List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[dinnaz]

A month ago Dylan, one of the hosts on True Footy who is a massive nerd when it comes to the draft said Duursma would've been drafted somewhere after Harvey Langford if he was in last years draft, as how 'weak' this years draft is.

This thing isn't an exact science, and neither of these opinions are right or wrong, but when I watched that ESPN draft thing yesterday and Jasper said Duursma would've gone number 1 last year I was like huh?

Id have him #1 over the last 2 years easily

 

[bs9594]

Where's this from? Member email

Up on the clubs instagram story, “join for the inside scoop”

 

[bzparkes]

Id have him #1 over the last 2 years easily

As in this year and last year, right?

 

[WCEConnor23]

Is our interest in Dean to exhaust points so they can’t match a bid on Jack Ison. He looks pretty good

I've not seen anything of him. It's possible though, we're definitely chasing a mid.

 

[Keys]

Seems quite possible that Carlton retain picks 9 and 11, take the hit on matching a Dean bid and collect the late R1 pick that goes back to them

Now, assuming the 3 northern academy kids are bid on first, Carlton’s 9 and 11 become 12 and 14 a total of 2164 points

A bid at pick -
• 2 equals pick 51 going back
• 3 equals pick 42 going back
• 4 equals pick 33 going back (44)
• 5 equals pick 27 going back (36)
• 6 equals pick 23 going back (30)
• 7 equals pick 20 going back (27)
• 8 equals pick 18 going back (24)
• 9 equals pick 16 going back which would be in front of our pick

So we want a bid on Dean to be, at the latest, pick 8 which would be Essendon’s first pick.

That way our pick 13 would mean the 11th pick from the open pool

Now if Carlton traded back from 9 to 13 I’ve put the pick they’d get back instead in brackets - if a bid is made by Essendon with their first pick they get 24 back which is better than the 42 or 51 they get back if we lodge an early bid before or after Uwland

Assuming all of Robey, Taylor, Cumming and Farrow go to one of Richmond, Essendon or Melbourne

At Carlton’s pick 9, at least two of
• Sharp
• Grlj
• Dovaston
• Lindsay
would still be available maybe more if Nairn and/or Schubert get drafted earlier

Without the trade all 4 of those might be gone depending on who Hawthorn and GWS pick

The next best options for us would then be from -
• O Taylor
• Hibbins-Hargreaves
• Barker
• Pickett (if we want to take a punt on him emulating his cousins rise from relative draft obscurity to a R1 pick)
• Addinsall (if we want to have a throw at the stumps in case Gold Coast don’t match)

Unfortunately, we’re having to guess who we might take with our third pick, or are even interested in, since there’s very little intel coming out about who are targets are. Meanwhile, GWS and Hawthorn (to a lesser extent) are being linked to what seems like anybody and everybody

 

[Peptide Pig]

Sharp-CDT-Sharp-CDT-Split-CDT-Sharp-CDT-Sharp-Split-CDT-Sharp ect ect and so on and so forth

Cool. So still no mention of Robey? Standard

 

[EagleMan87]

Delisted crow Harry Schoenberg coming your way- rejected a date from a friend of mine because he's "moving to Perth pretty soon"

'Cromulent' is a fantastic handle for a Crow's fan

 

[Doashuey]

Seems quite possible that Carlton retain picks 9 and 11, take the hit on matching a Dean bid and collect the late R1 pick that goes back to them

Now, assuming the 3 northern academy kids are bid on first, Carlton’s 9 and 11 become 12 and 14 a total of 2164 points

A bid at pick -
• 2 equals pick 51 going back
• 3 equals pick 42 going back
• 4 equals pick 33 going back (44)
• 5 equals pick 27 going back (36)
• 6 equals pick 23 going back (30)
• 7 equals pick 20 going back (27)
• 8 equals pick 18 going back (24)
• 9 equals pick 16 going back which would be in front of our pick

So we want a bid on Dean to be, at the latest, pick 8 which would be Essendon’s first pick.

That way our pick 13 would mean the 11th pick from the open pool

Now if Carlton traded back from 9 to 13 I’ve put the pick they’d get back instead in brackets - if a bid is made by Essendon with their first pick they get 24 back which is better than the 42 or 51 they get back if we lodge an early bid before or after Uwland

Assuming all of Robey, Taylor, Cumming and Farrow go to one of Richmond, Essendon or Melbourne

At Carlton’s pick 9, at least two of
• Sharp
• Grlj
• Dovaston
• Lindsay
would still be available maybe more if Nairn and/or Schubert get drafted earlier

Without the trade all 4 of those might be gone depending on who Hawthorn and GWS pick

The next best options for us would then be from -
• O Taylor
• Hibbins-Hargreaves
• Barker
• Pickett (if we want to take a punt on him emulating his cousins rise from relative draft obscurity to a R1 pick)
• Addinsall (if we want to have a throw at the stumps in case Gold Coast don’t match)

Unfortunately, we’re having to guess who we might take with our third pick, or are even interested in, since there’s very little intel coming out about who are targets are. Meanwhile, GWS and Hawthorn (to a lesser extent) are being linked to what seems like anybody and everybody

If Im understanding correctly, I think your calcs will be out for picks 2,3 and 4. If you have worked on the assumption the 3 academy kids are bid on at 2,3,4 to work out the points that Carlton hold with 12 and 14 (2164) then we cant bid on Dean at those picks. For those to work, you would need to work out the points Carlton hold with 9 and 11 for a bid at pick 2, 10 and 12 for a bid at 3 and 11 and 13 for a bid at 4.

 

[Keys]

With the news that we are likely to, or will be, adding Macrae as a SSP signing along with Robertson that brings our available list spots down to 8 - 5 main, 2 Cat A and 1 Cat B. Likely to be filled by -
• 3x R1 picks - Duursma, CDT and one other TBA
• 1x Cat B rookie - Evans if he isn’t bid on, Walley if he isn’t
• 1 spot left open for a train on selection - possibly Schoenberg based on his apparent recent dating history but would really like us to consider Tom Mitchell
• A combination of 3 from the following options:
- a R2 selection
- Williams (matched bid)
- Banfield (matched bid)
- Evans (matched bid)
- Rookie draft pick 1
(One of these selections needs to be a KPP or Ruck imo)

 

[Peptide Pig]

Played 22 in his second season (including a Rising Star nomination), then 5 in his last two. Still only 24. I guess we could do worse, not like we have a lot of star players wanting to come here.

Might be like Trey Ruscoe where he was guaranteed a Beagles spot and could push for MSD if he doesn’t make the cut as an SSP rookie. IMO there are better options than Schoenberg for our rookies spots but good luck to him.

 

[Choogler]

The hype on Williams seems purely to do with the combine. We already have a small fast agile kid in Champion , do we really need another ?

From the highlight reel he looks a real class above Champion.

 

[Jukes]

With it seemingly likely that Carlton keep Pick 9 and Farrow off the board by our Pick 13, I can see us “reaching” for a needs based pick.

Pickett, Thredgold or Addinsall would be great options for us here. They all fill a gaping hole and Pickett especially is ready to go Round 1.

Doesn’t matter where they are currently ranked by the media, given how even it is in this range, we need to be considered in our approach for the pick.

 

[Monocle]

My mates son plays footy with CDT, reckons he’s well loved around the club and his team mates love him. Has a very good character from what he told me so that’s a plus I guess.



KOLOKOTRONIS

I don’t think there have EVER been any knock on here about CDT’s character and ability.
He is a terrific young kid, that any Club would be happy to have on their list.

The only conjecture here has been, just where does he play and how does picking him affect and impact our total draft hand.

We have Dev and Fin as retread mids, some are happy with that most others not so much.

I digress - back on topic - CDT is a kid that from a character perspective ticks the boxes with a 10/10.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Very pleased to hear we've been giving some consideration to Addinsall.

To me, that says we're looking very closely at Sharp (most likely with our third pick) and we may look at Addinsall as the backup if we miss Sharp.

In my view, he's the best backup plan.

 

[NSLK]

'Cromulent' is a fantastic handle for a Crow's fan

Perfect

 

[PRANKSTER666]

The only conjecture here has been, just where does he play and how does picking him affect and impact our total draft hand.

I think the only reason he gets picked that early is that clubs think that a) the modern day mobile ruck rover, ala TDK, Jackson etc is the way forward and b) he can be that player or he wouldn't be taken so high.

Personally, given his athletic profile, not having to juggle two sports at the elite level and being in a professional environment where he can hone his ruck craft to a decent level I think he is worth the gamble, the fall back position being that I still think he can be a quality CHF/Ruck.

 

[Coasters7]

I doubt it. If you bid that means you have used your pick until that bid is matched and you are reallocated the next in line.
Any trade would have to come prior to bidding.

If we bid on Dean at 2 can we trade other picks with Carlton during the matching process?

ie. bid on Dean at 2 then hop on the phone and ask them whether they want to lose 9 for nothing or slide back to 13 and pick up another pick.

 

[Goomba1973]

From the highlight reel he looks a real class above Champion.

I'm not seeing that much of a difference. Not enough to think about matching an early bid at least

 

[Peptide Pig]

Insights from Twomey's latest phantom form guide.

Top end:
Open draft top 8 locks are Duursma, CDT, Robey, Taylor, and almost definitely Cumming...
But not Sharp who was even linked to our Pick #13 if he gets past Essendon and Hawthorn (crucially, Melbourne not mentioned), nor Grlj who was linked to GWS. Schubert a chance to go into the 20s if Bombers don't snap him up. Farrow not linked to us directly but has interest from Bombers, Dees, Hawks, and Giants so sliding to our third pick very unlikely unless we trade up to #9.

Dyson fan boys who want him at pick 2 getting ready to read every form guide

And then proclaiming ‘It’s not a real phantom draft so it doesn’t count!’

 

[plays tall 1]

Davo-27 telling it how it is

How Dyson Sharp isn't consensus number 1 pick after seeing most of the champs is criminal, this would be like having N Daicos not in the top 3, oh wait he went pick 4 and some so called experts supported that at the time, I take 1 season off and the media shit the bed...

 

[FootyOutlier]

If Eagles are going Duursma and then CDT with the knowing fact that Sharp could slide to 13 (Or try Addinsall) - That would be worth it.

I still want, Duursma, Robey and then who ever the slider at 13 is.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Listened to the ESPN draft show throughout yesterday. I think its Japser Chellapah who really talks up Duursma. Says he reckons he'd go pick 1 including last years crop

Not sure we're excited enough about Duursma on here tbh

I have been thinking about this, as I'm very excited about WD the prospect. In all my years of draft watching, he's the only one that has transformed popular opinion about him from negative to extremely positive, including my own opinion. I've seen plenty go the other way, coming into the year I've been massive on them and they've drifted to not that excited about them.

He's the only one I can recall going from 'soft outside Cale Morton' to actually this guy is a gun and potentially a future star. I'm very excited about getting him.

If I go back to my list from last year, I'd have Lalor, Jagga, Murph Reid ahead of him and Draper on par.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Getting NicNat in as the ruck coach with CDT being drafted makes a load of sense.

A coach who had very low endurance but a massive leap coaching CDT with elite speed and endurance but poor ruck craft.

I am believing we are taking CDT and only hope we go for a mid at 13

 

[FKASC]

Getting NicNat in as the ruck coach with CDT being drafted makes a load of sense.

A coach who had very low endurance but a massive leap coaching CDT with elite speed and endurance but poor ruck craft.

I am believing we are taking CDT and only hope we go for a mid at 13

Wouldn’t be surprised at all if we go for another tall at 13 given how many we have lost recently (and our love of talls)

Will be a lot of melting but it’s pretty plausible

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

On the seventh day from draft night my true love gave to me
7 shirtless Devs
6 delisted free agents
5 ngas
A 4th farkn Duursma
3 no name train ons
2 turtle doves
….and this big mobile guy that’s really quite good but we are still slightly unsure where he’ll end up position wise CDT

Gee that's not a bad haul. All I got was drunk, a pair of socks and a box of Favourites.