List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[eaglevision]

I guess the point is if you want to trade up for a specific player, you generally do have to pay overs.

We rightly wouldn't trade 2 for a fair deal.

I agree, and in this draft I think 5,6 is well overs for 2,13.

 

[Barrybran]

It's 2 and 13, not just 2.

And again we wouldn't/shouldn't accept anything other than overs.

The point above is why would Essendon do that. From their side, it would have to be something better than 13 going back.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

The point above is why would Essendon do that. From their side, it would have to be something better than 13 going back.

Because they really want CDT?

That seems to be the whole basis for them wanting 2.

 

[Barrybran]

Because they really want CDT?

That seems to be the whole basis for them wanting 2.

Turn the deal around. Are you giving up 5 + 6 for 2?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Turn the deal around. Are you giving up 5 + 6 for 2?

Why do you keep omitting 13?

And no, because I'm not targeting CDT. It comes down to how much they do want him.

If they don't pay overs we keep 2 and it's all good.

 

[Barrybran]

Why do you keep omitting 13?

And no, because I'm not targeting CDT. It comes down to how much they do want him.

If they don't pay overs we keep 2 and it's all good.

Because 13 doesn't matter. You're not giving up two top-6 picks for a three-pick upgrade. Over is one thing but what people are expecting is fantasy.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Because 13 doesn't matter. You're not giving up two top-6 picks for a three-pick upgrade. Over is one thing but what people are expecting is fantasy.

13 is a first round pick, of course it matters.

Like I said it depends how desperate Essendon are for CDT. We're not motivated to trade 2 unless it's for a highly beneficial deal.

And if CDT ends up a superstar as they must expect if they're willing to trade up to 2, it's a win-win long term.

Anyway. We'll see what happens, happy either way. It's a good position to be in.

 

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[Elite Pete]

Because 13 doesn't matter. You're not giving up two top-6 picks for a three-pick upgrade. Over is one thing but what people are expecting is fantasy.

Clearly pick 13 matters.

There has been a clear top 2 most of the season for the open draft players so that’s a factor. CDT has trained with there afl team and played for their VFL this year so they would have a fair idea what sort of player he is.

By going by Cals rankings the trade would trading for the players ranked
3 + 17
For
9 + 10

Seems more than fair considering.

 

[txbyhull]

Sorry but this is an awful deal. Firstly Essendon already have 2 picks in the 20s for their academy pair so points are irrelevant if they already have that covered , secondly we already have the Saints F2 so another F2, though ok in theory ,is not really addressing our current lack of high end talent, we need more first rounders not an extra 2nd . Thirdly, this trade is specific to a player they are "obsessed with" , if you are obsessed with something and desperate to get it, you pay overs for it. Fourthly we go from 3 first round picks this year to 3 less valuable first round picks this year, in what is considered a shallow draft... there no incentive for West Coast to make that deal. 2 and 34 for 5 and 6.... or we take CDT at pick 2. It is still a win win, we get an extra top ten pick and they get the player they are obsessed with, while still getting their 2 academy lads and not losing any future picks.

It’s not a win win because we end up with CDT /s

 

[ThePuma #9]

List lodgement has come and gone and we are set to hit the draft with 5 list spots.

All this talk of pick 15 from the Bombers is a waste of time. We are looking to trade up pick 13, not add another pick around the same spot FFS. We don't have the list spots.

No one seems to take into account that Tigers are happy to split/ trade pick 4.

It's quite possible if we trade pick 2 with Essendon and they take CDT, the Tigers then take Robey only to then trade out their next pick to someone who takes Sharp before we can.

There are zero assurances the player we would want at 5 would still be available and that's why a premium needs to be paid for any team to trade up and for us to slide down.

If Bombers want a shot at a player in the top cluster (CDT, Robey, Sharp) then they need to cough up otherwise we will very happily take 1 & 2 to the draft and that will be that.

They can pick the best of what's left. I'm fine with that.

 

[Obeanie1]

The point above is why would Essendon do that. From their side, it would have to be something better than 13 going back.

They want pick 2 and picking in the top bracket they pay up.

If not we use 2 or trade it to someone who will.

Essendon are chasing pick 2. We aren't selling unless it's worth it.

It isn't a hard concept to understand.

5 and 6 become 9 and 10.

Pick 2 stays pick 2.

 

[WCE_Phill]

Don't know why we didn't delist Cripps and Barrnett. Then re rookie. Should have 6 spots for draft night

PS. I'd love to death ride Essendon

 

[Obeanie1]

List lodgement has come and gone and we are set to hit the draft with 5 list spots.

All this talk of pick 15 from the Bombers is a waste of time. We are looking to trade up pick 13, not add another pick around the same spot FFS. We don't have the list spots.

No one seems to take into account that Tigers are happy to split/ trade pick 4.

It's quite possible if we trade pick 2 with Essendon and they take CDT, the Tigers then take Robey only to then trade out their next pick to someone who takes Sharp before we can.

There are zero assurances the player we would want at 5 would still be available and that's why a premium needs to be paid for any team to trade up and for us to slide down.

If Bombers want a shot at a player in the top cluster (CDT, Robey, Sharp) then they need to cough up otherwise we will very happily take 1 & 2 to the draft and that will be that.

They can pick the best of what's left. I'm fine with that.

If Sharp is gone then we take Cumming or Grlg.

Same outcome for us. We get a very good balanced mid.

 

[ThePuma #9]

If Sharp is gone then we take Cumming or Grlg.

Same outcome for us. We get a very good balanced mid.

It's not the same outcome though.

If we have Sharp at 2 or 3 on our draft board and trade back with the hopes that he is available at our next pick and he's gone then it's a massive failure and for what? A pick in the 20's that is going to be highly speculative?

Everyone has been saying for months now how weak this draft is, how shallow it is. How in earth is it good list management to have the first choice of talent and to trade it away without any assurances you get the player you're sliding back for for just to get an additional pick in the 20's, especially when you have limited list spots AND you're already trying to trade up one of your later picks.

I'm happy to trade 2 & 13 for 5 & 6 or something along these lines but not for pick 15 as some have proposed.

The risk needs to come with reward.

 

[Coasters7]

Because 13 doesn't matter. You're not giving up two top-6 picks for a three-pick upgrade. Over is one thing but what people are expecting is fantasy.

That is the price of moving up in the top 5 though.

I’m not doing it, but I’m not “obsessed” with a certain player.

It’s also now less about the value of the numbers and more about the players available.

Do the Bombers think a Sharp/Cumming combo is worth less than CDT and Farrow/NHH etc? That’s not unrealistic.

 

[ThePuma #9]

That is the price of moving up in the top 5 though.

I’m not doing it, but I’m not “obsessed” with a certain player.

It’s also now less about the value of the numbers and more about the players available.

Do the Bombers think a Sharp/Cumming combo is worth less than CDT and Farrow/NHH etc? That’s not unrealistic.

That's it in a nutshell.

Who do they prefer? CDT & ???? or the first two selections after Duursma, CDT, Robey & ?????

Our list management team copped a battering after trading out pick 3 last year, the backlash was the most i'd ever seen from Eagles members & supporters during a trade week.

They would know all too well how everyone felt and whilst i'm certain they back themselves in to make whatever decision they think is best for the club i am also confident they would be mindful after a one win season & the loss of Liam Ryan and Oscar Allen they need to sell a bit of hope to the masses.

Splitting another Pick 2 for what could be by the time we select, pick 9 and an extra pick in the 20's would not be seen as successful and would be a very hard sell.

It's not going to happen.

 

[WCErevival]

Don't know why we didn't delist Cripps and Barrnett. Then re rookie. Should have 6 spots for draft night

PS. I'd love to death ride Essendon

Why take 6 players in a rubbish draft.

 

[LewyBroome]

Delisting Livingston might be the first bit of clever work from us, might be a double sway, convince others who want CDT to further convince we are really into him. Oh who am I kidding, I give us too much credit.

 

[rfarlz]

If pick 2 is going to used for Duff-Tytler by whoever is holding it at the time then:

• What do we need to convince us to pass on him given pick 5 gets us a choice from at least one of Robey, Cumming or Sharp depending on who Richmond take with their two picks (3 and 4)
• And what will Essendon be prepared to give up to go the other way to guarantee themselves CDT

In all honesty it’s not a big gap so expectations need to be tempered, however the onus is on Essendon to sway us, not the other way round

Imo, I think the best result for us would be moving pick 13 into the top 10 along with pick 5 or a future pick(s) - pick 5 and their F1 for 2 and our F2 would be good busines for us but Essendon would need to be very keen to offer that

I like the idea of trying to get Essendon's F1, maybe 2+WC F2+StK F2 for 5+Ess F1 might get it done. There's every chance Ess are the spooners next year and that deal lands us Cochrane.

 

[ThePuma #9]

I like the idea of trying to get Essendon's F1, maybe 2+WC F2+StK F2 for 5+Ess F1 might get it done. There's every chance Ess are the spooners next year and that deal lands us Cochrane.

Bombers are not trading out their first round pick next year.

If they do they'll do it next year and it will be traded into the 2027 draft as they have Koby Bewick coming through their ranks.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Why are ppl saying 5 & 6 is a good deal for 2 & 13? It has less value and most of the bids are likely to come before picks 5 & 6 and not beteen them and 13.

The only reason we trade our pick is because we are bluffing on CDT and dont want him so i hope Clarke and co are good poker players in that scenario.

 

[rfarlz]

WTF That’s horrific

Our 27F1 could very well be a better pick than their 26F1, let alone downgrading our 2 to 5. They want CDT so bad it has to be a clear overpay

At the end of 2025 they could very well go on a recruiting spree like St Kilda, knowing full well they’ve given away their F1

It's a bit late for the end of '25 recruiting spree unless they want a whole load of DFAs

 

[rfarlz]

Why are ppl saying 5 & 6 is a good deal for 2 & 13? It has less value and most of the bids are likely to come before picks 5 & 6 and not beteen them and 13.

The only reason we trade our pick is because we are bluffing on CDT and dont want him so i hope Clarke and co are good poker players in that scenario.

Every draft is different and has different sweet spots. 5 and 6 would let us take two players who are very close in quality to the player at pick 2, whereas pick 13 is going to be a tier below those players. It doesn't matter where the bids are, those will be players we were never going to have access too anyway, the value of the picks to everyone else is the same regardless of where the matched bids are.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

If Sharp is gone then we take Cumming or Grlg.

Same outcome for us. We get a very good balanced mid.

Im.not as big in Grjl as other people. His year doesnt justify a top 10 pick, just his arhletic abilities, bit like CDT. Being picked on rheir ceiling. In my opininion, he should be rated 14 to 20.