List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[ziad]

Of course the jury’s still out, it was an even draft last year. If one or both of Allan and Gross turn out to be good-great players the trades fine.

So thats true but not a promising start

 

[Proeagle]

We need McCarthy where he plays best, delivering the ball out of our backline. Heres a novel idea, how about we leave the very good defenders where they are and just bring in some better midfielders to play in the midfield

McCarthy could be an elite mid but we won't know until we give him some time. Winger would also be a good spot for Mccarthy. We all agree our mids suck but it is also a major weakness in our team that we have no decent wingers atm.

 

[Shueygod]

So that true but not a promising start

Not sure, one of the blokes we got from the trade won our B&F and the bloke at 3 was injured the whole season.

Seems like 1-0 eagles to me

 

[kranky al]

Yet we won more flags than most.

Dont get access to gun academy mids.

Havent been lucky to land gun father son since Cousins.

And havent held too many top 5 picks to use on mids, Naitanui and Gaff.

Jury is out on our recent pick splits.

Don’t think highly of waterman?

Gaff was a winger

Plenty of gun mids taken at 30 - just not by us

 

[Godfather32]

Well considering thats 5 drafts and trade periods away Im sure we will find at least one more A grade mid over all those drafts and trade periods.

Now you throw in "Harley wont be here" just shows a lack of positive forward thinking. If nothing works and Harley leaves and we dont draft any decent mids over the next 5 years then yes. You are correct. We will have the worst midfield in the comp.

Presume you assume every other teams midfields play forever and every other side drafts the best mids and we dont even with top 5 picks.

Do you even read the posts and threads you're responding to or do you just go off like a kid having a tantrum at vaguest thing you don't like.
Look at the context of my post and the posts I was replying to. I didn't say Harley won't be here...I said Harley won't be here if we are playing with the midfield Stallon proposed, because it's a f**king awful midfield and we'll probably still be losing more games than we win.
Of course we're going to add midfielders to our list, because we really need some more midfield talent. It's literally the whole point of my last 10 posts, arguing with two numpties that we don't in fact already have enough midfield talent on our list to be a finals and hopefully a premiership contender and that we still need to bring in better players in that area.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

I think the real meaningful midfield improvement in 2026 is going to come from;

- A huge development year last year for the younger cohort, giving them a springboard for more rapid improvement

- Tom McCarthy moving to the midfield (expect him to blow the socks off a few on this board)

- The arrival of some mature midfield depth in the form of Dev, Finlay and whoever else we sign on as extra rookies

The final point in particular is an important one, and overlooked. I mentioned in a post earlier that midfield improvement can often come from the unlikeliest of places. People write the rookie aspect of next year off, as delistees rarely go on to make an impact elsewhere. I'd like to remind you all of Ned Long's meteoric rise for Collingwood this season. Delisted by the Hawks, where he was given very little opportunity. Dev fits this profile to a tee, as does Macrae. 47 and 21 games respectively. Both would have a chip on their shoulder and a point to prove. Both have had dominant performances in the VFL. And these are just the two players we are currently aware are coming (Finlay yet to be confirmed by the club but looking likely). I don't think it's too much of a stretch to expect that we land a longer term player from our extra rookie spots. Nobody thought much of Tom McCarthy before he arrived and now he's one of our most exciting players.

Personally, I believe that all of the points I've mentioned here are more likely to make an improvement in our midfield than a first year draftee. Just something for people to consider.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

I’m surprised Farrow is so far down everyone’s list even for pick 13

Managed to accumulate a lot of the ball in the wafl stints, great kick and top 10 in agility.

He played a lot of mid time and was probably hurt by the WA team being pretty poor

I think he has a higher ceiling than Sharp due to the athletism. Dawson and Hayden Young started as tall penetrating kicking half backs and are now A grade mids.

Plus no 18 year old will come in and be a starting inside mid.

Would be elite If we came out the draft with:
Duursma
CDT
Farrow

Careful mate, thems fightin' words round these parts.

That said, I wouldn't be unhappy with that outcome either. As Keys mentioned, hard to be upset about the two top rated prospects and the top WA prospect.

 

[amazingjoshy]

I’m surprised Farrow is so far down everyone’s list even for pick 13

Managed to accumulate a lot of the ball in the wafl stints, great kick and top 10 in agility.

He played a lot of mid time and was probably hurt by the WA team being pretty poor

I think he has a higher ceiling than Sharp due to the athletism. Dawson and Hayden Young started as tall penetrating kicking half backs and are now A grade mids.

Plus no 18 year old will come in and be a starting inside mid.

Would be elite If we came out the draft with:
Duursma
CDT
Farrow

Agreed. I like the look of Farrow too (granted only seen highlight clips). Wouldn't be disappointed at all

 

[stallon]

13 for St Kildas first?! Could very well be swapping 13 for something like 13 with a year of development lost. We can’t keep kicking the can down the road

better draft next year though.
Pick 13 next year is worth more

 

[stallon]

Maric showed zero defensive skills. Sure he had a few decent goal kickouts but needs to improve a lot as far as I am concerned to be considered a defender. And when looking at our team, I wouldnt have him as a starting defender.
Hough, Edwards, Ginbey, then Starc, Young, Baker/Yeo are easily our best defensive lineup.

Dewar had some good games on the wing and went missing a few times but I want to see him persevered with on the wing for a bit longer. We dropped him pretty quickly. McCarthy would make a great winger but I hope we try him more in the middle. Failing that next year, McCarthy would obviously be a great HB. Duursma in his first year would be HF or HB occasionally and hopefully a few minutes in the middle.

Well between Allan, Maric, Dewar and Duursma we will have wings and half back covered if we want. Mix and match them as you see fit, I just dont want to say that Maric or Dewar can never be defenders because its way too early to say.
Bazzo and Young are also decent kicks that can help cover the gap of McCarthy staying in the middle.

There is enough kicking prowess and transition from those guys that we can afford to put McCarthy in his best role - the middle

 

[WCEswift]

Robey is more of a lalor imo, i really dont want cdt. hes a tall utility, we already have that with duursma

 

[ziad]

Not sure, one of the blokes we got from the trade won our B&F and the bloke at 3 was injured the whole season.

Seems like 1-0 eagles to me

The comment related to Allan and Gross

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Well between Allan, Maric, Dewar and Duursma we will have wings and half back covered if we want. Mix and match them as you see fit, I just dont want to say that Maric or Dewar can never be defenders because its way too early to say.
Bazzo and Young are also decent kicks that can help cover the gap of McCarthy staying in the middle.

There is enough kicking prowess and transition from those guys that we can afford to put McCarthy in his best role - the middle

And, and it's a big if, IF we start winning some contest and clearances at the stoppages, the ball won't spend as much time in our defensive 50. This is when the likes of Tmac will push more into the middle.

Duursma Allen off half back and potentially up the wing.

I see Maric Dewar Davis as wings and don't like any of them in defense. Williams and Banfield coming in bolster that too.

 

[Proeagle]

Robey is more of a lalor imo, i really dont want cdt. hes a tall utility, we already have that with duursma

Robey is more of a Yeo type. If we chose him I would be excited. But I wont be upset if we chose the safer Sharp or the obvious CDT that could be anything. I really want us to address the midfield regardless.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Fact is, for the vast majority of the list we really don't know what we have yet.

Some posters here like to make bold statements about the ability/ceiling of players like Hewett, Allan, Dewar, Brockman, Hough, Maric, Hall and so on.

I don't even think the coaches would be 100% confident in making calls on what these players can become and where they play their best footy, yet we have so many here who think they can see the future and are better positioned to make definitive statements than the people who spend every day mentoring them.

I feel the reason for all the anxiety around here regarding where the list is headed, is down to the fact that its largely a developing list and there are just so many unknowns...particularly with our midfield. With a little more time and further development, we will know more but I think its important not to fall into the trap of dismissing what we have and wanting to keep piling mids on mids until we've overcorrected.

We have Duursma (outside leaning who we would hope transitions inside too), Banfield (balanced) and Evans (inside/fwd) who are near certanties to join our midfield next year. We also have Dev and 3 more extra rookie spots to fill, likely at least one more mid from those 3 spots too. ON TOP of who we already have developing. McCarthy as a midfielder next year. There are only so many spots to fill in the middle.

I can see why the club would be wanting to take the two best talents in this draft with one & two, instead of reaching for another inside mid. Now having said that, if we do end up taking Sharp the club clearly rates him and I trust them to make the right call. I will trust them if they don't take him too.

Just remember though, we don't know what we have yet. Maybe pumping the breaks and taking a breath is the best thing for now.

 

[ArdentEagle]

How do you see us achieving this?

Well, I did achieve this...On board mock draft. That's one way of doing it.

Those that get paid should be able to be very creative.

 

[CountryLad]

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[Shueygod]

The comment related to Allan and Gross

Allan and Gross showed better signs than pick 3 last year

 

[CountryLad]

ROFL. Would love to know how you came up with these figures. I’m guessing from somewhere the sun don’t usually shine.

Hewitt is sh1t 50% of the time every time.

 

[CountryLad]

Are we drafting Hewett?

It’s Hewitt… um spelling please.

 

[Proeagle]

It’s Hewitt… um spelling please.

What google are you looking at. Elijah Hewett​

 

[CountryLad]

What google are you looking at. Elijah Hewett​

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Apologises i thought we were drafting Lleyton. That Cody Curtain bloke looks alright though.

 

[Keys]

Careful mate, thems fightin' words round these parts.

That said, I wouldn't be unhappy with that outcome either. As Keys mentioned, hard to be upset about the two top rated prospects and the top WA prospect.

I note that in some more recent media reports, Farrow has been linked to Melbourne quite strongly and even to Essendon as a possibility in at least one article I read

So he might not even be at pick 9 if we get it off Carlton

Similar thing happened with Bo Allan closer to the draftlast year with suggestions Richmond might consider him with one of their picks before ours as well as Melbourne. Obviously that didn’t eventuate though

Farrow’s ladder is being matched by Schubert’s snake who is sliding down the predicted draft board- past our pick 13 as Hawthorn and GWS aren’t believed to be looking at a KPF

Conceivably we could take Sharp (or Cumming) and Schubert after Duursma without needing to trade up which makes for an interesting comparison with CDT and Farrow which likely would require as to trade up to get Farrow

Massey and his team must have quite the collection of white boards running at the moment with all the permutations they’d need to keeping up with

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

I note that in some more recent media reports, Farrow has been linked to Melbourne quite strongly and even to Essendon as a possibility in at least one article I read

So he might not even be at pick 9 if we get it off Carlton

Similar thing happened with Bo Allan closer to the draftlast year with suggestions Richmond might consider him with one of their picks before ours as well as Melbourne. Obviously that didn’t eventuate though

Farrow’s ladder is being matched by Schubert’s snake who is sliding down the predicted draft board- past our pick 13 as Hawthorn and GWS aren’t believed to be looking at a KPF

Conceivably we could take Sharp (or Cumming) and Schubert after Duursma without needing to trade up which makes for an interesting comparison with CDT and Farrow which likely would require as to trade up to get Farrow

Massey and his team must have quite the collection of white boards running at the moment with all the permutations they’d need to keeping up with

Few jaws would be on the floorr if Farrow went above Sharp. Stranger things have happened. We won't know until we know, can't wait to find out.

 

[CountryLad]

Few jaws would be on the floorr if Farrow went above Sharp. Stranger things have happened. We won't know until we know, can't wait to find out.

Would be pretty funny.