Do Miller's Senseless Polls Annoy You?

[medusala]

Please remove your blinkers.
1-By the treaty of alliance and friendship of '39,the Red Army entered Poland,yes.And the Soviets had NO CHOICE but to accept the german offer ?.

Katyn.

 

[MGREG]

So the USSR didnt invade Poland in 1939 in alliance with Hitler? Nor did it invade Finland? Nor did it make satellites of Eastern Europe? The USSR didnt fund communist rebels throughout the third world under Stalins reign?

Stalin may not have claimed that one racial group was superior to other, he was an equal opportunity slaughterer. A huge relief to the lucky 30m or so no doubt.

Remove the blinkers.

HAHA! Equal opportunity slaughterer!

How so very well put. Stalin "liberated" eastern Europe from one type of totalitarianism and substituted it with another one.

 

[Goldenblue]

If the ignorant 51.5% of the electorate choose the politics of fear and prejudice there's not much the intelligent 48.5% can do about it.

A rather lovely comeback

My answer to the question - Yes.

 

[dan warna]

HAHA! Equal opportunity slaughterer!

How so very well put. Stalin "liberated" eastern Europe from one type of totalitarianism and substituted it with another one.

While stalin was needed to defeat the axis powers, it was an alliance of neccesity.

Stalin was a forked up mental madman who was responsible for many atrocities himself.

Any attempt to defend him, and his illegal and immoral occupation and subjugation of nations is as bad as trying to defend the nazi's.

That said, its amazing that you criticise stalin for 'liberating' e.europe and then took dominion over them, yet you support the conquering of iraq, and the setting up of a puppet govt there.

while I whole heartedly criticise stalin, and most your statements regarding his actions, once again your hypocracy shines through.

 

[MGREG]

While stalin was needed to defeat the axis powers, it was an alliance of neccesity.

Stalin was a forked up mental madman who was responsible for many atrocities himself.

Any attempt to defend him, and his illegal and immoral occupation and subjugation of nations is as bad as trying to defend the nazi's.

That said, its amazing that you criticise stalin for 'liberating' e.europe and then took dominion over them, yet you support the conquering of iraq, and the setting up of a puppet govt there.

while I whole heartedly criticise stalin, and most your statements regarding his actions, once again your hypocracy shines through.

Where have I done that? Again someone taking aim at the wrong target.

 

[dan warna]

Where have I done that? Again someone taking aim at the wrong target.

I assumed you were in the pro war clan, if not, then I retract that comment last comment and redirect the principle of the comment to medusala

 

[MGREG]

I assumed you were in the pro war clan, if not, then I retract that comment last comment and redirect the principle of the comment to medusala

I was pro-Bush but that does not mean I was 100% pro-Bush.

 

[dan warna]

mm

 

[medusala]

I assumed you were in the pro war clan, if not, then I retract that comment last comment and redirect the principle of the comment to medusala

Thus to be totally consistent you would have to be against Australian action in Timor, the first Gulf War, the Korean war, both World Wars etc.

It wasnt a problem in Stalin liberating Eastern Europe it was leaving his army behind for 45 years afterwards and setting up puppet states which denied personal liberties to their population.

I am pretty ambivalent on the whole Iraq thing as I am on the question of Palestine. World powers will always act in their national interest and if that interest is perceived to coincide with military action then more often or not they will do that. Is it really in the US national interest to have dictators and religious zealots in control of over half of the worlds oil supply? Of course it isnt.

Most people's anti war stand on here is nothing more than blatant anti Americanism. If Rwanda invaded Burundi and slaughtered thousands would any of you give a stuff? Of course not. How many people gave a stuff when the Serbs were running around ethnically cleansing Srbenica etc. Did the French and the Germans? Who are the hypocrites?

 

[Bombers 2003]

Katyn.

Considering the Nazis were responsible for that one,your arguement falls down again.

 

[Bombers 2003]

I was pro-Bush but that does not mean I was 100% pro-Bush.

A bit orwellian here ,MGREG.

 

[MGREG]

A bit orwellian here ,MGREG.

I support him in general but it doesnt mean I agree with everything he does. It does me I prefer him to Hermann Munster aka John Kerry.

 

[medusala]

Considering the Nazis were responsible for that one,your arguement falls down again.

YOu muppet. The Russians were responsible for Katyn and Yeltsin even apologised for it. Your ignorance/lack of knowledge on your favourite dictator is amazing.

 

[Bombers 2003]

YOu muppet. The Russians were responsible for Katyn and Yeltsin even apologised for it. Your ignorance/lack of knowledge on your favourite dictator is amazing.

NO,'muppet' you are the ignorant one,read 'Road to Berlin'by John Ericson,p88.

 

[medusala]

NO,'muppet' you are the ignorant one,read 'Road to Berlin'by John Ericson,p88.

This Erickson?
A decade ago Professor Erickson and the Russian investigators had concluded that his death could have been suicide prompted by a violent confrontation between himself and a group of British prisoners of war. The new evidence, however, now firmly blames the Katyn massacre. "It is clearly genuine and is the result of arduous investigations involving thousands of documents and transcripts," the Professor said. "For many years there have been arguments and rumours about it. Now, finally, we know the truth.

"It is clear that Yakov, who had become close friends with the Poles and had made two abortive escape attempts with them, was so distraught when goaded with the news of his father's massacre of the Polish officers, which was revealed in German newspapers in 1943, that he took his life. Driven to despair by the horrific conditions in the camp - he was emaciated and on the point of starvation - and the strain of the propaganda campaign the Germans had involved him in, the news that his father had sanctioned the Poles' murder was the final straw."

Although the German newspapers reports blamed the Russians for the Katyn atrocity, until 1993 the Soviet propaganda lie that it was a Nazi act was widely believed. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Moscow finally admitted its guilt. Though the official SS report at the time indicated that Dzhugashvili died after he was shot by a guard as he ran towards the wire, it is now known this was a fictional account compiled to impress Heinrich Himmler. "The guard certainly shot Yakov four times," Professor Erickson, who has viewed the evidence, confirms, "but it is now known that he fired the bullets into Yakov's already dead body."

The new evidence also reveals that, far from abandoning his son and holding him up to ridicule, as had been thought, Josef Stalin ordered Soviet Military Intelligence to make two rescue attempts in 1942. "This evidence does go some way to exonerating the British officers whose taunts were believed to have pushed Yakov to breaking point," Erickson says, "but it also highlights the devastating effect the Katyn massacre had on Yakov. He could not live, I believe, with the accounts he was given of the massacre ordered by his father.

"Though the Poles were killed at Katyn in 1940, their bodies were not discovered by the Germans until March 1943. When a camp guard showed Yakov the newspaper reports of the discovery, taunting him with the words, 'Look what you bastards did to these men. What kind of people are you?' Yakov was devastated. He was at the end of his tether. A month later, on April 15 1943, unable to live with the shame, he took his life."



by Bruce Kennedy
CNN Interactive Writer

In 1943, German soldiers discovered a mass grave in the Katyn forest near Smolensk in western Russia. The grave held the bodies of between 4,000 and 5,000 Polish army officers. Hoping to drive a wedge between the Soviet Union and its Western allies, Nazi officials publicized the grave and accused the Soviets of the massacre. Moscow denied the charge and claimed the Germans were attempting to cover up their own atrocity.

Despite evidence that the Kremlin was indeed behind the massacre, Britain and the United States chose to look the other way. London's wartime prime minister, Winston Churchill, opposed a call by the Polish government-in-exile for an investigation by the International Red Cross into the incident.

Following the war, at the Nuremberg war crime tribunals, the issue of Katyn was originally included on the list of crimes attributed to the Nazis. But it was later dropped, apparently out of concern that any revelations about the massacre would embarrass the Soviets.

It wasn't until 1990 that Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev admitted Soviet involvement in the Katyn forest massacre. Two years later, the Russian government handed over to Polish President Lech Walesa previously secret documents showing that Soviet leader Joseph Stalin had directly ordered the killing of the Polish army officers.

Most of the victims in Katyn forest were Polish army reservists -- lawyers, doctors, scientists and businessmen -- who were called up to active service following the Nazi invasion of Poland in 1939. But instead of fighting the Germans, about 15,000 Polish officers found themselves prisoners of the Red Army, which had occupied eastern Poland under the terms of a secret Moscow-Berlin treaty.

 

[Bombers 2003]

OK,for once i'll accept what you say.

 

[MillerCHF]

Well?

Yes his senseless polls annoy me.