Does Murphy get to 300?

[LemmingMaster]

Which other clubs have carried a player to 300, from about game 260? What are you actually arguing? He’s close to 300, yes. But doesn’t deserve to be. Where do you draw the line?

Can’t believe anyone could advocate for the selection of a player who is physically unable or unwilling to do what is required. We are going in one short, it’s laughable.

Nathan Jones just this year is an example.

 

[GoBlues!]

Better to play VFL than to miss games sitting the bench as Sub.

Murphy is a respected player, the players would be hoping he gets 300 and be happy for him when be does. Culture is built around respect. You don't build respect by dogging blokes like Murphy. You do it by honouring and respecting your past and present stars.

He's still good enough to be playing. The players would know he's done, that he's deserving and they would/should want this for him.

This sort of stuff makes footy personal and that builds culture.

You may by right gb.

 

[gbatman]

You may by right gb.

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100%. We did the wrong thing by Brad Fisher years ago, I reckon unless they hated the bloke, the players would have hated that, I have no doubt that players would have held resentment towards that decision and those who made it and probably to the club its self. You want players to play for the club, they first have to at least like the club and respect the club and those in it. I have no doubt Murphy is a well liked and respected player. This is part of that.

A clubs history makes it a special place to be. Our premierships and our past make that. Murphy being around and around these players and playing 300 games is a part of that and it's things like that that make our club that bit better and special over many other clubs who don't have that. GCS, GWS etc...

Club culture is another thing. You want a playing group who does it for their mates and does it for their club when they run out. Club needs to show that players have worth and if it does that players will return the favour. We didn't get up for Ed Curnow which proved to me that this is lacking a little here, well we need to build this. You get a bloke like Murphy to 300 it shows the players that the club appreciates the effort and values it's greats. It teaches them respect and it should make them want to be greats of a club with a rich history.

We have an opportunity to get a bloke to 300 games without it holding us back in any way, I suggest we do that because it's what good clubs do and it builds a culture of respect and effort for the jumper and your mates.

I've played a lot of footy, I know players would hate it and it would build resentment if we didn't do this.

 

[gbatman]

I agree there is zero benefit having the likes of Honey, LOB, Ramsay, Kemp or Carroll the sub instead of playing a full game in the 2’s, so next week he may well remain the sub (McGovern may have to come in to ruck for TDK)...but what happens if we beat the Suns and then play Port needing a win to keep our season alive? Murphy remaining the sub for his 300th is not going to happen, so someone has to make way.

I’ll keep it simple and not contemplate hypotheticals like returning players from injury or good form in the 2s (Williams/Betts or Samo playing another good game in the 2s)...so are you ok with relegating any one of Owies, Newnes, Williamson, Honey or LOB to the sub role to accomodate Murphy being in the starting 22 for his 300th?

I’m not and I really hope the club is not either.

1. Murphy is not that bad. If it's not Murphy then it's probably SPS so much of a muchness. It will happen.
2. He may not be in the starting 22, but he will be in the team, I have no issue with that, he can still play well enough.
3. Having Murphy as sub is not going to cost us finals. We either are good enough or we are not.

 

[Manhattanite]

Will he play 301

I don’t think so

As someone else mentioned the best course forward is Murphy again sub for game 299 against Suns and if we win that we drop him completely for the Port game which we have to win for Finals

Then if we beat Port we make Murphy the sub for his game 300 against the Giants which will determine whether we make finals - we won’t be able to afford to make him a starter with our season on the line. If we lose to Port then he can come in as a starter against the Giants.

With West Coast losing heavily yesterday we can take their spot in the 8 if we win our last 3 and that’s more important than Murphy getting to 300 as a starter




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[Beyond Blue]

1. Murphy is not that bad. If it's not Murphy then it's probably SPS so much of a muchness. It will happen.
2. He may not be in the starting 22, but he will be in the team, I have no issue with that, he can still play well enough.
3. Having Murphy as sub is not going to cost us finals. We either are good enough or we are not.

I really doubt the club will play him as the sub in his 300th.

There’s still risk attached even with him being the sub if someone goes down early and he has to play the whole game out against a team like Port or GWS should we still be in the finals race.

I also tend to agree with your comment about Samo (or Fog) coming in as sub.

The other issue I would have is if Williams is right to play against Port he comes straight back in, then someone like Owies or Willo comes out in which case Murphy should miss altogether but that’s a hypothetical to consider at the time.

If we lose next week or the week after and can’t make the final I have no real problem with Murphy coming into the 22 to play his 300th but so long as the finals are in play there is no justification for him being in the starting 22.

 

[TD2010]

Blind Freddy could see he's going through the motions .
He's bailed on his team mates has no interest in the team now .
300 is the only interest for Murph .
That second half performance was beyond poor last night just pea hearted crap .

How about not even lacing up until the last minute.....such a weird mindset that he's being done a favour and yet acts insulted.

 

[bmaurizio]

1. Murphy is not that bad. If it's not Murphy then it's probably SPS so much of a muchness. It will happen.
2. He may not be in the starting 22, but he will be in the team, I have no issue with that, he can still play well enough.
3. Having Murphy as sub is not going to cost us finals. We either are good enough or we are not.

We’re not close to being finals contenders, one shouldn’t get carried away, much work needs to be done with the team and coaching.
We’re slow to react, lack a solid game plan, poor list management& recruiting. I’m hoping the external review is an effective guideline tool for the club irrespective of whether David Teauge remains as coach.
We need strong guidelines, to get out of the wilderness, let’s not get distracted by petty issues just for sake of complaining.

 

[Beyond Blue]

We’re not close to being finals contenders, one shouldn’t get carried away, much work needs to be done with the team and coaching.
We’re slow to react, lack a solid game plan, poor list management& recruiting. I’m hoping the external review is an effective guideline tool for the club irrespective of whether David Teauge remains as coach.
We need strong guidelines, to get out of the wilderness.

We’re not close to being finals contenders, one shouldn’t get carried away, much work needs to be done with the team and coaching.
We’re slow to react, lack a solid game plan, poor list management& recruiting. I’m hoping the external review is an effective guideline tool for the club irrespective of whether David Teauge remains as coach.
We need strong guidelines, to get out of the wilderness, let’s not get distracted by petty issues just for sake of complaining.

We’re half a game out of 8th spot with 3 rounds to go but we’re not close to being finals contenders so why bother trying to make the 8 when we can get Murphy to 300 instead? That’s the spirit!!!

 

[jj1978]

We win the next 2 we’d be funnily one if the form teams going into the final round winning 6/8 we win against GWS 7/9 going into finals… to do that carrying 1 player is monumental but stupid. I know deep in my heart with the Carlton on 2000s round 23 will be a dead rubber for us, but we can only dream and my view is don’t play him unless he tears it up on the training track

 

[Gointocarlton]

Better to play VFL than to miss games sitting the bench as Sub.

Murphy is a respected player, the players would be hoping he gets 300 and be happy for him when be does. Culture is built around respect. You don't build respect by dogging blokes like Murphy. You do it by honouring and respecting your past and present stars.

He's still good enough to be playing. The players would know he's done, that he's deserving and they would/should want this for him.

This sort of stuff makes footy personal and that builds culture.

Well said sir, I tip my lid to you.

 

[Healer]

I hope Murph makes it and I expect he only has this year to do it.
All the more reason to cut him a bit of slack for the last few games of the season.
He has been star and a soldier for the jumper through a very lean time at the club.
We don't need to be ruthless given our circumstances this year.

 

[mr_robot]

I would suggest setting up the wing role with players like Setterfield, Ed, Kennedy, and Cottrell is a bigger issue.


They've been holding him out of the midfield unit almost the entire time, particularly when Barker was still actively involved. The guy's losing his agility and the coach wants him to play as far wide of the stoppage as possible while also not encouraging him to make searching runs for the football?

Until last night, it's been an incredibly static system of ball movement for weeks because of the combination of slow and dour that's been a regular feature of the selection mix. There couldn't be more engineered against the bloke to succeed in his role for the team given his skillset.


There are other regular players for us this year that would also fall into this category, and all of them (including Murphy) have spent time outside the senior team.

So it's the game plan's fault that he has stunk it up this year? I've seen many an excuse for Marc, but this one takes the cake..

He should never have gotten a game this year. It's a feel good story before football success. It's rubbish. It's the reason Carlton will continue to be cellar dwellers.

 

[bmaurizio]

Suns game should be a win, given location and our momentum, but the remains 2 games are a different proposition and outcomes uncertain.

 

[mr_robot]

Nathan Jones just this year is an example.

He may be treacle slow, but at least he isn't afraid of contact.

 

[gbatman]

Assume you've missed a what or this doesn't make sense. Freudian maybe.

He's not playing to the standards we have known from him, he's not quite playing to a level we would like however he hasn't been playing terrible. He's finished as an AFL footballer however he's still able to run, hit targets and find the footy so we aren't suffering from playing him. If he couldn't run, kick or handle the footy you might be worried but he can still do enough to be acceptable at this level but for an older player he's not playing well enough to go around again, hence he's finished.

Do you honestly believe that? Because if you do I challenge you to name a game this year when he’s been in our best players. I can’t. I’ll be generous and say he was ok last year (got 3 Brownlow votes vs Gold Coast) so the drop off has been swift and his last few weeks since returning from injury have been simply awful.

The club should have had the tough conversation at the bye after his terrible performance vs West Coast and the week before against Sydney when he showed he couldn’t even impact the game coming on as the sub late in the third quarter when everyone else would have been buggered.

I admire the loyalty of some on here but for me given what’s at stake in the next 2 weeks for the club this is a no brainer. He doesn’t play again.

All of that is irrelevant, you don't f*** the clubs culture because you think the teams substitute isn't very good. You want the players to play for you, you have to earn their respect. It's that simple. Drop Murphy and the coach loses them.

There are plenty of players in the team who I am sure you are happy with who have not been a part of our best players or rarely are but are still going well enough. Murphy has not been terrible, he just has not played at a real high level and has not been the player he has been. If he was terrible I would suggest that he's not even worth the sub role but he hasn't been terrible. He runs, hits targets, competes and comes away with modest results. To be honest, I am not seeing players for any team come onto the field as the sub and be a part of the better players that often. He's protecting our young players from missing games and modestly competing when he has to play and that's fine from a substitute. He's been a great servant, loyal and played strongly in some terrible teams over the years, he deserves to be honoured, everyone at the club would feel that way. Drop him and you watch the other players go off the boil. He's not going to be dropped, he's going to get to 300 and that will be it for him.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

He's not playing to the standards we have known from him, he's not quite playing to a level we would like however he hasn't been playing terrible. He's finished as an AFL footballer however he's still able to run, hit targets and find the footy so we aren't suffering from playing him. If he couldn't run, kick or handle the footy you might be worried but he can still do enough to be acceptable at this level but for an older player he's not playing well enough to go around again, hence he's finished.



All of that is irrelevant, you don't f*** the clubs culture because you think the teams substitute isn't very good. You want the players to play for you, you have to earn their respect. It's that simple. Drop Murphy and the coach loses them.

There are plenty of players in the team who I am sure you are happy with who have not been a part of our best players or rarely are but are still going well enough. Murphy has not been terrible, he just has not played at a real high level and has not been the player he has been. If he was terrible I would suggest that he's not even worth the sub role but he hasn't been terrible. He runs, hits targets, competes and comes away with modest results. To be honest, I am not seeing players for any team come onto the field as the sub and be a part of the better players that often. He's protecting our young players from missing games and modestly competing when he has to play and that's fine from a substitute. He's been a great servant, loyal and played strongly in some terrible teams over the years, he deserves to be honoured, everyone at the club would feel that way. Drop him and you watch the other players go off the boil. He's not going to be dropped, he's going to get to 300 and that will be it for him.

I'm not sure what Murphy you've been watching but this is bordering on fantasy. I would argue that he clearly can't run, handle the footy or hit targets, he's been extremely poor. A loose ball in his vicinity is a win for the opposition, virtually every time. Add to that his aversion to physical contact and what exactly is he bringing to the table?

Your assumption that he is a well-liked member of the team is also wide of the mark.

 

[Beyond Blue]

So it's the game plan's fault that he has stunk it up this year? I've seen many an excuse for Marc, but this one takes the cake..

He should never have gotten a game this year. It's a feel good story before football success. It's rubbish. It's the reason Carlton will continue to be cellar dwellers.

I agree 100% with this as an earlier version of Murphy would have fitted in fine, but unfortunately this version does not.

If the club are hell bent on getting him to 300 then it can only be as the sub which I highly doubt they’d do due to the risk of him having 0% game time, but so long as our season is alive his current form and (lack of) fitness dictates that he has no place in the starting 22. If we lose next week to Gold Coast he can start in the 22 the following week for his 300th.

It’s nothing personal as I’ll be saying the same thing if Cripps is in a similar situation in 6-7 years time, because the club comes before the individual every single time.

 

[jackn]

He's not playing to the standards we have known from him, he's not quite playing to a level we would like however he hasn't been playing terrible. He's finished as an AFL footballer however he's still able to run, hit targets and find the footy so we aren't suffering from playing him. If he couldn't run, kick or handle the footy you might be worried but he can still do enough to be acceptable at this level but for an older player he's not playing well enough to go around again, hence he's finished.

That is possibly the most generous description of murphs current output anyone could ever provide. His kicking is okay, I know at least 2 of his 3 kicks in a half of footy were good. He can run, but not fast enough to avoid being tackled more often than not. Hard to judge his footy handling as he had 2 possessions per quarter.

He is 100% a liability to the team out there, that’s pretty hard to deny. The only legitimate debate is whether getting him to 300 games should override that.

He runs, hits targets, competes and comes away with modest results.

This competes part is just a ridiculous comment. Murph is as far from competing as you could possibly get. Competing is doing what it takes to get the ball or stop the opponent when they have it. Competing is hard ball gets and tackles. Not murph.

 

[katmanblue]

The comment was that successful clubs don't do it, full stop. There was no mention of the number of games.

And there's a very reasonable argument to be made that Jones has been carried for more than the 6 games this year. He was well past it last year too.

There's always context.

 

[heatleystandend]

If only he was as brave as you.

He may be treacle slow, but at least he isn't afraid of contact.

 

[JDequed]

He is 100% a liability to the team out there, that’s pretty hard to deny. The only legitimate debate is whether getting him to 300 games should override that.

There shouldn't be much debate about this. It would be a disgrace if the club doesnt get him to his 300th game. He has been a great servant to this club and deserves to add the title of 300 AFL games to his career.

 

[WFGodot]

We’ve come this far. Now we look like arseholes if we leave him on 298. So, yes he gets there, albeit as a sub.

 

[thylacine60]

If only he was as brave as you.

I'd suggest 100% of murph assassins here would crap their pants at even the thought of copping some of the hits he has taken over the years (for the club they follow and purport to love, through the shittest period in the club's history) I'd love to be there watching any of them say this stuff to his face - "ah, yeah, um, hi marc, ah, gee..............anyone seen my laptop?" at least they'll be able to scream about it every time his name is mentioned in years to come - let's see, what murph has added to the club, what grenade throwers on a footy forum have added to the club............let me see.........

 

[Gointocarlton]

I'd suggest 100% of murph assassins here would crap their pants at even the thought of copping some of the hits he has taken over the years (for the club they follow, through the shittest period in the club's history) I'd love to be there watching any of them say this stuff to his face - "ah, yeah, um, hi marc, ah, gee..............anyone seen my laptop?" at least they'll be able to scream about it every time his name is mentioned in years to come - let's see, what murph has added to the club, what grenade throwers on a footy forum have added to the club............let me see.........

Pretty ordinary how some treat a champion of our club. Out of the 16,100 odd players to have played VFL/AFL football, only 95 have played 300. Fair effort from the little fella. Shit players dont play that many IMO.