation.

People here just bring up that they know cases where there are all daughters and it hasn't happened or all sons and they divorced, but of course there are single incidnets that can be pointed out.

The article doesn't say, have all daughters and you'll be divorced - it says the divorce rate is higher in family's with all daughters, than in families with all sons.

I'd say it probably has more to do with the fact that Men seem to feel more comfortable when they have a male child.

And the fact it says the more daughter's you have the more likely divorce.

Think about that;
man wants son but gets daughter = a bit annoyed
man wants son but gets a second daughter = getting quite annoyed
man wants son but gets a third daughter = "i'm outta here!!"

If anything, it's more of a blight on the male species than the female species.......

But than the other possibility, could be the (and this is a big generalisation, and call me what you will, but we all know it's true) fact girls are a lot more emotional and probably cause more stress on their parents...... of course than the flip side is that although guys don't often end up spending nights on end in their room crying eating copius amounts of chocolate, they probably cause more stress for parents in that they are more likely to be causing problems at school, get expelled, or find themselves involved in criminal activity......

I think it would be quite an interesting field of study actually....
 

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5% really is naff all. I mean, yes, it's statistically significant, but it seems pointless hypothesising causes when those causes would only apply to such a small number of divorces.
 
Originally posted by sbagman
5% really is naff all. I mean, yes, it's statistically significant, but it seems pointless hypothesising causes when those causes would only apply to such a small number of divorces.

In a sample of 6 million people, 5% is quite a strong difference.
 
Originally posted by Black Thunder
In a sample of 6 million people, 5% is quite a strong difference.

You reckon? If I surveyed 6 million people, and 5% preferred chocolate flavoured ice-cream over strawberry, I would conclude that chocolate is slightly more popular than strawberry. Hence, from this study, I would conclude that it is slightly more likely that you will divorce if you have a daughter, not that daughters cause divorce or whatever. I still think that the difference is large enough to warrant seriously looking for a reason. 5% is 5%, if it's 6 thousand, 6 million, or 6 billion.
 
Originally posted by sbagman
You reckon? If I surveyed 6 million people, and 5% preferred chocolate flavoured ice-cream over strawberry, I would conclude that chocolate is slightly more popular than strawberry. Hence, from this study, I would conclude that it is slightly more likely that you will divorce if you have a daughter, not that daughters cause divorce or whatever. I still think that the difference is large enough to warrant seriously looking for a reason. 5% is 5%, if it's 6 thousand, 6 million, or 6 billion.

I think the fact that it rises with the number of daugherts is probably what causes the most concern.

but as I said, I'd say this has something to with fathers getting ****ed of about not having a son - more a blight on males than females.
 

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