Do we not get angry enough?

[Rob]

Something Gerard Healy said on 'On the couch' last night got me thinking. Basically he said we (i.e the Freo crowd) should have been a lot more pissed off after that non-call with Hamling in the last.

In context.....we'd kicked 2 goals to get us within a kick about halfway through the final quarter, and there's a pretty big incident on the half back flank.
Let's re-iterate what a bad call it was. Hamling never took possession, he was clearly tackled away from the ball, the umpire had a clear view, and incredibly importantly, it has a profound impact on the play. Because of the illegal tackle, Atley took possession when he wouldn't have otherwise. Calls don't get much worse.

Let's also put it in context for a longer period of time - we've had a negative free kick differential for the last 6 consecutive years. Ironically, the only year where it wasn't a significant difference was 2015 where we were atrocious. It's possible that may be due to our style of play - I don't know why that would give away more free kicks though.
Now this is where it gets really interesting - Including this year, our co-tenants have had a positive free kick differential for the last 17 consecutive years. Every single year since 2001. Now if we're going to argue style of play, it's an incredible co-incidence that one team's style of play attracts more free kicks pretty much indefinitely, and it would be difficult to argue that umpires don't get at least a little intimidated by their crowd. Yet they don't with ours.

Their crowd might be reknown for being know-nothing parochial yobs who don't stop booing, but it appears to get results. I couldn't give a rats ass what opposition supporters think of our crowd if it means we're going to consistently get 50-50 calls go our way.

So I ask the question - are we not feral enough towards the umpires? And does it cost us on the field?

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Something Gerard Healy said on 'On the couch' last night got me thinking. Basically he said we (i.e the Freo crowd) should have been a lot more pissed off after that non-call with Hamling in the last.

In context.....we'd kicked 2 goals to get us within a kick about halfway through the final quarter, and there's a pretty big incident on the half back flank.
Let's re-iterate what a bad call it was. Hamling never took possession, he was clearly tackled away from the ball, the umpire had a clear view, and incredibly importantly, it has a profound impact on the play. Because of the illegal tackle, Atley took possession when he wouldn't have otherwise. Calls don't get much worse.

Let's also put it in context for a longer period of time - we've had a negative free kick differential for the last 6 consecutive years. Ironically, the only year where it wasn't a significant difference was 2015 where we were atrocious. It's possible that may be due to our style of play - I don't know why that would give away more free kicks though.
Now this is where it gets really interesting - Including this year, our co-tenants have had a positive free kick differential for the last 17 consecutive years. Every single year since 2001. Now if we're going to argue style of play, it's an incredible co-incidence that one team's style of play attracts more free kicks pretty much indefinitely, and it would be difficult to argue that umpires don't get at least a little intimidated by their crowd. Yet they don't with ours.

Their crowd might be reknown for being know-nothing parochial yobs who don't stop booing, but it appears to get results. I couldn't give a rats ass what opposition supporters think of our crowd if it means we're going to consistently get 50-50 calls go our way.

So I ask the question - are we not feral enough towards the umpires? And does it cost us on the field?

Yes it does cost us

Eagles supporters are feral and a bunch of A grade morons. I don't want us to look like bad sports like them but that Hamling non free was a disgrace.

 

[Cobbler]

Something Gerard Healy said on 'On the couch' last night got me thinking. Basically he said we (i.e the Freo crowd) should have been a lot more pissed off after that non-call with Hamling in the last.

In context.....we'd kicked 2 goals to get us within a kick about halfway through the final quarter, and there's a pretty big incident on the half back flank.
Let's re-iterate what a bad call it was. Hamling never took possession, he was clearly tackled away from the ball, the umpire had a clear view, and incredibly importantly, it has a profound impact on the play. Because of the illegal tackle, Atley took possession when he wouldn't have otherwise. Calls don't get much worse.

Let's also put it in context for a longer period of time - we've had a negative free kick differential for the last 6 consecutive years. Ironically, the only year where it wasn't a significant difference was 2015 where we were atrocious. It's possible that may be due to our style of play - I don't know why that would give away more free kicks though.
Now this is where it gets really interesting - Including this year, our co-tenants have had a positive free kick differential for the last 17 consecutive years. Every single year since 2001. Now if we're going to argue style of play, it's an incredible co-incidence that one team's style of play attracts more free kicks pretty much indefinitely, and it would be difficult to argue that umpires don't get at least a little intimidated by their crowd. Yet they don't with ours.

Their crowd might be reknown for being know-nothing parochial yobs who don't stop booing, but it appears to get results. I couldn't give a rats ass what opposition supporters think of our crowd if it means we're going to consistently get 50-50 calls go our way.

So I ask the question - are we not feral enough towards the umpires? And does it cost us on the field?

We’re bad at drawing frees and poor at applying pressure. Honestly that’s all it is.

If Sandi flopped about? Sure, he could gain a few more frees.

No one buckles at the knees except sometimes Neale.

On the flip side we often fall into people’s backs.

I have no doubt it is coached and can be altered and it’s clearly something we don’t do at all. Certainly not to other teams levels.

I made the comment after the derby.

 

[Rob]

We’re bad at drawing frees and poor at applying pressure. Honestly that’s all it is.

If Sandi flopped about? Sure, he could gain a few more frees.

No one buckles at the knees except sometimes Neale.

On the flip side we often fall into people’s backs.

I have no doubt it is coached and can be altered and it’s clearly something we don’t do at all. Certainly not to other teams levels.

I made the comment after the derby.

And West Coast are just good at it? For the last 17 years?

I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but I reckon there's more to it.

 

[Cobbler]

And West Coast are just good at it? For the last 17 years?

I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but I reckon there's more to it.

How long has Margett’s been umpiring?

 

[Rob]

How long has Margett’s been umpiring?

Funnily enough, that was the other recent call I had in mind. Last quarter in the derby, I think the margin was just over a goal, and there was a blatant throw about 30 metres out from our goal. Margetts had a clear view but just refused to pay the kick. Those calls can decide games.
I don't buy conspiracy theories about umpires deliberately favouring teams, but I can buy that they get intimidated by certain crowds to pay kicks a certain way. And our crowd just doesn't seem to have that effect.

 

[Retzlaff]

So are eagles fans feral, or Chardonnay sippers? Not sure they can be both

 

[yoong]

Yeah, the Hamling non call is totally disgraceful. Even if it’s a wrong call, it wouldn’t hurt to come out and said so.
They didn’t seem to have a problem admitting when they got Richmond’s call wrong.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-28/afl-admits-error-on-tigers-score-review

The umpires are not even consistent in their interpretation between us and the opposition team.

I understand that we played badly, but we get shit calls even when we are playing well also

 

[jedi mind tricks]

So are eagles fans feral, or Chardonnay sippers? Not sure they can be both

I saw two nice looking blonde chicks drink some chardonnay the previous weekend and then punched on with the security at The Brook.

So the answer is yes.

 

[Purple Jesus]

So are eagles fans feral, or Chardonnay sippers? Not sure they can be both

I've seen plenty of sheilas on Melbourne Cup day that prove they can be both.

 

[raffrox]

I was pretty pissed off at the time and let my feelings be heard. I know that much.

 

[Taylor]

There is a material difference to a team's results when the crowd is loud and one eyed.

If you want an example, re-watch Pav's milestone match against Geelong. The crowd was wild, the Geelong players were rattled and commented after the match that the roar made them feel like there was a player breathing down their neck the entire time, it rushed them, they made mistakes.

That's not to comment on the effect of sustained pressure on umpires.

 

[Del183359]

How long has Margett’s been umpiring?

Too long

 

[Unique Name]

From where i was sitting the crowd went wild at the Hamling non-decision. I went ballistic and scared the people around me.

 

[bfff]

How much does Gerard love the Eagles?

What about the umpires make the right calls? The Hamling non-call was just terrible umpiring, bloke should be dropped for that shit.

 

[Nightrain]

It was such a boring game that by the time the Hamling incident happened, me and everyone around including North supporters were 3/4 asleep. I think we were all just happy the final siren went so we could all go home.

 

[Del183359]

How much does Gerard love the Eagles?

What about the umpires make the right calls? The Hamling non-call was just terrible umpiring, bloke should be dropped for that shit.

I’m happy to drop him.

 

[Nothing]

One of the issues is that we don't expect to get the calls so the crowd doesn't hoot (boo?) for the contentious ones (or even the obvious ones). Eagles crowd expect every free, every time the opposition touch the ball. It creates sustained pressure on the umps.

 

[One_Wing]

Its only game why you have to be mad?

 

[Square Peg]

We don't draft, develop, select, or give a game plan to, umpires. But it is much easier to blame them than all of the above things we do control. Yeah umpiring ranks are full of poorly trained decision makers that can't recognise their own subconscious biases, and that Hamling decision was appalling, but I find it hard to care too much.

 

[The Joker]

Look, I am willing to run onto the oval with my pitchfork to prove my anger every time we get a bad call, but you have to pay the fine, deal?

50/50, I do the crime and you do the time

 

[Dirty_banchez]

We need Alex Jones.

 

[mightymouse75]

We need a frigging break

 

[mightymouse75]

I would love for Ross to snap and spray the maggots in even just 1 pressa

 

[TheInjuryFactory]

I would love for Ross to snap and spray the maggots in even just 1 pressa

This.

We as fans can't really make any difference, particularly once they've been made and already cost us like the Hamling non-call. Booing the shit out of the umps once the game's been broken apart is too late, the horse had bolted.

The club seem to have an aversion to calling out shit umpiring full stop. Every other club seem to have no issue with it. As far as coaches go, Chris Scott has made a sport of ridiculing umps on a weekly basis and hasn't been pinged for it once.

Ross is particularly reticent to make any comment or judgement on umpiring decisions. Was asked directly about it, had every opportunity then to call it out but instead he actively talked it down as insignificant. I think he's hamstrung by his own 'no excuses football team' mantra.

**** it, cop the fine if necessary but nah we just continue to take it up the kyber and expect a different result.

That outrageous call against Ballas in the first 10 mins on the back of a pre game focus on eradicating 'the Ballantyne stuff' in the 2015 prelim was criminal.